When will China's military be able to challenge the U.S.?

[Chinaownseverything]

We often see Chinese elite troops receiving combat training without body armor. But US elite troops receive combat training with body armor.

When US invaded Japan's Okinawa, Japanese troops were fighting the US marines with swords. But they could not withstand the onslaught of US marines' sophisticated firearms. The result was the total casualties of all Japanese soldiers and civilians. US military does not discriminate between soldiers and civilians. They enjoy shooting and killing people. Thats fun for them.

Japan under-estimated US military might.

That looks a lot like the 800 series

IED Search Body Armor Suit - 800 Series - LBA International LTD

The US marines DON'T go into battle wearing that, this is IED armor the people who wear it are the ones who look for bombs

The marines wear Interceptor armor
Interceptor body armor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reason why Most countries don't use body armor is because they are heavy and expensive. Even if you have body armor getting shot just once will hurt a LOT if you got shot in the chest you would collapse from pain.

 

[challenger]

That looks a lot like the 800 series

IED Search Body Armor Suit - 800 Series - LBA International LTD

The US marines DON'T go into battle wearing that, this is IED armor the people who wear it are the ones who look for bombs

The marines wear Interceptor armor
Interceptor body armor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reason why Most countries don't use body armor is because they are heavy and expensive. Even if you have body armor getting shot just once will hurt a LOT if you got shot in the chest you would collapse from pain.

No they are not for United States Army Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) team. They are for regular US elite troops. They have not been used in Iraq war, may be due to some unknown reasons.

Yes, body armor is heavy and is an obstacle for troops faster mobility. But they save lives.

There is no substitute for an effective body armor. A soldier's life matters.

 

[TorontoNoctis]

Yes, too expensive and heavy. Because most nations of the world are too poor and their front line troops too physically unfit to make proper use of body armor. Forget the special forces -- compare the ordinary front line soldiers of most nations to Americans and they look puny.

This is not a slam against China specifically. Having big muscles and lifting weights and doing pushups all day doesn't make you the best soldier in modern war. But it does mean they can carry more kit like body armor. And frankly any army which has conscription even if only for a few years will suffer from poor physical conditoning of some of its front line troops because you drag people who shouldn't be in the military at all into it.

The disadvantage to using body armor, if you are physically fit enough to wear it, isn't weight but flexibility and dehydration.

 

[Chinaownseverything]

No they are not for United States Army Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) team. They are for regular US elite troops. They have not been used in Iraq war, may be due to some unknown reasons.

Yes, body armor is heavy and is an obstacle for troops faster mobility. But they save lives.

YouTube - Point Blank Body Armor Saves Soldier's Life

YouTube - Armor saves lives

There is no substitute for an effective body armor. A soldier's life matters.

This is an IED suit

This is the interceptor body armor

Even the youtube video says they are wearing interceptor

The armor posted above are for IED

Body armor only saves lives when you are fighting against terrorists using ak-47 variants and firing low caliber/non ap rounds.

If these guys were fighting a modern military like China they wouldn't be using body armor because the bullets will go right through

 

[challenger]

Yes, too expensive and heavy. Because most nations of the world are too poor and their front line troops too physically unfit to make proper use of body armor. Forget the special forces -- compare the ordinary front line soldiers of most nations to Americans and they look puny.

This is not a slam against China specifically. Having big muscles and lifting weights and doing pushups all day doesn't make you the best soldier in modern war. But it does mean they can carry more kit like body armor. And frankly any army which has conscription even if only for a few years will suffer from poor physical conditoning of some of its front line troops because you drag people who shouldn't be in the military at all into it.

Roger that.

I always see Chinese soldiers engaged in harsh training like lifting woods and practicing kung fu. Hilarious!! This is backwardness. China now has the economic muscle to produce state of the art body armors and Chinese soldiers should train themselves wearing those body armors and other combat gears.

Body armor is just one aspect, there are thousands of such aspects where Chinese military is lagging behind US military. Look, China should try to match the best military. I am not talking about a war between China and India. Indian troops are nothing in front of Chinese troops, similarly Chinese troops are nothing in front of US troops.

Chinese military should take US military as its role model. US military is superb.

 

[challenger]

This is an IED suit

This is the interceptor body armor

Even the youtube video says they are wearing interceptor

The armor posted above are for IED

Body armor only saves lives when you are fighting against terrorists using ak-47 variants and firing low caliber/non ap rounds.

If these guys were fighting a modern military like China they wouldn't be using body armor because the bullets will go right through

You need to see the movie Hurt Locker to know more about IED disposal squad.

 

[TorontoNoctis]

Body armor only saves lives when you are fighting against terrorists using ak-47 variants and firing low caliber/non ap rounds.

If these guys were fighting a modern military like China they wouldn't be using body armor because the bullets will go right through

No that is absolutely wrong. The main purpose of body armor is to protect against shrapnel which was the number one killer of soldiers in WWII and WWI. Body armor turns lethal hits into critical hits, critical hits into wounding hits and so on. So heavy body armor would be used especially by a casualty aware Western democracy in any circumstance.

You are also wrong about service rifles using mainly armor piercing ammo. The armor piercing ability of many types of ammo are exagerrated for political purposes to ban automatic rifles. You should ask a gun enthusiast for proof if you don't believe me.

 

[Chinaownseverything]

You need to see the movie Hurt Locker to know more about IED disposal squad.

There are different types of IED disposal, this armor is for traveling through IED areas, but they don't actually do the disposal work

Those pictures you posted came from here

Full Body Armor

And even they say its IED gear

Aberdeen, Md. (April 25, 2005) - Staff Sgt. Leslie Moore assigned to the 16th Ordinance Battalion tests new flexible arm and leg protective armor at the Army Research Laboratory's (ARL) mobility/portability course at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Aberdeen, Md. The Office of Naval Research (ONR) and researchers from the Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) developed the armor for use by Marines and soldiers to reduce the likelihood of severe injuries by protecting against the large number of smaller blast fragments generated by blast weapons and improvise explosive devices (IEDs). U.S. Navy photo by John F. Williams

 

[below_freezing]

what's the use of discussing body armor when air forces and strategic missiles can destroy an entire enemy nation within hours? such discussions are only useful when talking about USA vs. iraq or something, against any nuclear nation it will move straight up to air and nuclear power which no one can afford.

 

[Masterchief]

Brain washed commie?

I have lived in the USA all my life

Communism is not a bad thing, it is a dream that we should all strive for

YouTube - China's last Maoist village - 25 June 2008

Look at this, only with communism can the world achieve peace

lets remember this everything has a dark side associated with it, the only difference between democracy and communism is that , the dark side of communism is more darker than that of democracy.

 

[TorontoNoctis]

what's the use of discussing body armor when air forces and strategic missiles can destroy an entire enemy nation within hours? such discussions are only useful when talking about USA vs. iraq or something, against any nuclear nation it will move straight up to air and nuclear power which no one can afford.

Only ground pounders can hold ground.

The nation might be destroyed but the fighting force would very much be alive. Cities are relatively simple to cripple with strategic missiles and air forces because of their size compared to army formations. Consider that even the most optimistic theories about a USA first strike on North Korea with the most advanced bunker busting weapons and even nuclear groundbursts do not say they can wipe out the North Korean army before it can retaliate and destroy Seoul.

Besides you just need to be a little creative and you can come up with tons of ideas for non-nuclear war between two nuclear countries

 

[challenger]

There are different types of IED disposal, this armor is for traveling through IED areas, but they don't actually do the disposal work

Those pictures you posted came from here

Full Body Armor

And even they say its IED gear

Aberdeen, Md. (April 25, 2005) - Staff Sgt. Leslie Moore assigned to the 16th Ordinance Battalion tests new flexible arm and leg protective armor at the Army Research Laboratory's (ARL) mobility/portability course at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Aberdeen, Md. The Office of Naval Research (ONR) and researchers from the Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) developed the armor for use by Marines and soldiers to reduce the likelihood of severe injuries by protecting against the large number of smaller blast fragments generated by blast weapons and improvise explosive devices (IEDs). U.S. Navy photo by John F. Williams

But the photos are showing that US troops are getting combat training wearing such body armors. And they are not wearing the helmets EOD team members wear.

Like I said, there is no substitute for body armor. Poor nations can't afford it, thats a different story.

 

[Chinaownseverything]

No that is absolutely wrong. The main purpose of body armor is to protect against shrapnel which was the number one killer of soldiers in WWII and WWI. Body armor turns lethal hits into critical hits, critical hits into wounding hits and so on. So heavy body armor would be used especially by a casualty aware Western democracy in any circumstance.

You are also wrong about service rifles using mainly armor piercing ammo. The armor piercing ability of many types of ammo are exagerrated for political purposes to ban automatic rifles. You should ask a gun enthusiast for proof if you don't believe me.

People use Flak jackets against Strapnel

Flak jacket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and no body armor does not make you a GOD

North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a SWAT officer reported during the final gunfire exchange that his M16 rounds could not penetrate Mătăsăreanu's armor suggesting that the outcome could have been different had both robbers been wearing leg protection

The ineffectiveness of the pistol rounds and shotgun pellets in penetrating the robbers' body armor led to a trend in the United States toward arming selected police patrol officers with semi-automatic 5.56 mm AR-15 type rifles

 

[challenger]

what's the use of discussing body armor when air forces and strategic missiles can destroy an entire enemy nation within hours? such discussions are only useful when talking about USA vs. iraq or something, against any nuclear nation it will move straight up to air and nuclear power which no one can afford.

This is totally unprofessional layman type reply.

Iraq had a good air force. What happened to it?

And about strategic missiles, yes, this is one field where China is showing development. But this is not enough.

 

[challenger]

People use Flak jackets against Strapnel

Flak jacket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and no body armor does not make you a GOD

North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why are you finding excuses?

During the Korean war, Chinese troops could not afford helmets, which resulted in large number of casualties due to head wounds. Body armors are as useful as ballistic helmets.

You think, US is dumb enough to waste money producing body armors?