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Will America be able to prevent the completion of Gwadar Port ?

Will America be able to stop Gwadar from completion?

  • Yes

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The China Pakistan Economic Corridor runs through one of the most important and central geo-strategic locations in South Asia.
Gwadar is the largest and deepest sea port in this part of the world, its natural layout and depth enables largest tonnage ships to dock there, a characteristic which is absent in Dubai and Chahbahar ports.


The projects encompassing the CPEC are worth $46 billion initially, it is the largest investment by China in a foreign country, this amount is equal to a fifth of Pakistan’s GDP and more than twice the total amount of direct foreign investment here since 2008.
The plan is to use 35 to 38 billion US dollars on energy projects and the rest on development of infrastructure, according to a report placed on the website of China’s State Council Information Office.
It specifies $11.6 billion allocated for the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, $11.5 billion in Sindh, $ 7.1 billion in Balochistan and $ 6.9 billion in Punjab.
Gilgit Baltistan is the gateway of CPEC, projects to address energy issues are already in progress there.


Lesser developed areas of Punjab, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan are also getting linked with the CPEC road network while Gwadar port will help decrease the congestion faced by Karachi Port which faces a glut of commercial, civil and military shipping, also ending the possibility of any naval blockade of Karachi port by India.
Any future issues between provinces regarding benefits and resources can be resolved by the Council of Common Interest, so that aspect is under control now.
The current elected government is elated with the prospect of taking the credit for CPEC in the coming elections in 2018.
The downside is that the general Pakistani public has little access to details of the project, more specifics regarding the CPEC need to be shared, Chinese firms are mostly involved in the execution and funding is arranged from EXIM bank and the Silk Road Fund.
The latest World Bank report evaluated Pakistan's economy with positive growth following the CPEC investment.


Chinese products and goods will flood Pakistani markets due to heightened accessibility, Pakistan needs to keep good quality standards to continue its trade unhindered.
The CPEC would generate thousands of jobs and revenue worth billions of dollars for both countries, it would also provide Pakistan with essential infrastructure, energy investment and development.
It is important that both China and Pakistan make sure that Balochi companies and workers play a prominent role and feel involved in the development project, locals should not feel that the demographics of the province will be affected.
A special security force comprising of 10,000 personnel will soon become completely operational from Gwadar to Karakoram Highway, to make sure that no unruly elements try to disrupt the project.


Gwadar is perceived as part of China’s 'String of Pearls' naval strategy and its most important strategic gambit.
China’s US$ 5 trillion worth sea-borne trade plies via the South China Sea where the Straits of Malacca become a choke point, Gwadar provides it the alternative trade route for the Gulf regions via the Arabian Sea, shorter and cost-efficient, it provides China an inter-connected infrastructure network to link its economy with the rest of the world, Chinese goods would now come down a 3000 km route to reach the warm waters of Gwadar.


CPEC is said to provide China the clout it needed to counter the U.S. agenda of 'Pivot to Asia' , traditional key players for containing the Dragon on behalf of the U.S are Japan, Indonesia, Singapore and India.
In this scenario, Pakistan emerges as a major player that can balance superpower rivalries and promote trade co-operation.
China-Pakistan relations have a particular synergy lacking in most strategic partnerships in the region, Beijing supports Pakistan’s military ambitions and perpetually blocks Indian efforts to be member of UN Security Council, NSG etc.



India has been keenly watching the progress of CPEC, looking for opportunities to subvert it as it fears encirclement by China and Pakistan, it views CPEC as a mega-scale naval mobilization program that threaten its security and puts global sea lanes at risk.
India worries as China invests in a new batch of nuclear reactors for Pakistan, giving it a total power capacity of 7,930 MW by 2030, it feels like China is moving next door to safeguard its $46 billion investment.
If viewed from the Indian perspective, CPEC looks like an ominous pact between two of its biggest enemies, it tried to counter the threat by investing in the Iranian port of Chahbahar which lacks the location, facilities and capacity offered by Gwadar.

Chahbahar’ s maximum planned capacity is only 10 to 12 million tons a year, it also cannot provide a safe passage for trade through Afghanistan as it remains in turmoil.


In 2016, Gwadar had a total traffic of half a million tons cargo which is expected to double in 2017, at completion it will handle 300 to 400 tons per annum and will be a city of 2 million residents according to planners.
All of India's 212 ports handle 500 million tons a year while Long Beach, America's largest port handles 80 million tons a year which is just 20% of the Gwadar port capacity.


India wants to deny Pakistan the advantage of its geo-strategic location, recently an Indian naval officer Kulbhushan Yadav was caught running terrorist cells within Pakistan.
Impervious to Indian objectives, Iran could have a $100 billion worth of energy deals with China in the near future, there is also a proposal to link the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline with China.

The importance of CPEC to China makes any Indian sub-conventional response very risky, India may not be able to handle the backlash from China.



The general perception is that Pakistan's relations with the U.S. will deteriorate due to the CPEC, U.S. investors have pulled out $71.9 million in the last 11 months whereas U.S. investment amounted to $197.1 million in the previous year, this is just one of the indicators of its displeasure, nowadays Pak-U.S. relations lack enthusiasm.

China increased its investment even more to cover the loss as other investors pulled out, EXIM bank is to pitch in $20 million for the Nawabshah - Sanghar road, it offset the decrease in investments from the rest of the world.

The CPEC has global trade implications, Pakistan must secure it's strategic and economic interests and learn how to balance the two major powers, U.S. and China, without upsetting the apple cart.
In the last 13 years, the U.S. gave Pakistan about $10.5 billion in economic assistance, $7.6 billion in security-related aid, and $13 billion in counterterrorism support, even recently the U.S. Senate passed $1.1 billion under the Security Enhancement Act on account of mutual strategic partnership, but somehow it never took interest in building dams, power plants, roads, bridges or ports.

China views its relationship with allies on a geo-strategic, and geo-economics basis, the purpose of the CPEC is to spur foreign investment and accelerate trade.
The United States could plan on a similar pattern and help put Pakistan on the road to financial security and political stability, it could direct some civilian assistance into CPEC-aligned projects such as improving Pakistan's national power grid.
The U.S. will most definitely continue to play a constructive role in Pakistan as it has since the last 70 years, it is an opportunity for tri-lateral co-operation and it already has heavy economic and trade ties with China.



Today even after striking a nuclear deal with Iran, the U.S. may not completely trust Iran or its new ally India, it cannot afford to lose its influence in Pakistan.
India’s all-time strategic partner is Russia and not the U.S., Modi calls Russia ‘ a pillar of strength’ and India’s ‘most important defence partner', this angle will upset the India-U.S. equation in the long-term as Washington cannot tolerate Moscow.
The U.S. Senate recently rejected an amendment designating India as a "major defense partner" even though India had high hopes after Modi's address to U.S. Congress.


The Chinese government has expressed the hope that work on the CPEC projects will be completed before scheduled time, it is at top priority in the next Chinese five year plan, according to the SCIO report, Pakistan, s profile has improved as an economic destination and economic indicators have risen.
The CPEC project has moved ahead according to schedule and Pakistan seems poised to take it onwards to completion.
 
In the last 13 years, the U.S. gave Pakistan about $10.5 billion in economic assistance, $7.6 billion in security-related aid, and $13 billion in counterterrorism support, even recently the U.S. Senate passed $1.1 billion under the Security Enhancement Act on account of mutual strategic partnership, but somehow it never took interest in building dams, power plants, roads, bridges or ports.

China views its relationship with allies on a geo-strategic, and geo-economics basis, the purpose of the CPEC is to spur foreign investment and accelerate trade.
The United States could plan on a similar pattern and help put Pakistan on the road to financial security and political stability, it could direct some civilian assistance into CPEC-aligned projects such as improving Pakistan's national power grid.
The U.S. will most definitely continue to play a constructive role in Pakistan as it has since the last 70 years, it is an opportunity for tri-lateral co-operation and it already has heavy economic and trade ties with China.



Today even after striking a nuclear deal with Iran, the U.S. may not completely trust Iran or its new ally India, it cannot afford to lose its influence in Pakistan.
India’s all-time strategic partner is Russia and not the U.S., Modi calls Russia ‘ a pillar of strength’ and India’s ‘most important defence partner', this angle will upset the India-U.S. equation in the long-term as Washington cannot tolerate Moscow.
The U.S. Senate recently rejected an amendment designating India as a "major defense partner" even though India had high hopes after Modi's address to U.S. Congress.


The Chinese government has expressed the hope that work on the CPEC projects will be completed before scheduled time, it is at top priority in the next Chinese five year plan, according to the SCIO report, Pakistan, s profile has improved as an economic destination and economic indicators have risen.
The CPEC project has moved ahead according to schedule and Pakistan seems poised to take it onwards to completion.

A large portion of the US aid goes here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Income_Support_Programme

Do you think this was a bad idea?
 
The only thing America can do is to pull out of its hat a false flag terrorist event on its soil and then blame it on Pakistan and use it as a pretext to launch a full fledged war against Pakistan. But again, where would such action would lead the world order into, that is a unknown.
 
The only thing America can do is to pull out of its hat a false flag terrorist event on its soil and then blame it on Pakistan and use it as a pretext to launch a full fledged war against Pakistan. But again, where would such action would lead the world order into, that is a unknown.

I sincerely wish that Pakistani members would stop using 'false flag' wherever rational argument or logical thought fails them. It reminds one of the comic use of the 'bottle of oil' by Aristophanes in The Frogs.
 
The only thing America can do is to pull out of its hat a false flag terrorist event on its soil and then blame it on Pakistan and use it as a pretext to launch a full fledged war against Pakistan. But again, where would such action would lead the world order into, that is a unknown.

The US has zero plans of invading Pakistan unless some crazy terrorist event happens linked to the tribal areas.
 
in order to destroy CPEC America has many options at hand
  • support Indian subversion in Baluchistan via Afghan border
  • bring up the Baloch independence in American congress
so though terrorism and political pressure making the both the route and the port itself economically less viable and unstable
  • instigate Islamic unrest/ terrorism in Chinese Sinkiang
thus not only disrupting the trade rout but also causing rift between China & Pakistan. CIA has the option of using the proxy terrorists for that purpose.

  • outsource the killing of Afghan Taliban negotiation leadership to TTP and BLA
the ambush on Mullah Mansoor and beheading him after killing & burning everyone except the Pakistani passport was evident that CIA felt at ease to openly use its proxies. although it doesn't seem to directly affect the CPEC , but antagonising the Afghan Taliban and discrediting Pakistani peace negotiations would mean that Afghan Taliban would also join other proxies against Pakistan , disrupting peace and engaging Pakistan army.

  • Support Indian aggression against Pakistan in case of any planned Mumbai style terrorism in India
America might build political pressure against Pakistan and join India in a prepared and pre-worked blame against Pakistan even before the the terrorist incident finishes in any of the Indian metropolis. supporting Indian navy to block Gawadar and its force concentration along the borders.

degradation of Pakistan is India's right of passage to become a world power and this is a mission assigned by USA to India to show its worth and be a worthy contender and opponent of China. therefore USA has no problem in supporting Iran-India rival port deal although it hates the Ayatullah regime with a passion.
 
Yeah we know those tribal people are really that James bond kind of people, you never know when will be the next time they enter US on thier flying carpets and target

That's why I said it would have to be a crazy event.
 
The only thing America can do is to pull out of its hat a false flag terrorist event on its soil and then blame it on Pakistan and use it as a pretext to launch a full fledged war against Pakistan. But again, where would such action would lead the world order into, that is a unknown.

They already had that opportunity right after the 9/11.In fact they directly mentioned about that in their meetings with Gen Musharaf.
If they want the destruction of Pakistan ,if that serves their interests .They will do that .And they can do that even now if they want .And noone going to help Pakistan in that case .
But fact is they still need Pakistan .That is why they are allowing Pakistan's existence even after that OBL raid .
 
They already had that opportunity right after the 9/11.In fact they directly mentioned about that in their meetings with Gen Musharaf.
If they want the destruction of Pakistan ,if that serves their interests .They will do that .And they can do that even now if they want .And noone going to help Pakistan in that case .
But fact is they still need Pakistan .That is why they are allowing Pakistan's existence even after that OBL raid .

A stable Pakistan remains in US national interests, fraudulent fear-mongering and conspiracy theories as indicated above notwithstanding. India will rise and fall on its own without any perceived rites of passage needed, as will Pakistan, on its own.

Edit: Funny how the title was changed. :D
 
in order to destroy CPEC America has many options at hand
  • support Indian subversion in Baluchistan via Afghan border
  • bring up the Baloch independence in American congress
so though terrorism and political pressure making the both the route and the port itself economically less viable and unstable
  • instigate Islamic unrest/ terrorism in Chinese Sinkiang
thus not only disrupting the trade rout but also causing rift between China & Pakistan. CIA has the option of using the proxy terrorists for that purpose.

  • outsource the killing of Afghan Taliban negotiation leadership to TTP and BLA
the ambush on Mullah Mansoor and beheading him after killing & burning everyone except the Pakistani passport was evident that CIA felt at ease to openly use its proxies. although it doesn't seem to directly affect the CPEC , but antagonising the Afghan Taliban and discrediting Pakistani peace negotiations would mean that Afghan Taliban would also join other proxies against Pakistan , disrupting peace and engaging Pakistan army.

  • Support Indian aggression against Pakistan in case of any planned Mumbai style terrorism in India
America might build political pressure against Pakistan and join India in a prepared and pre-worked blame against Pakistan even before the the terrorist incident finishes in any of the Indian metropolis. supporting Indian navy to block Gawadar and its force concentration along the borders.

degradation of Pakistan is India's right of passage to become a world power and this is a mission assigned by USA to India to show its worth and be a worthy contender and opponent of China. therefore USA has no problem in supporting Iran-India rival port deal although it hates the Ayatullah regime with a passion.
The only reason of killing Mullah Mansoor was to disrupt the peace talks and turn Afghans taliban against Pakistan well just like TTP/BLA/BRA.
But if Ameicans haven't beaten us in this game in last 15 years they wont do it today either. American dream of staying in Afghanistan will be shaterred just like thier previous adventures in last 50 years and one way or another they will have to take that walk of shame again in near future from Afghanistan.
 
A stable Pakistan remains in US national interests, fraudulent fear-mongering and conspiracy theories as indicated above notwithstanding. India will rise and fall on its own without any perceived rites of passage needed, as will Pakistan, on its own.

That is what I said in my post .
A stable Pakistan is US interests .That is why they didnt raid Pakistan even after they got number one terrorist from
Abottabbad .Even India dont want another Syria type situation in our western border .

India wont fall as long as she has good Indian children like us .
We dont want any others destruction nor we allow some others that looks for our destruction.
 

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