will paf buy any new fighter plane

[MastanKhan]

Khafee i think PAF should go EF thrench 3 all GCC states switching to EF reason abnormal behaviour by yanks towards them we all know new New romance of yanks with iran .They giving PAF hard time for 8 jets time has come Pak should think about other option drop this request of 8 jets pain at short term will feel good in long run.

Hi,

We need to understand the Yanks are not giving hard time to the paf----. The problem is with the paf---it does not understand the TERM NO------.

The senator and the congressmen have stated in many different terms how they would hinder in the sale---now---and in the future as well.

 

[Silicon0000]

India, China & Russia will operate 4.5th generation fighters like Rafale, Su-30, Su-35, Mig-29K till 2060...
If your projections are right then what is use of these fighters?
You are right but that is not going to happen in near future... Just think about UCAV, other than US none of the countries have a decent technology for basic UAV.

Dear let me rephrase my words,

PAF Current era = F-16 & JF-17.

PAF Next era = 5th Gen.

PAF Next to next era = what I right in my previous post.

* overlapping or transition period are obvious.

PAF should develop a strong basic platform and focus more on advanced technologies which could be integrated on that platform instead of getting many platforms and that's the basic science behind F-35 also.

 

[Falcon26]

Whatever route Pakistan takes, I hope they never buy SU-35s. FC-31 should be procured only after it matures and with significant western components as the Chinese electronic suites are not potent enough.

Plus Pakistan can't simply jump from F-16 to a 5th generation. Platforms like the Euro fighter typhoon are a must to restore the qualitive balance.

 

[leftfordead]

They might wake up after Rafale deal , until than PAF will keep their Love for F-16

 

[CHD]

Whatever route Pakistan takes, I hope they never buy SU-35s. FC-31 should be procured only after it matures and with significant western components as the Chinese electronic suites are not potent enough.

Plus Pakistan can't simply jump from F-16 to a 5th generation. Platforms like the Euro fighter typhoon are a must to restore the qualitive balance.

Western components to chinese, never gonna happen.But i agree too, Pakistan should not spend 2 cents on western prospects as that is a dead end.Pakistan is now officialy seen by the west as a full spectrum ally of china.And i am full optimistic that in another 6-7 years chinese Aerospace industries will be at Par with west.

 

[Beast]

3. J31 will be a very good medium 5th Gen Bird at Max but it will be a very good bird to replace our F16 in future , J31 wont coming at least 2025 , We have to put some money in this program Have these Birds as TOT or JV and when they ready some where around 2025 to 2030 replace all F16 with them (have 120 minimum ) as USA is doing with F35,

J-31 do not need such long time to commission from now. Take a good look at JF-17. From first pt4 to operation, it took less than 4 years to get operation. J-31 is using a lot of mature concept from J-20 and design borrow from F-35,F-22. It is less complicated compare to F-35 w/o the vertical take off while the twin engine thrust gives it the enough power compare to F-35. The most important thing is customer must be committed to the project and put a down payment. It needs a confirmation for it to progress fast. By 2020, this plane can be handed over for operation.

 

[Falcon26]

Whatever route Pakistan takes, I hope they never buy SU-35s. FC-31 should be procured only after it matures and with significant western components as the Chinese electronic suites are not potent enough.

Western components to chinese, never gonna happen.But i agree too, Pakistan should not spend 2 cents on western prospects as that is a dead end.Pakistan is now officialy seen by the west as a full spectrum ally of china.And i am full optimistic that in another 6-7 years chinese Aerospace industries will be at Par with west.

Western & especially American components were added to F-6/F-7 jars plus jf-17 features number of western components already not to mention extensive use of western components for block 3.

PAF is lagging far behind in technical training and is incompetent to fly any modern era 4th generation jet other than old tech f-16. JFT is a simplistic modernized refurbished MIG 21 capable only to bomb North Waziristan and FATA. BVR capability of JFT is just a propaganda. Look at PAF history.They keep pretending to evaluate different modern jets and nothing else.Heck PAF can't even handle J-10B.

You must be smoking some powerful stuff. Stop spreading none sense on the forum. Where did you hear PAF training is not up to bar? The Indian jokes of jf-27 being mig-21 are so old

 

[MastanKhan]

4th Gen Fighters.......PAF Pilots have flown almost every present 4th gen aircraft of the world....Even Rafales And Eurofighters for testing.........

Hi,

Only maybe the test pilots have---.

@Asli Lahori ---I think the air marshall maybe was lying at that time---because they were looking at the technology of the Gripen to make the JF17---and you are right the A M made that statement---I recall it.

But now looking back---the Gripen did not have any better tech than what the BLK2 JF 17 has----.

Same and very similar weapons package---utility---offensive and defensive capabilities---data link---with the blk 3 with aesa and irst---and the coming newer weapons---it would be at the very similar level---a difference of between 8.5 to 10.

The real problem with the paf I have is a total lack of urgency---and that is flabbergasting---.

Not understanding that the French will not sell them electronics after the french engineers were killed and pakistan did not even approach the french of the submarine deal---.

Going after the F16's over and over again and not getting the Rafales---even 2/3rd the number----a total lack of a capable heavy strike aircraft---.

My assessment is that there are issues elsewhere in the command and control center.

I personally think that Paf has sabotaged the defense of pakistan---that it may not get strong enough to fight a war with india---I firmly believe that it has been done intentionally by the heirarchy of the air marshalls of paf.

 

[optimisticlad]

I personally think that Paf has sabotaged the defense of pakistan---that it may not get strong enough to fight a war with india---I firmly believe that it has been done intentionally by the heirarchy of the air marshalls of paf.

why they did it intentionally???
i dont think any officer of the highest rank deliberately made non sense decision.
their must b a reason..............a thought process............a consensus of the higher command....their conviction.......
ultimately they might have made flawed decisions....but one can not doubt their intentions.........

 

[MastanKhan]

why they did it intentionally???
i dont think any officer of the highest rank deliberately made non sense decision.
their must b a reason..............a thought process............a consensus of the higher command....their conviction.......
ultimately they might have made flawed decisions....but one can not doubt their intentions.........

Hi,

Paf heirarchy has been involved with ' treasonous ' activities in the past---. So--I won't be surprised if there is deceit over here.

Any thought process and any reasoning that goes against giving strength to pakistan's military is treason---deliberate or not.

 

[Wolf]

PAF will keep on flying these obsolete junks even beyond 2020 unfortunately, the obsession with American made aircraft is putting us under more threats from the enemy.

exactly. A member on some other thread on this forum was referring to a recent event where a turkish F 16 could not fire its missile on Israeli F 16. It means american diplomat's statement should be taken very seriously where it assured indians that american F 16s to Pakistan are only for counter terrorism. But people on this forum, atleast some of them are so die hard fans of F 16s that they cant even consider a simple scenario of WHAT IF americans put sanctions on Pakistan. I tell you, PAF will buy spares from black market at 10 times the price of original spare.

 

[IceCold]

As long as F-16s keep coming, PAF will not bother to look elsewhere. I just hope that Congress blocks the FMF because that would make PAF pay the whole amount which might make them consider the alternative. It would be a blessing in disguise.

On a side note i dont know why have people opted for SU-35? Its Russian and it ant coming. Russia will not upset India not now anway. Neither will SU-27 from China because that too will require Russian permission. Instead of SU-27, J-11 is more plausible but even that remains sceptical because of Russian design and engine. The only viable option is J-10B.

We should have gone for J-10 when it was offered the 1st time during Musharraf time. Agreed it did not provide any improvement over F-16s infact lacked in certain aspects but had we acquired the jet than, we would have gotten the nitty gritty of the jet by now. The Chinese are far more lenient in sharing crucial technology than the Americans. Plus the upgrades would have keep coming and also PAF would have been able to give critical inputs and perhaps a tailored made J-10 just like F-7PG would have been made which would meet our requirements more than any other Jet. Not to forget it would have been a sanction proof plane which we can use anywhere and any time as we deem fit. Plus no more American BS about not doing enough against Haqqanis.

 

[omega supremme]

I hope they never buy SU-35s

Why we should not go for it ?

-- It is an Aircraft which is useful for our maritime operations, giving our Navy some edge.
-- High chances we will go for SU-35 if india goes for Rafale.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

J-31 do not need such long time to commission from now. Take a good look at JF-17. From first pt4 to operation, it took less than 4 years to get operation. J-31 is using a lot of mature concept from J-20 and design borrow from F-35,F-22. It is less complicated compare to F-35 w/o the vertical take off while the twin engine thrust gives it the enough power compare to F-35. The most important thing is customer must be committed to the project and put a down payment. It needs a confirmation for it to progress fast. By 2020, this plane can be handed over for operation.

Thank you for reply sir
With all do respect , you sounds like there is final PT (proto type ) out there and also its done almost all of its testing . in short almost ready to go in production, But in reality who knows how many proto type will come after Pt2(some said its in air).So first let the final Pakistani standard PT out then we decide how long it will going to take to get J31 in fully operational mood.
Sir you said JF31 is almost a mixture copy of J20,,F35,,F22.....sir don't you think it will be more harder practically to make such a design and machine , And you also have to look at the Original concept birds all 3 of them having lot of problems and for F35 they almost called it a technically failed project on one stage "its the politics that make that project running".
I agree with you on last part Pakistan have only 2 options ,, First put money and man power in J31 make sure it will come to production line ASAP , set a time line for that just say 2022 , and very important we have to have JV on this bird , so we can make it in Pakistan in large number (over 120 to replace F16) with out any issue of string attach .
Second we have to join hand with Turkey in there TFX program. Its will be good eastern and western combo of 5th Gen in future in PAF.

Thank you

 

[CHI RULES]

Every one not only on this forum but on others only describing future threats and resources to counter them but they forget that we are living in present time .We should see whether resources we are going to induct today shall be useful for future or not. We should realistically see that if or present resources PAF resources are quite enough to defend our airspace against existing fleet of IAF. Sincerely big no comes in mind as we still don;t have required AEW platforms our even fourth gen jets. We have only 76 F16s along with perhaps 54 declared JF17s strength to counter IAF SU 30MKI,Mirage 2000 and Mig29s , intentionally leaving old jets like Mig21 and Jaguars though even they are upgraded with powerful radars,ew suits and other gadgets with combined strength of 300+.

Further we don;t have any declared long range SAM, the medium level SAMS are also even only install to protect sensitive sites meanwhile civil structure is almost at the mercy of our adversary. Even in previous two wars and current border skirmishes India never hesitated to ponder civil infrastructure.

We should immediately go for following steps.

1. Try to get as much F16s as possible whether used or new if possible. If not possible then walkaway from this platform.
2.Try to get J31 in limited numbers in next Two to three Years as Chinese are known perform such Charisma in the past.
3. Try to get at least two squadrons of Su35 especially in current scenario as Pak has been asked to get new 8 F16s by own funds. We should scrap this deal and start to induct SU35s along with retirement of Mirage IIIs and Mirage Vs. The Su 35 one squadron along with one squadron of JF17s so far shall be quite enough.Meanwhile one squadron should be kept for deep penetration in enemy territory.

In future PAF may base on following platforms J31, JF17s, Su35 and F16s.