US to offer F-35 fighters to India

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  1. KEETARP
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    DBC would like to hear about that "mission planning suite "
    and two doubts in specific regarding the procurement of American hardware .

    First -
    Regarding some of the sensitive COSMEC encrypted technology .
    MIDS-LVT which is approved for NATO and allied forces only , how does US exports these tech which are strictly meant for NATO countries . And this MIDS not only goes onboard F35 but F16,F18 as well as part of Link16 data-terminal link . What alternative will US provide to India/Pakistan/Malaysia/Taiwan Asia etc who are in process of acquiring sophisticated tech .

    I remember France having same concerns wrt to Rafale export since it had same terminal , but later they developed a separate one .

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    i have highlighted the concerned part


    Second -
    Regarding the mode of radar operations ,
    Every country's requirement of operation differs from US .
    A f16/f18 radar or RWR will be calibrated according to say Texas or Langley air-base trials . APG79 might be programmed to reject an object at xxxx altitude and will have a ground-clutter mapping of say Colorado . But when it arrives in india it will have to be re programed to reject a xxxx+500 m altitude object and will need clutter map of say Gwalior air-base . Further jets will not be stationary at one air-base , its the policy of InAF to keep rotating the jets btw bases . F16 might not be configured for air-sea mapping or operation while InAF may just want to use them from Andman islands
    Everytime systems need to be reconfigured .

    - Who would do this ??? Will LM officials be called in everytime even at some sensitive air-force base to perform each recalibration . Or would US hand over those lines of codes that control mode of radar operation .
    In addition I have my own concerns regarding that EUMA , until US hands over those API/codes only god knows what runs alongside those codes , and how much sensitive information can be extracted by access to those equipments on-board
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    Why are u indian dancing? F-35 is inferior to PAK-FA, why buy F-35 when PAF-FA is near completion? I remember all indians were trying to prove F-35 inferior in PAK-FA thread. Now they are mad, as F-35 is offered.
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    Ahem:

    F35 Naval version ...for the navy...

    PAKFA for Airforce.....

    See the difference?


    Now, are Indians allowed to feel good your highness?
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    Cool down, F-35 Is for the Navy..... What better Aircraft than The F-35 can One find for its navy??? Well Its just offered to us, we Have no Intentions and No room for Buying it as of now, Well If India has any plans to Shortlist Fighter Aircrafts for IAC 2 then Surely F-35 would get a chance....
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    F35 is for navy its a different contract it has nothing to do with MMRCA
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    Ehh F-35 can carry like 2 bombs.
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    Link 16 transmissions are encrypted with TSEC cryptovariable(Time Based Transmission Security) the message itself is encrypted using MSEC cryptovariable.

    To receive a transmission from a AWACS or another US/allied aircraft the receiver must have the same TSEC key and to decrypt the message itself the receiver must have the same MSEC key.

    On a single TACTICAL DIGITAL INFORMATION LINK network (such as an airbase or aircraft carrier group)MSEC and TSEC crypto keys are generated by a device (computer) with special software. Upto a 1000 keys can be stored on a AN/CYZ-10 DTD device for transfer to the operational unit (aircraft, controller..)

    The system hardware is common or compatible between US Army, Navy and USAF and our NATO/non NATO allies, but the algorithm for generating MSEC or TSEC crypto keys is not shared. However, the keys can be shared for joint operations. The article you posted is wrongly worded, "NATO approval" isn't required or sought for the hardware but will be required for sharing MSEC and TSEC keys.
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    Indians should be beware of US trying to outsource their sino-US conflict. Such a move would result in India falling into shambles and total economic melt down. Also US approving F35 sale is highly doubted because its a project top secret and very few member countries are allowed to share.
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    Thank you for your thoughtful advise, but

    Pakistanis should be beware of China trying to outsource their sino-Indian conflict. Such a move would result in Pakistan falling into shambles and total economic melt down.Also China approving JXX sale is highly doubted because its a project top secret and no country is part of it.
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    america and its nato allies have spent a lot of time and dollers on a project with many flaws

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    F-35 JSF Hit by Serious Design Problems

    by Johan Boeder in The Netherlands. Earlier versions of this article have been published in the Dutch press and Defense-Aerospace. DID has worked with the author to create an edited, updated version with full documentation of sources.

    On May 3, 2007, during the 19th test flight of the prototype of the F-35A Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), a serious electrical malfunction occurred in the control of the plane. After an emergency landing the malfunction could be identified as a crucial problem, and it became clear that redesign of critical electronic components was necessary. Producer Lockheed Martin and program officials first announced there was a minor problem, and later on they avoided any further publicity about the problems.

    The delay has become serious, however, and rising costs for the JSF program seem to be certain. In Holland, Parliament started a discussion again last week. Understanding the background behind these delays, and the pressures on European governments, is important to any realistic assessment of the F-35’s European strategy – and of the procurement plans in many European defense ministries…

    as the aircraft will be used by many countries it hopes to make it a sales table success like the f16

    but with a major problem of technology sharing and with its comes its anti wepons which i think the Russia already has!

    anti-stealth technology - Google Search

    it just wants india to deviate from its joint ventures with Russia.:pop:
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    good reply right....
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    Are you sure about the highlighted part - esp the hardware
    Low volume terminal ,
    because Thales vice president for communications & navigation says something different .
    According to Thales , MIDS-LVT is not exportable and has certain hardware specifications for LVTs standardized by group of nations envolved in program for -e.g
    MIDS LVT: Low Volume Terminal (Link 16)

    and similarly standards for
    transmission characteristics and protocols, conventions, and fixed-length or variable length message formats defined by MIL-STD 6016, STANAG 5516 of NATO

    The hardware part is not allowed to customers

    Same reason why UAE decided to equip its Eurofighter and Apache64 machines with Thales NextW@ve multifunction terminal . Down below is article , i have highlighted some concerned points and details about NextW@ve multifunction terminal.


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    Yes I'm sure, hardware encryption is fallible as was proved with the ENIGMA during world war II. MIDS is installed in a variety of operational equipment including mobile ground units, if hardware encryption is employed and the hardware falls into enemy hands. Then the system can be deciphered the integrity of entire system is lost rendering it worthless as this compromises all allied communication.

    As for the LX16 equipment manufactured by Thales, it apparently operates on a different frequency and is incompatible with Link 16 until additional hardware is added. I don't have enough information to comment on what this 'additional hardware' does - perhaps it just increases the operating frequency to NATO standards.
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    what is this???:what:
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    i know about IAC (what u called IAC-I) , but have no information about IAC-II. Is it already started. Please provide any source if u have.