With $84bn in remittances and 18 million, India has the world's largest diaspora population

[313ghazi]

Most Indians abroad are lower castes and religious minorities escaping prosecution. Its always the dark short skinny ones.

 

[Zapper]

That is true that in western countries the wages are higher, however you have to keep in mind that the taxes in those countries is also quite high, while taxes in the gulf countries are almost negligible.

Well 90% of South Asians working in Gulf are into menial/labour jobs with very little pay while those is western countries or even South East Asia where you can see a ton of South Indians are into relatively higher paying jobs making the remittance per person go up in our case

Having spent most of my life outside Pakistan I can confidently say i've never met a single Pakistani who claimed to be an Indian. Having said that I've come across a few Pakistani's who did claim to be Afghan, Mexican, Turkish, Italian, etc.

Haha...so you must've never been to US during the OBL saga. My relative's restaurant had a couple of pakistani students working there who had to project themselves as Indians muslims

Even pakistani owned entities like grocery shops and restaurants having Indian employees...the owners had to leave the store's operations completely to their workers

and are you expecting y'all look remotely close to Turks, Italians or Mexicans...you gotta be kidding yourself

 

[PakShaheen79]

We just have to wait and see. With effects of Corona waning, your trade deficits are going through the roof which until yesterday was credited as Imran's doing.

This is the problem. Trade deficit is one of the measures in economy, it is not complete economy. Despite 26-28 billion trade deficit, over all current account is surplus after 11 years. It was 2011, when Pakistan posted 200+ million USD surplus in current accounts. In 2020-21, it's 800+ million USD. Another change this time around is increase in export; not much but still the trend is upward. This is why PKR has recovered some 11%. It was once 169/USD, now trading at 154/USD. But I agree with you, these vital signs of recovery are still v weak, we will have to wait and see if they can be translated into a sustainable model.

 

[Protest_again]

This is the problem. Trade deficit is one of the measures in economy, it is not complete economy. Despite 26-28 billion trade deficit, over all current account is surplus after 11 years. It was 2011, when Pakistan posted 200+ million USD surplus in current accounts. In 2020-21, it's 800+ million USD. Another change this time around is increase in export; not much but still the trend is upward. This is why PKR has recovered some 11%. It was once 169/USD, now trading at 154/USD. But I agree with you, these vital signs of recovery are still v weak, we will have to wait and see if they can be translated into a sustainable model.

It's only because the trade deficit has narrowed because of corona. Imran instead of accumulating forex, let the rupee appreciate so the inflation in Pakistan can be controlled. This was a necessary measure because he kept the bank rate lower than inflation which means effective interest rates are in negative. He needed to minimize the fallout. Thats all.

Now that global economy is back on track. Trade deficit will go back to normal. The early signs are already there in the past 2 months trade data.

Only saving grace for him is remittances. Even exports of last month came short of $2 billion. Anyways, we can wait and see how it turns out. All the best.

 

[waz]

while this number is expected to double by the end of this decade while some countries are delusional that ummah chummah will lift em up

Not according to your population stats, you are growing older, at least 7-10 older than Pakistan, and having less kids. With also a crazy skewed sex ratio, among the very the worst in the world.

No way can an expat population also grow that large and with strict immigration rules applied, mainly to stop the large flow of Indian workers (see Singapore, Australia) that population will grow very modestly.

 

[PakShaheen79]

It's only because the trade deficit has narrowed because of corona. Imran instead of accumulating forex, let the rupee appreciate so the inflation in Pakistan can be controlled. This was a necessary measure because he kept the bank rate lower than inflation which means effective interest rates are in negative. He needed to minimize the fallout. Thats all.

Now that global economy is back on track. Trade deficit will go back to normal. The early signs are already there in the past 2 months trade data.

Only saving grace for him is remittances. Even exports of last month came short of $2 billion. Anyways, we can wait and see how it turns out. All the best.

And in Pakistan, everyone is thinking that SBP will be controlled by IMF now & dollar will soar further.lolz. Actually, the impact of low export figure of May 21 is showing its impact. 1 USD was around 152 PKR in March-April now it's around 155 PKR. As far global economy coming back on track is concerned, it's not a bad news. More businesses means more demand of everything, more opportunities. Exports of only May 21 was below 2 billion USD, but guess what, overall year on year basis, export still grew around 14%. Problem is a sudden inflow of imports (surpassing 5 billion USD in May 21). In April 21, exports were around 2.2 billion USD. As per govt. Eid holidays and 3rd wave of COVID-19 have contributed this dip in growth.
https://www.pbs.gov.pk/sites/defaul...nal_trade/2021/June-2021/summary_may_2021.pdf
But as per my understanding, real issue is growing import bill including eatables like wheat and sugar despite having good crops locally. Cartelization, hoarding and smuggling are two big issues.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The irony when your pathetic lot was also under the same british rule and were treated the same...I wonder what makes you think you're even remotely superior

Even your elite is still being treated the same

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How does receiving aid remotely constitute to being broken...even some of the most advanced economies receive relief aid during times of crisis or natural disasters

When did some of the most advanced economies receive aid from Kenya and other sub-saharn African nations?

 

[Zapper]

Not according to your population stats, you are growing older, at least 7-10 older than Pakistan, and having less kids. With also a crazy skewed sex ratio, among the very the worst in the world.

No way can an expat population also grow that large and with strict immigration rules applied, mainly to stop the large flow of Indian workers (see Singapore, Australia) that population will grow very modestly.

"India, it is projected, will secure global demographic primacy by 2050. The population of India is expected to increase by more than 400 million from 2010 to 2050, to 1.6 billion. Meanwhile, the population of China may increase by only 25 million, remaining at about 1.4 billion. The U.S. is projected to add 89 million residents by 2050. However, the U.S. is likely to be displaced by Nigeria as the third most populous country. In 2050, India alone may be home to nearly as many people as China and the U.S. combined"

" Countries in Asia and the Middle East are also turning gray rapidly. The median age should increase by 16 years in South Korea, from 38 in 2010 to 53 in 2050.24 Double-digit increases are also expected in India, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Egypt and Turkey. The median age in China, Iran and Turkey is younger than the U.S. at the moment but should become older by 2050. "

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/...-in-the-u-s-and-other-countries-2010-to-2050/

The median age of India in 2030 is around 30 years which is the right working age where one could attain decent work experience as well. This would only result in more folks migrating abroad for work opportunities.

When it comes to kids, most Indian couples are opting for 2 kids except for those in the hindi belt (irrespective of religion) which helps keeping our population explosion in check, otherwise putting a strain on our resources

You guys are almost on par with us when it comes to sex ration
India: 108M to 100F
Pak: 106M to 100F

https://statisticstimes.com/demographics/countries-by-sex-ratio.php

 

[waz]

"India, it is projected, will secure global demographic primacy by 2050. The population of India is expected to increase by more than 400 million from 2010 to 2050, to 1.6 billion. Meanwhile, the population of China may increase by only 25 million, remaining at about 1.4 billion. The U.S. is projected to add 89 million residents by 2050. However, the U.S. is likely to be displaced by Nigeria as the third most populous country. In 2050, India alone may be home to nearly as many people as China and the U.S. combined"

" Countries in Asia and the Middle East are also turning gray rapidly. The median age should increase by 16 years in South Korea, from 38 in 2010 to 53 in 2050.24 Double-digit increases are also expected in India, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Egypt and Turkey. The median age in China, Iran and Turkey is younger than the U.S. at the moment but should become older by 2050. "

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/...-in-the-u-s-and-other-countries-2010-to-2050/

The median age of India in 2030 is around 30 years which is the right working age where one could attain decent work experience as well. This would only result in more folks migrating abroad for work opportunities.

When it comes to kids, most Indian couples are opting for 2 kids except for those in the hindi belt (irrespective of religion) which helps keeping our population explosion in check, otherwise putting a strain on our resources

You guys are almost on par with us when it comes to sex ration
India: 108M to 100F
Pak: 106M to 100F

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https://statisticstimes.com/demographics/countries-by-sex-ratio.php

Projected .
30 is way too old for a developing nation.

Turning grey | D+C - Development + Cooperation

India’s population is still growing, but by mid-century, those of working age will start to be outnumbered by people over 60 and children under 15. Government and civil society should plan now how to improve social services for the elderly population.

www.dandc.eu

Our sex ratio is skewed due to having no female headcounters for the census. Females were under counted by the millions in conservative areas. There’s a thread I put up about it with London School of Economics research underpinning it.
We don’t abort millions of female children which happens in India due to cultural trends.




Among the provinces, the highest sex ratio is in Balochistan (110) and the Islamabad Capital Territory (111). Punjab (103) witnesses the largest improvement in this regard. Some of the reasons cited for the gender imbalance include a lack of transparency in more socially conservative areas such as Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP), and Balochistan, where data on female members of households is not openly shared. This means that many women may have been uncounted.

What explains the gap?

Apparently, no female enumerators were hired even in the most conservative regions where the census was conducted. This must have not only affected estimates of the sex ratio, but also violated the instructions of Pakistan Bureau of Statistics (PBS), which stipulate that women would be appointed as enumerators and supervisors for the census.

Social scientists are also beginning to detect a trend of sex-selective practices at birth in Pakistan. This is not to say that the practice of sex selection is widespread, although female infanticide, despite having declined in recent years, remains common. A deep-rooted preference for sons over daughters is pervasive in Pakistan, as is in India (though not with the same intensity).

Pakistan’s missing women

Pakistan’s census findings need to be better understood to enable adequate policy responses to the “missing women” problem. The inverse sex ratio is both endemic and cyclical, mostly perpetuated by…

blogs.lse.ac.uk

Now take into account Pakistan’s high fertility rate which couldn’t be supported with such a skewed sex ratio....The women haven’t been counted.

 

[Zapper]

Projected .
30 is way too old for a developing nation.

Turning grey | D+C - Development + Cooperation

India’s population is still growing, but by mid-century, those of working age will start to be outnumbered by people over 60 and children under 15. Government and civil society should plan now how to improve social services for the elderly population.

www.dandc.eu

Ofcourse anything in the future is projected. For instance, the median age in 2050 is as follows

India - 37
China - 46
Pak - 34

So it reflects that every country is massively aging and there isn't really a huge gap between India & Pak

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/...-in-the-u-s-and-other-countries-2010-to-2050/

Our sex ratio is skewed due to having no female headcounters for the census. Females were under counted by the millions in conservative areas. There’s a thread I put up about it with London School of Economics research underpinning it.

Why do you think it is any different for India? There is massive undercounting in terms of census reporting. The rural areas and dense jungles of Central India, remote regions of the North East etc are most probably not accounted for

Missing millions
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31929670/

We don’t abort millions of female children which happens in India due to cultural trends.

That is a thing of the past with the exception of some rural areas in UP. Most couples these days are embracing the two child policy which is exactly why population explosion started stabilizing, particularly in urban and semi-urban regions...even if both children are girls, they aren't even trying for another

 

[waz]

Ofcourse anything in the future is projected. For instance, the median age in 2050 is as follows

India - 37
China - 46
Pak - 34

So it reflects that every country is massively aging and there isn't really a huge gap between India & Pak

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/...-in-the-u-s-and-other-countries-2010-to-2050/

Still using estimates, basically shooting in the dark...I gave you raw figures regarding how incredibly high the median age of your population is for a developing country and you replied with estimates in 2050, 39 years down the line. Here's an estimate Pakistan's median age will be 25. There's way too many variables to make estimates like that with decades yet to come, even if its based off historical data.

Why do you think it is any different for India? There is massive undercounting in terms of census reporting. The rural areas and dense jungles of Central India, remote regions of the North East etc are most probably not accounted for

Missing millions
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31929670/

Of course it's different for India as I'm talking about a cultural trend firmly entrenched within society. Finding millions more in remote regions would probably reveal worse or just as bad sex ratios. The practice is more frequent with poorer populations who rely on a coveted son to be the main bread winner.
You named central India, ok let's look;

Madhya Pradesh 919 Very poor ratio with a large population of 60 million.
Chhattisgarh 989 decent ratio but with a much smaller population of 20 million


North East;

Arunachal Pradesh 893 terrible ratio.
Assam 935 poor ratio
Manipur 978 good
Meghalaya 972
Mizoram 935 poor ratio
Nagaland 900 terrible ratio
Tripura 948 satisfactory somewhat
Sikkim 875 horrible ratio

Census of India: T 00-003: Population by sex and sex ratio

Just like I stated even with the regions you stated the sex ratios are majority poor to awful. It is outlandish to make a claim that missing millions would suddenly produce so many more girls, considering these very states have very poor sex ratios.

That is a thing of the past with the exception of some rural areas in UP. Most couples these days are embracing the two child policy which is exactly why population explosion started stabilizing, particularly in urban and semi-urban regions...even if both children are girls, they aren't even trying for another

No it's a "thing of the past" where did you get this from? This practice is is ongoing and as strong as ever and not just limited to UP.
Here is a recent study;


NEW DELHI: An estimated 6.8 million fewer female births will be recorded across India by 2030 due to sex-selective abortions, according to a study that projects the highest deficits in the birth of girls will occur in Uttar Pradesh.
Researchers from King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST), Saudi Arabia, and Universite de Paris, France, noted that there has been a reported imbalance in India in the sex ratio at birth (SRB) since the 1970s due to the emergence of prenatal sex selection and the cultural preference for male babies.
Unlike other countries affected by such imbalances, India is unique in its regional diversity of sex ratio imbalance, they said.
Previous projections of sex ratio at birth in India have been constructed at the national level or were based primarily on expert opinion rather than reproducible modelling.
In the latest study, published in the journal PLOS ONE, researchers projected the SRB in the largest 29 Indian States and Union Territories (UTs), which covered 98.4 per cent of the total population of India as of the year 2011.
Among the 21 Indian States or UTs with high-quality birth data, 17 showed a positive effective of son preference on the SRB, with the highest SRBs concentrated in the most northwestern States or UTs, the resaerchers said.
The team found that, in particular, the effect of son preference is statistically significant in nine States or UTs.
"We project that the highest deficits in female births will occur in Uttar Pradesh, with a cumulative number of missing female births of 2 million from 2017 to 2030," the researchers said.
"For the whole of India, summing up the 29 state-level projections, the cumulative number of missing female births during 2017 to 2030 is projected to be 6.8," they wrote in the study.
The average annual number of missing female births between 2017 and 2025 is projected to be 469,000 per year and is projected to increase to 519,000 per year for the time period 2026 to 2030, according to the researchers.
The projects represent an essential input for population projection models in India, especially at the sub-national level, they added.
In India, sex-selective abortions and prenatal sex discernment tests were banned in 1994 under the Pre-conception and Prenatal Diagnostic Techniques (Prohibition of Sex Selection) Act.

Shocking study says selective abortion in India may lead to 6.8 mn fewer girls been born by 2030, worst in UP

NEW DELHI: An estimated 6.8 million fewer female births will be recorded across India by 2030 due to sex-selective abortions, according to a study that projects

www.newindianexpress.com

Sure it's an estimate and I would welcome that argument, however look at the current horrible sex ratios. But things can get better. But look here from just 2019;

Out of 216 births across dozens of villages in northern India over the last 3 months, not a single girl was born, recent data has revealed.

An investigation is currently underway as to why not a single girl was born in 132 villages across the Uttarkashi district, in Uttarakhand state in northern Indian over a three month period. India already has a imbalanced sex ratio with significantly less girls being born than boys.

Sex-selective abortion eliminates all girls in dozens of villages in Northern India

Out of 216 births across dozens of villages in northern India over the last 3 months, not a single girl was born, recent data has revealed.

righttolife.org.uk

Rather than making silly remarks about bailing "ummah chumma bailing Pakistan out" you should take a careful look at the issues that have whittled away the population "dividend" you are trying hard to find. That time passed in the 90's and 0 years.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

your pathetic lot would be more than willing to get outta that hellhole called pakistan the moment they get a chance expect that most countries aren't really welcoming your lot and associate y'all with terrorists which is true ofcourse

No wonder a ton of US based pakistanis had to project themselves as Indians when GoP, PA and ISI were caught pants down hiding OBL

Like all hyper-nationalists poster doesn't seem to be not aware of his own nation's state

Funny thing is

Pakistan's net migration rate is 9 times worse than that of Afghanistan and 23 times that of India's

i.e on a comparable level Pakistanis are 23 times more likely to leave their nation than an average Indian

There is nothing wrong in Pakistanis leaving their nation and being successful else and later contributing to Pakistani economy

Problem is their diaspora has not contributed to Pakistan's development as much as Indian diaspora has done so.