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The Pentagon has proposed transferring U.S. military equipment from Iraq to Pakistani security forces to help Islamabad step up its offensive against the Taliban, according to officials and government documents.

The Pentagon request for the authority to "transfer articles no longer needed in Iraq" to the army of Pakistan received a cool reception in the U.S. Congress, where some questioned what safeguards would ensure the arms would not end up being diverted to Pakistan's border with India, a nuclear-armed power like Pakistan.

The inclusion of Pakistan in the request, along with Iraq and Afghanistan, underscored the high priority the Pentagon places on freeing up equipment the Pakistani army says it needs to mount ground operations in South Waziristan and other Taliban strongholds bordering Afghanistan.

But the push-back from Capitol Hill also put a spotlight on deep congressional skepticism about aiding Pakistani security services which some still see as playing both sides in Washington's war with the Taliban.

In addition to the possibility of transfers from Iraq, the Pentagon is considering expanding programs under which Washington procures equipment for Pakistani forces through third governments, or leases them U.S. equipment at nominal rates, sources briefed on the discussions said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

The Pentagon declined to comment on Pakistan's inclusion in the proposal, first raised with key congressional committees in June.

Under the proposal, Defense Secretary Robert Gates would have the authority to "transfer both excess and non-excess defense stocks, along with defense services in connection with the transfers," to the three governments. He already has some authority to transfer equipment deemed as "excess."

The Pentagon did not say in its request to Congress what equipment would become eligible for transfer as U.S. forces gradually leave Iraq. U.S. combat troops pulled out of Iraqi cities and towns in June, and all U.S. forces are due to move out by the end of 2011.

Pentagon officials said a review was under way to determine what equipment could be left behind in Iraq and transferred to allies. "The secretary believes we've got to be more flexible, more responsive, more rapid in our dealings with friends and allies around the world, particularly militaries we're trying to develop quickly," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell.

COAXING PAKISTAN TO ACT

Gates has praised Pakistan's "success" in recent operations against militants in the Swat valley, northwest of Islamabad, and the Pentagon has made the procurement of more military equipment a priority, though officials says the effort is going slowly because some of the items are no longer in production.

While favored by Pakistan's military and political leaders, expanding U.S. military assistance is a highly contentious issue in the country due to widespread anti-U.S. sentiment.

One of Washington's concerns is that Pakistan will put off indefinitely a post-Swat push into South Waziristan, the main base for Pakistani Taliban fighters loyal to Baitullah Mehsud, who was killed in a CIA missile strike last month.

With U.S. troop strength growing in Afghanistan, the United States wants Pakistan to take hold of Waziristan and other Islamist militant enclaves on its side of the border and prevent Taliban fighters from crossing into Afghanistan.

The Pakistani army has been battling militants in parts of the northwest, but it has made clear to Washington that a major Waziristan offensive would likely have to wait months, possibly until spring, because of shortages of Cobra attack helicopters, protective gear, precision weapons and other equipment.

"We're working as quickly as we can," a defense official said when asked when the military equipment sought by Pakistan would arrive. But he said its army can still "keep the battle rhythm up ... We believe they have the ability to do that."

U.S. officials acknowledge that a major offensive in Waziristan would require a far larger commitment from Islamabad than what it made in Swat.

According to U.S. defense officials, Pakistan has moved about one-third of its forces from the border with India toward Swat and other western provinces threatened by the Taliban. The shift in personnel, officials said, would have to increase sharply to accommodate a ground operation in Waziristan.

Daniel Markey, an expert on the region with the Council of Foreign Relations, said a major offensive in Waziristan was unlikely because the Pakistani army would have to be willing to "attack, stay, and take serious casualties".

He said Pakistan was unlikely to change its current strategy of attacking militants largely from the air -- "more divide and conquer than clear, hold, build.
 
رائیٹز کی ایک رپورٹ کے مطابق۔۔۔ عراق سے امریکی فوج چلےجانےکےبعد۔۔۔پینٹاگون نےطالبان کےخلاف جنگ کیلئےامریکی فوجی سازوسامان پاکستانی فوج کودینےکی تجویز دی ہے۔۔۔اس تجویز پر کچھ ممبران نےیہ سوال بھی اٹھایاہے۔۔۔کہ اس بات کی کیا گارنٹی ہے ۔۔۔کہ پاکستان یہ ہتھیاربھارت کیخلاف استعمال نہیں کرےگا۔۔۔ امریکی فوج دوہزار گیارہ کےآخرتک عراق سے چلی جائے گی۔۔۔۔ پینٹاگون میں اس بات کا جائزہ لیا جارہا ہےکہ کون سےآلات عراق میں چھوڑےجائیں اورکون سےاتحادیوں کو منتقل کردیئے۔۔۔
گیارہ ستمبر کے افسوسناک واقعات کے بعد۔۔۔شروع ہونے والی دہشتگردی کے خلاف جنگ میں پاکستان تمام اتحادیون سے زیادہ قربانیان دے چکا ہے۔۔۔ مگر افسوس اس بات کا ہے۔۔۔ کہ امریکہ اور پاکستان کے تعلقات میں اعتماد ابھی تک نہیں آ سکا۔۔۔دوسری طرف لیڈر شپ کی کمزوری نے پاکستان کو اس مقام تک پہنچا دیا ہے جہان۔۔۔امریکہ ماسٹر اور پاکستان غلام ہے۔۔۔جس کی عزت نفس کی دھجیان اڑانا امریکی حکام کے لئے انتحائی آسان ہے۔۔۔۔
پاکستان ایک عالمی جنگ لڑ رہا ہے۔۔۔جس میں امریکہ اور یورپ کی سیکیورٹی کے لئے فرنٹ لائیں سٹیٹ ہے۔۔۔ جنگ کے لئے اسلحہ اور ٹیکنولوجی فراہم کرنا۔۔۔یہ امریکہ اور یورپ کا فرض ہے۔۔۔مگر افسوس ایک طرف تو امریکہ یہ پریشر ڈال رہا ہے کہ پاکستان اور محاظ کھولے ۔۔۔تو دوسری طرف ہتھیار دینے میں بہانے بھی کر رہا ہے۔۔۔
پاکستان اگر آج امریکہ اور نیٹو کا ساتھ چھور دے ۔۔تو امریکہ شاید کچھ مہینے بھی افغانستان میں سروئیو نہ کر سکے۔۔۔ امریکہ سپلائی سے لے کر انٹیلی جنس تک اور طالبان اور القاعدا کے کی نکل و حرکت روکنے تک ۔۔۔۔لامریکہ پاکستان کا محتاج ہے۔۔۔ مگر یہ ہمارے حکمرانون کی نالائیکیان ہی ہیں ۔۔۔جن کی بدولت امریکی لیڈرز پاکستان کو ڈی گریڈ کرنے کا کوئی موقع ہاتھ سے جانے نہیں دیتے۔۔۔
 
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US eyes military equipment transfer to Pakistan from Iraq


Updated at: 1245 PST, Thursday, September 10, 2009
WASHINGTON: The Pentagon has proposed transferring U.S. military equipment from Iraq to Pakistani security forces to help Islamabad step up its offensive against the Taliban, according to officials and government documents.

The Pentagon request for the authority to "transfer articles no longer needed in Iraq" to the army of Pakistan received a cool reception in the U.S. Congress, where some questioned what safeguards would ensure the arms would not end up being diverted to Pakistan's border with India, a nuclear-armed power like Pakistan.

The inclusion of Pakistan in the request, along with Iraq and Afghanistan, underscored the high priority the Pentagon places on freeing up equipment the Pakistani army says it needs to mount ground operations in South Waziristan and other Taliban strongholds bordering Afghanistan.

In addition to the possibility of transfers from Iraq, the Pentagon is considering expanding programs under which Washington procures equipment for Pakistani forces through third governments, or leases them U.S. equipment at nominal rates, sources briefed on the discussions said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.
 
Musharraf: Give Pakistan Killer Drones to Target Terrorists
Wednesday, September 09, 2009




Former Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf believes his country should be given drone aircraft so it can take out top terror suspects without the help of the West, he told FOX News in an exclusive interview.

Musharraf became a key U.S. ally after the Sept. 11 terror attacks and joined the United States in fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda. He became the target of repeated assassination attempts — but he says he acted for the good of his country — not for U.S. benefit.

“It was not for United States alone ... it was for Pakistan," he said during a wide-ranging interview with FOX News' Amy Kellogg in London.

"[W]e are a progressive, moderate people, so it was very clear that we cannot accept" the Talibanization of his country, he said, calling it an easy decision to turn his military's sights on the militants.

"They were roaming around our cities and causing terrorist attacks in our cities and all over, and we had to eliminate that."

Musharraf said that Al Qaeda has been significantly diminished in Pakistan, but the Taliban is thriving. Yet he believes that the unmanned aircraft the U.S. uses to target key militants in Pakistan should be handed over to his country.

They have been very controversial always," he said. "I personally believe that drones should be given to Pakistan because the sensitivity is American troops or any foreign troops coming into Pakistan."

The question on so many minds — where is Usama bin Laden? — remains unanswered. Musharraf has doubts whether bin Laden has survived the eight harsh years since 9/11.

“There is even a doubt whether he is alive," he told FOX News. "Because right in the beginning he was a dialysis patient, he was a kidney patient; therefore I wonder if he is alive. “

The past few years have been a tumultuous time for Pakistan, with the assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto in late 2007, followed by Musharraf's stepping down in 2008.

Musharraf came to power in a 1999 coup but left power last year amid threats of impeachment by the opposition party in connection with his imposition of a state of emergency in 2007.

He is traveling on the lecture circuit now, focusing on winning the war against extremism.

He believes a combination of military might and political solutions will ultimately destroy the Taliban, a disparate band of militants with no front line. He says they are digging their own grave by making Pakistanis turn away from them.

He cited Pakistan's Swat Valley, where the Taliban had a stronghold but were recently defeated by the Pakistani army. The Taliban's "very cruel behaviour in Swat" — including the harsh imposition of religious law and the slaughter of innocents — appalled the entire nation of 172 million people and bound it together behind the army, he told FOX News.

"Now all the people of Pakistan and also the media is combined, is united, asking the army to defeat them."

Pakistan is united and remains an American ally, but a growing divide is emerging because Pakistanis generally don't like the U.S., Musharraf said.

“For 42 years, until '89, we were the strategic partners of the West," he told FOX News, noting the "lead role" of Pakistan in the Afghanistan War that lasted from 1979 until 1989.

"We defeated the Soviet Union together," he said, attributing the end of the Cold War in large part to the victory over the U.S.S.R. in Afghanistan.

"Then what happened after 1989 is the question," he said. "We were left high and dry" as tribal warfare raged in Afghanistan and 30,000 mujahideen holed up there, forming the central cells of Al Qaeda.

The U.S. also turned away from Pakistan in the intervening years, he said.

"There was a strategic shift in the United States where they shifted towards India, which was always with the East, and never with the West.”

Sanctions were also imposed on both nations for developing nuclear weapons, further aggravating Pakistan, though those sanctions were lifted after 9/11.

Despite the internal tension, Musharraf says he developed a strong friendship with former President George W. Bush, whom he called "a very good man" and "a good friend."

"I think President Bush was a very sincere person, he was a very straight-talking, upright man," he said. "I like that in a man. A man who can look into your eyes and talk straight. ...

"In the military, my experience shows if you look into the eyes of a person ... you can see from the glint in their eyes whether they like the man or not. I think everyone (who worked for him) loved him.”

Musharraf says the Muslim world is now waiting with bated breath to see what President Obama can deliver.

"President Obama has said that he will develop better, closer relations with Muslims, and I think he has been welcomed in the Muslim world," he said.

"The Muslim world was very upbeat about his election. Having said that, he must deliver ... (and) I think it is a tough job that he faces to deliver on all that he has been talking.

"Muslims expect the United States to play a very fair role, an impartial role to deliver justice to the Islamic world
," he said.
 
My guess is that it would include helicopters (transport and attack) as these are deemed essential -- and while we don't generally think of them, earth moving and road building equipment OUGHT to be included.
 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon has proposed transferring U.S. military equipment from Iraq to Pakistani security forces to help Islamabad step up its offensive against the Taliban, according to officials and government documents.:chilli:

The Pentagon request for the authority to "transfer articles no longer needed in Iraq" to the army of Pakistan received a cool reception in the U.S. Congress, where some questioned what safeguards would ensure the arms would not end up being diverted to Pakistan's border with India, a nuclear-armed power like Pakistan.:hitwall:

The inclusion of Pakistan in the request, along with Iraq and Afghanistan, underscored the high priority the Pentagon places on freeing up equipment the Pakistani army says it needs to mount ground operations in South Waziristan and other Taliban strongholds bordering Afghanistan.

But the push-back from Capitol Hill also put a spotlight on deep congressional skepticism about aiding Pakistani security services which some still see as playing both sides in Washington's war with the Taliban.

In addition to the possibility of transfers from Iraq, the Pentagon is considering expanding programs under which Washington procures equipment for Pakistani forces through third governments, or leases them U.S. equipment at nominal rates, sources briefed on the discussions said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

The Pentagon declined to comment on Pakistan's inclusion in the proposal, first raised with key congressional committees in June.

Under the proposal, Defense Secretary Robert Gates would have the authority to "transfer both excess and non-excess defense stocks, along with defense services in connection with the transfers," to the three governments. He already has some authority to transfer equipment deemed as "excess."

The Pentagon did not say in its request to Congress what equipment would become eligible for transfer as U.S. forces gradually leave Iraq. U.S. combat troops pulled out of Iraqi cities and towns in June, and all U.S. forces are due to move out by the end of 2011.

Pentagon officials said a review was under way to determine what equipment could be left behind in Iraq and transferred to allies. "The secretary believes we've got to be more flexible, more responsive, more rapid in our dealings with friends and allies around the world, particularly militaries we're trying to develop quickly," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell.

COAXING PAKISTAN TO ACT

Gates has praised Pakistan's "success" in recent operations against militants in the Swat valley, northwest of Islamabad, and the Pentagon has made the procurement of more military equipment a priority, though officials says the effort is going slowly because some of the items are no longer in production.

While favored by Pakistan's military and political leaders, expanding U.S. military assistance is a highly contentious issue in the country due to widespread anti-U.S. sentiment.

One of Washington's concerns is that Pakistan will put off indefinitely a post-Swat push into South Waziristan, the main base for Pakistani Taliban fighters loyal to Baitullah Mehsud, who was killed in a CIA missile strike last month.

With U.S. troop strength growing in Afghanistan, the United States wants Pakistan to take hold of Waziristan and other Islamist militant enclaves on its side of the border and prevent Taliban fighters from crossing into Afghanistan.

The Pakistani army has been battling militants in parts of the northwest, but it has made clear to Washington that a major Waziristan offensive would likely have to wait months, possibly until spring, because of shortages of Cobra attack helicopters, protective gear, precision weapons and other equipment.

U.S. eyes military equipment in Iraq for Pakistan | Reuters
 
US fears Pak could target India with arms transferred from Iraq

The US Congress has raised questions over the Pentagon’s proposal to transfer military equipments from Iraq to Pakistan, by questioning whether adequate safeguards existed to ensure that these arms and ammunition do not end up being used by Pakistan against India.

The Congress questioned the ‘transfer of articles no longer needed in Iraq’ and expressed apprehensions that Islamabad may divert the armaments towards the Indian border.

According to sources, the Pentagon has proposed to transfer US military equipments from Iraq to Pakistan in order to help it counter the extremist threat effectively and step up its operation against the Taliban other militant groups based on its soil.

The Pentagon is also considering to expand the programs under which Washington acquires equipments for Pakistani security forces through other countries or leases them US equipment at nominal rates, The News reports.

Pakistan has long been saying that its forces require more sophisticated arms to take on the extremists in the ground operations in South Waziristan and other Taliban strongholds bordering Afghanistan.

The Pakistan Army is also pushing the Obama Administration to provide the drone technology if not the unmanned aircrafts, so that it could target the militant hideouts itself.
 
PA should get IED detection & neutralization equipment, sniper position finder equipment, Mine Protected Vehicles (Cougar kind), small caliber rifles, Multiple Grenade Launchers (Milkor MGL, Mk 19 & Mk 47 AGL), navigation equipment, bullet proof vests, lots of NVGs, AMR, powerful binoculars etc etc etc

Drones are very must to keep a nearly 24 hr watch on the area so that PA is aware of any potential ambush positions or IED emplacements & enemy movement.
 
PA should get IED detection & neutralization equipment, sniper position finder equipment, Mine Protected Vehicles (Cougar kind), small caliber rifles, Multiple Grenade Launchers (Milkor MGL, Mk 19 & Mk 47 AGL), navigation equipment, bullet proof vests, lots of NVGs, AMR, powerful binoculars etc etc etc

Drones are very must to keep a nearly 24 hr watch on the area so that PA is aware of any potential ambush positions or IED emplacements & enemy movement.

I 1001% agree with you. Pakistan army, paramilitary and police personal should be very well equipped.

My suggestion will be to recruit complete new breed of soldiers and officers. Who are judge by their extreme physical capabilities like hard core strength very quick speed not on their education capabilities.
 
I 1001% agree with you. Pakistan army, paramilitary and police personal should be very well equipped.

My suggestion will be to recruit complete new breed of soldiers and officers. Who are judge by their extreme physical capabilities like hard core strength very quick speed not on their education capabilities.

The army has a very well induction program in which physical strength & mental capability both are seen before officers are taken in to the PMA. Physical strength will be of no use if the officer can not think mentally & take decisions & make strategies. An officer is a blend of both. Plus, physical strength comes through regular exercise, that is where PA should focus, to get in shape the officer rank & ORs with regular tough exercises to help them in their operational duties. Few days back was looking at a Chinese video of troops doing a very tough obstacle course with Indian Army guys & American Marines, although they very small in size, but man they were fast & athletic. Many of the Chinese would clear the full obstacle course before the Indians or American Marines or finish neck to neck.

SSG commandos are tough because they are made to do hell of physical exercises, in PMA also all the cadets are slim & smart & have very good physical strength & stamina. But once they get into the army, some keep themselves fit to the end, some become lazy & get fat, some stay in the mid. There should be minimum physical criteria which the officers should meet through out their tenure in army applicable to age. This way they will remain fit for a long time.

I remember joining my dad when he would be leading his unit on a long march, held once in a month in Lahore. 15KM or so walk in a specified time period.
 
US Marines VS Chinese Marines

 
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The army has a very well induction program in which physical strength & mental capability both are seen before officers are taken in to the PMA. Physical strength will be of no use if the officer can not think mentally & take decisions & make strategies. An officer is a blend of both. Plus, physical strength comes through regular exercise, that is where PA should focus, to get in shape the officer rank & ORs with regular tough exercises to help them in their operational duties. Few days back was looking at a Chinese video of troops doing a very tough obstacle course with Indian Army guys & American Marines, although they very small in size, but man they were fast & athletic. Many of the Chinese would clear the full obstacle course before the Indians or American Marines or finish neck to neck.

SSG commandos are tough because they are made to do hell of physical exercises, in PMA also all the cadets are slim & smart & have very good physical strength & stamina. But once they get into the army, some keep themselves fit to the end, some become lazy & get fat, some stay in the mid. There should be minimum physical criteria which the officers should meet through out their tenure in army applicable to age. This way they will remain fit for a long time.

I remember joining my dad when he would be leading his unit on a long march, held once in a month in Lahore. 15KM or so walk in a specified time period.

Then again I agree with you 1001%
But army and SSG should not be used. It gave a negative image we all ready seen that. How much army trying but its negative image is growing just because of operation?

I agree with you officer think mentally is needed but this can be done by testing them in real life test simulations not solving papers.
There should be another force made from stat. that recruitment procedure not revolve around education but on tuff physical and mental exercises.
 

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