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Our T155 Firtina artilerry effective than their sukhoi at Syria :D what a shame for teddy bear Russia


No doubt about it.

Malaysian airforce have Mig fighters with Israel avionics, what the fuckkkkk? Are they really bad?
 
Our T155 Firtina artilerry effective than their sukhoi at Syria :D what a shame for teddy bear Russia

If our howitzer is effective than their Sukhoi's,why the hell we can't stop ypg??
 
If our howitzer is effective than their Sukhoi's,why the hell we can't stop ypg??

because of political will..

we should have build up a no fly zone before russians would have entered syria.. we should have started to build a wall years ago.. we should have armed and trained Turkmens with all kind of weapons.. specially to protect the zone..

sometimes you just have to do something and build something then dont forget to bring there your camera man to show what you did
 
because of political will..

we should have build up a no fly zone before russians would have entered syria.. we should have started to build a wall years ago.. we should have armed and trained Turkmens with all kind of weapons.. specially to protect the zone..

sometimes you just have to do something and build something then dont forget to bring there your camera man to show what you did
We are talking about effectiveness of T-155 and Sukhoi bombers.Political issues are not the fact.

Single T-155 can(this is not a certain information) use 155 mm MKE MOD 274 HEER munition which have 45 kgs warhead.We are firing them from long distance also.This will affect precision as well.

Sukhoi bombers using FAB-250 free fall bombs with 107 kgs war head and pilots can release it by sight since there is no signicant air defence....
 
Turkey Weighs MEADS as Air Defense Option

ANKARA, Turkey — After dropping an earlier decision to acquire the country’s first long-range air- and anti-missile defense system from a Chinese contractor, Turkey’s procurement authorities are considering purchasing the Medium Extended Air Defense System (MEADS).

The United States, Germany and Italy developed the ground-mobile air and missile defense system to replace the Patriot missile system through a NATO program.

As Turkey feels increasingly uneasy over threats in its region, a political and military understanding is emerging that a quick solution is needed on an air defense architecture, officials here said.

“We are facing a multitude of threats and may not have the luxury to wait for several years before an indigenous development program materializes,” said one senior security official.

After scrapping a three-way, US-European-Chinese competition last November, Turkey’s procurement bureaucracy tasked two local firms, military electronics specialist Aselsan and missile maker Roketsan, with developing the system.

But industry sources said indigenous development could take 10 years or longer.

Turkey has felt threatened especially after Russia significantly reinforced its military deployment in the eastern Mediterranean, Syria and the Caspian Sea. Turkey and Russia are fighting a proxy war in Syria.

The Russian reinforcements, including the installation of S-400 ground-to-air missile systems, have intensified since Nov. 24 when Turkish F-16 jets shot down a Russian Su-24 that Turkey claimed violated its airspace along the border with Syria.

Russia immediately announced a slew of commercial and other sanctions but President Vladimir Putin also hinted there could be military retaliation when he said the Russian sanctions would not be limited to “commerce and economy only.”


“Shifting geopolitical balances in the region dictate that a system like MEADS may earn a priority tag in Ankara,” said the security official.

A senior procurement official confirmed that MEADS could help Turkey create meaningful air defense coverage.

“Particularly its phase-array radar that provides 360 degrees coverage looks appealing,” he said.

The official said that recently, top procurement officials “unofficially” discussed a possible acquisition with MEADS’ German partners.

The preliminary talks centered on MEADS’ technological features, another official said.

“The system may fit our requirements … in covering as large an area as possible with fewer systems,” he said.

An industry source said: “Clearly with the cancellation of T-LORAMIDS [the Chinese system selected in 2013] by Turkey, additional alternative systems are options. Germans are talking to Turkey about the benefits of MEADS, with further discussions planned. MEADS capabilities and an industrial cooperation model are a good fit for their desired path forward.”

A defense analyst said that if talks matured further, Turkey could be inclined to buy up to four systems.

The senior procurement official did not elaborate on the modality of a potential contract but also did not rule out the possibility of a direct, off-the-shelf purchase without international bidding.

“It is too early to talk about the modality,” he said.

Defencenews.
 
Can anyone reply? @ Cabatli_53 etc.

1. What are the current available air defence system turkey have to counter the immediate threats from Russia and Iran?
2. Do Turkey have its own Patriot system purchased from USA same as Saudi has done, as it looks the so called NATO "Allies" of Turkey are removing their Patriot systems from Turkish soil n making Turkey a soft target for Rusian-Iranian-Assad terrorist triangle.
3. Are there not even a fewer HISAR A & O system fully operational?
4. Is it possible that Saudi can shift some of its patriot system to Turkey?
5. Are the available Hawk missiles capable of countering advanced Russian aircraft? How many missiles and launchers are there?
6. Can f-16 survive dog fight with Sukhois?
7. Can F-16 dodge S-400 using available ECCM pods?
8. To what extent Turkish "KORAL Ground-Based Jammer" with 150km range be effective/useful in a war scenario against Russian hi-tech weapons?
 

If you want to be answered, you should be more carefully.
This questions are very simple for the Master Cabatli53 :) It is not his level.

Every aprentice member of this forum like me knows :

1) F-16s, Frigates with SM1 -RAM-CIWS, AWACS, HAWKs , Rapier,Stingers,Igla's, etc.
2)NO
3) At this moment NO.
4) Saudi's know. You should ask to Saudi's members,
5)Yes.
6)Yes. 3 times.Why do you think their SU more advanced? SU-30 isnt more advanced than f-16 block c-d.
7)Yes. They have already been used in the USA.
8) Which high tech weapons? Do they have high tech?
 
If you want to be answered, you should be more carefully.
This questions are very simple for the Master Cabatli53 :) It is not his level.

Every aprentice member of this forum like me knows :

1) F-16s, Frigates with SM1 -RAM-CIWS, AWACS, HAWKs , Rapier,Stingers,Igla's, etc.
2)NO
3) At this moment NO.
4) Saudi's know. You should ask to Saudi's members,
5)Yes.
6)Yes. 3 times.Why do you think their SU more advanced? SU-30 isnt more advanced than f-16 block c-d.
7)Yes. They have already been used in the USA.
8) Which high tech weapons? Do they have high tech?

Nothing to add. All was answered.
Except, Turkish Hawks XXI Mim 23 are capable for limited BM defence.
Some sources claimed that some
Turkish F-16 s can engage Cruise missiles and some ballustic missiles in end trajectory phase.
???? I don't know only LOS or with AESA radars???
 
I'll try. But obviously Turkish officials want our current arsenal to be secret since there is very limited second hand available information on this. But it's a quite good read, recommended.

Article:
There continues to be a considerable amount of confusion about Turkish air defenses, its ongoing efforts to build a cruise missile, and its stocks of foreign supplied missiles. As part of the current government’s plan to improve the country’s domestic arms industry, Turkey has announced plans to develop its own cruise and ballistic missiles. A cruise missile uses an air breathing engine and does not leave the atmosphere. Typically, the missiles have a low trajectory, are relatively slow, and are designed to have a very low radar cross section. A ballistic missile uses a rocket engine and is capable of leaving the atmosphere, thus having a ballistic trajectory.

Cruise Missiles

Israel sold Turkey 46 AGM-142A/Popeye-1 cruise missiles in 2002. The missile has an 80 km range and is designed for delivery by Turkey’s Israeli upgraded F-4s.

France sold Turkey 25 MM-38 Exocet anti-ship cruise missiles in 2000. They have a range of 40 km.

Turkey also has a large number of Harpoon anti-ship cruise missiles. The American made weapon has been the backbone of Turkey’s coastal defense. They are deployed on Turkish frigates.

The Stand off Munition (SOM)- The SOM is Turkey’s first indigenous effort to build its own cruise missile. According to TUBITAK, “the missile has a range over 180 km and it has a specially designed body to avoid detection from air defense radars. It is able to follow the waypoints and terrain contours and make route corrections accordingly. To aid with the missile’s tightly coupled INS and GPS mid course guidance system, a Terrain Referenced Navigation (TRN) system has also been incorporated. Even if the GPS signal is jammed or interrupted, with the help of this system, the missile can get position updates using the terrain data preloaded to its computer. On its terminal phase, the missile matches the image from its imaging infrared (IIR) seeker with the one loaded during mission planning, hits the target with a few meters accuracy and destroys it with its high explosive warhead. The missile has been developed to be used with F-4E 2020 and F-16 Block 40 aircrafts of Turkish Air Force. In addition, the work related with the certification of the missile to F-35 aircraft has recently been started.”

As is the case with the Popeye, the SOM is an air-to-surface missile designed to destroy land and sea targets. The range suggests that Turkey had the Missile Technology Control Regime Regulations in mind while designing the weapon. Thus, Turkey might try and export the SOM in the future. However, there has been little information released about the use of SOM in combat or the results of its tests.

Moreover, missile’s range should be taken with a grain of salt. For example, “the range may be understated depending on whether or not it’s calculated on the basis of a low flight profile all the way from launch to the target or a high altitude one, where fuel is more efficiently used due to thinner air. On the other hand, it has a rather small overall weight (600 kg), implying that only so much fuel can be stuffed into the missile, thus limiting its overall range.” (Information obtained from a private conversation with cruise missile expert – another side note – I have tried to talk to people from TUBITAK on multiple occasions about the SOM, but they have thus far refused to even answer my emails.)

Ballistic Missiles

Turkey does not have any long range ballistic missiles, though the government has announced that it has plans to develop one in the future. On the surface, the program makes absolutely no sense, considering that ballistic missiles have very little military value when armed with conventional warheads. Thus, I have no idea what the mission requirements would be for a Turkish ballistic missile.

However, the missile could be used as a platform for a satellite launch vehicle. I would assume that this is the ultimate goal of the project, though the Turkish government’s opacity makes this difficult to discern. If interested in reading more about the topic clickhere.

Turkey’s Roketsan has been working on the “J” program to develop short range ballistic missiles, though little information is available about the project. To date, Turkey appears to have developed the J-600 T Yildirim. The missile was a joint project between Roketsan and China’s CPMIEC. The missile is based on China’s WS-1 battlefield ballistic missile, and thus probably has a range of about 150 km. It is reported to use both an inertial guidance system and GPS. The exact weight of the warhead is unknown, though it has been reported to be either 150 kg or 450 kg. (Click here for more info). There are reports of longer range variants, though the information is inconsistent. I have a feeling the program is part of Turkey’s larger efforts to develop a longer range ballistic missile and not really driven by military need. As is the case with most of Turkey’s military programs, more information is needed.

Turkish surface-to-air defenses

Turkey has imported the American made FIM-43C Redeye from both Germany and the United States. The missile is a man portable device that preceded the development of the widely used stinger missile. I am not sure if the missile is still used. In any case, it has a range of 4500 meters.

Turkey first imported the UK made Rapier in the early 1980s. In the early 2000s, Turkey contracted with the suppliers to upgrade the SAM systems. They are now dubbed the Rapier 2000, which has a range out to 6,800 meters. The Rapier-2000 radar “has maximum detection range in excess of 15km. An optional range of 32km is available. The Blindfire tracking radar, supplied by Alenia Marconi Systems, is a differential monopulse frequency agile radar operating at F-band which provides fully automatic all-weather engagement. The output is sufficiently powerful to burn through most jamming signals and the radar uses advanced frequency management techniques to evade jamming and other hostile electronic countermeasures. The system incorporates a self-surveillance reversionary mode of operation. A dedicated missile command link provides dual firing capability. Turkey’s blind fire radars were also imported and upgraded along with the Rapier.”

Turkey also imported the American made I-HAWK MIM 23-B in 2005. While the U.S. has replaced the system with Patriot, Turkey continues to use the system. It has a range of 25 km and a ceiling of 17700 meters.

The Future

Turkey has made vague references to its missile future. However, I would assume that the next phase will likely be to extend the range of the SOM. For nonproliferation people, this should be of note because of the potential for export and the possibilities of undermining the MTCR. I would also assume that the SOM’s development will have implications for Turkey’s drone program. The turbofan engine could be of use for both programs. (The ANKA UAV does not have a turbofan engine). Lastly, Ankara appears intent on building both satellites and longer range ballistic missiles. As many of you probably already know, Ankara is building two military satellites. It appears as if Turkey wants the capability to launch the satellites itself. However, Turkish statements indicate that Ankara is interested in both an SLV and a long range ballistic missile. The missiles have almost no military value, thus Ankara should expect a lot of scrutiny about this project. Turkey should be more transparent about its missile plans. It loses nothing by announcing its plans and making more information available to the tax-paying public and the international community.

*Turkey has an impressive number of anti-tank missiles, as well as air-to-air missiles that I did not include in this discussion.
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Turkish Air Defence Systems
(Foreign and Domestic Systems in Use or Being Developed by Turkey)
Turkish Air Defence System Categories:
  • Very Short Range (0 - 8 Km): Korkut, Zipkin/Atilgan, Stinger MANPADS, M42 Duster, M51 Skysweeper, 20mm Oerlikon, 35mm Oerlikon, 40 mm Bofors, 20mm Rheinmetal. Hisar MANPADS.
  • Short Range: (0 - 15 Km): Hisar - A, and Rapier.
  • Medium Range (0 - 40 Km): Hisar O, and MIM-23 Hawk
  • Long Range (0 - 120 Km): T-LORAMIDS

Korkut 35mm SPAAG

Hisar - A

Hisar - O

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Command and Control System (FNSS ACV-30)

Zipkin (Left) and Atilgan (Right)

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Upgraded 35mm Oerlikon

Bro Atılgan is a surface to surface missile. Please correct the mistake, you are lowering the quality of the forum.

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Azarbeijan has 3 s-300 PMU2 systems, operated fully by Azerbeijan without foreign interference. Isn't it waste if Turkish engineers from Aselsan or Roketsan aren't sent there and inspect the propulsion, gas-dynamic systems, command and control systems, surveillance/detection radar also known as 64N6E (Big Bird), fire control/illumination and guidance radar?

Of course Russia wouldn't have to know all of this since these systems belong to Azerbaijan as per their contract of transaction. If we aren't already doing this, i don't see any reason as to why we shouldn't do this
 
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