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A wealthy and well-connected Chinese businessman living in the US is stoking US-China tensions, The New York Times reports, saying "he could become one of the most damaging defectors in the history of the People’s Republic."

That businessman, Ling Wancheng, is the brother of Ling Jihua, who was a top aide to former Chinese President Hu Jintao and might be seeking asylum in the US.

Unnamed US officials confirmed to The Times that Ling Wancheng is in the US, where he reportedly owns a $2.5 million home in the Sierra Nevada foothills in California.

Wancheng is thought to possess damaging information about the Chinese government that would in turn be useful intelligence to the US. Christopher Johnson, a former CIA analyst focusing on China, told The Times that China would "want this guy badly."

"There’s no question that he would have access to a lot of interesting things," Johnson said.

The Times notes that Wancheng "may be in possession of embarrassing information about current and former officials loyal to" Chinese President Xi Jinping.

The Communist Party in China appears to believe that corruption runs in the Ling family. Some of Wancheng's business deals are in question, and Ling Jihua has run into trouble himself.

In 2012, Ling Jihua's son was killed driving a black Ferrari that crashed in Beijing. A woman in the car with him also died.

Ling Jihua tried to cover up the incident, according to The Times. He was demoted and the government started investigating him for corruption in 2014, The Times said. His brother Wancheng then came under suspicion. But while his brother was closely watched, Wancheng apparently had more freedom.

Beijing now wants the US to send Ling Wancheng back to China, but Washington wants evidence of his alleged crimes.

Wancheng is an interesting figure. The South China Morning Post published a profile of him in December detailing how Wancheng got swept up in the corruption investigation. He was reportedly a journalist before he became a businessman and was well known for his gold fame.

He often used pseudonyms to mask his identity and family ties, according to The Post.

Wancheng's whereabouts are unclear. His neighbors in California said they haven't seen him since October, which is when The Post reported that he was arrested. It also reported that he traveled to the US but then went back to China.

The Wall Street Journal noted in December that Wancheng was detained sometime in the fall.

Nevertheless, several officials confirmed to The Times that he's in the US.

The real target of the investigation appears to be Ling Jihua. But Wancheng might have used the family's power to his advantage as well.

All of this comes ahead of President Xi's visit to the US in September. Wancheng's status seems to be making relations more tense between the two countries, and it's unclear if the US would comply with a request to send Wancheng back to China.

Slate's Joshua Keating pointed out that Chinese exiles could be an intelligence boon for the US since well-connected defectors could possess information that would help the US.

"The Obama administration is reportedly in search of ways to retaliate for China’s ongoing hacking of US systems, including the alleged theft of millions of Americans’ personal data from the Office of Personnel Management last month," Keating wrote.

"It’s not clear what [Wancheng] knows, but given what’s happened to his family over the past year, he certainly has a motive for spilling the beans, and will likely find a receptive audience," he said.

While Wancheng's visa status is unclear, a spokesman for the US Citizenship and Immigration Services told The Times that an asylum seeker can stay legally in the US while the case is settled, which usually takes one to three years.

China defector Ling Wancheng reportedly living in California - Business Insider
 
This has the potential to be a significant intelligence haul. Not only would he have info on the CCP, but if he's aware of the corrupt inner workings of the CCP, the CIA could use that to blackmail CCP officials.
 
This has the potential to be a significant intelligence haul. Not only would he have info on the CCP, but if he's aware of the corrupt inner workings of the CCP, the CIA could use that to blackmail CCP officials.


Will this man be given citizenship for this?
 
All he can blackmail is Wen Jiabao and his family.

BTW, good riddance, we are really getting tired of this old dog and his greedy family.

When his brother Ling Jihua is going down, then he is definitely going to drag Wen Jiabao's family along with him.

The US media had already betrayed Wen Jiabao by exposing his family's net worth, and it looks like they are going to do this again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/b...bao-holds-a-hidden-fortune-in-china.html?_r=0
 
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Will this man be given citizenship for this?

Not sure, but he'll probably get asylum if he hands over everything he knows about the CCP.

All he can blackmail is Wen Jiabao and his family.

BTW, good riddance, we are really getting tired of this old dog and his greedy family.

When his brother Ling Jihua is going down, then he is definitely going to drag Wen Jiabao's family along with him.

The US media had already betrayed Wen Jiabao by exposing his family's net worth, and it looks like they are going to do this again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/business/global/family-of-wen-jiabao-holds-a-hidden-fortune-in-china.html?_r=0

You missed the part where he may have info on current and former officials loyal to Xi.
 
You missed the part where he may have info on current and former officials loyal to Xi.

You're evidently not familiar with Chinese politics. All info LWC has comes from his brother LJH. LJH was prominent in the Hu administration and is intimately familiar with that clique. However, LJH has been sidelined ever since 2012 and has never held a sensitive positive with Xi's administration. The decision to purge him was not made recently, but years ago and since then LJH has been kept totally out of the loop.

So his brother could potentially spill a lot of info on Wen Jiabao, etc. But as @ChineseTiger1986 mentioned, WJB has already been exposed. It would be like exposing Clinton's dirty laundry again, lol.
 
You missed the part where he may have info on current and former officials loyal to Xi.

I think you may not be familiar with the inner factions within CPC.

Ling Jihua has more connection with Zhou Yongkang (already in the jail) and Wen Jiabao.

Zhou is already a dead fish, then the next one will obviously be Wen Jiabao, your liberal ally within CPC.
 
Not sure, but he'll probably get asylum if he hands over everything he knows about the CCP.

Political asylum and fast tracked permanent resident status , would be suffice. This way it shows to the world that American will offer her blessings to those who would side with the HyperPower.

It would encourage would be interventionists to trust in America's good graces, if you may.
 
Political asylum and fast tracked permanent resident status , would be suffice. This way it shows to the world that American will offer her blessings to those who would side with the HyperPower.

It would encourage would be interventionists to trust in America's good graces, if you may.

Well, Wen Jiabao also used to trust the US and sided with them.

However, he didn't expect that his US ally could betray him so fast.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/b...bao-holds-a-hidden-fortune-in-china.html?_r=0
 
Not sure, but he'll probably get asylum if he hands over everything he knows about the CCP.


You missed the part where he may have info on current and former officials loyal to Xi.


Nothing new in all this. The amount of corruption in the higher echelons of the leadership of the CCP can only be speculated on. And its not even a new phenomenon. The amount of "hot money" that has moved out of China is humongous, most of it to N.America. One of the "Princelings" set up shop in USA piggy-backing on major Chinese Govt. owned Transportation Corpns. I had an association with the N.American end (which was listed on Wall Street) for over a decade. The money came in by truck-loads and ship-loads.
 
Political asylum and fast tracked permanent resident status , would be suffice. This way it shows to the world that American will offer her blessings to those who would side with the HyperPower.

It would encourage would be interventionists to trust in America's good graces, if you may.

Xi's anti-corruption campaign could backfire on him, if the US makes clear that CCP officials can gain political asylum if they hand over what they know.

Nothing new in all this. The amount of corruption in the higher echelons of the leadership of the CCP can only be speculated on. And its not even a new phenomenon. The amount of "hot money" that has moved out of China is humongous, most of it to N.America. One of the "Princelings" set up shop in USA piggy-backing on major Chinese Govt. owned Transportation Corpns. I had an association with the N.American end (which was listed on Wall Street) for over a decade. The money came in by truck-loads and ship-loads.

I'd be surprised if the CIA doesn't already have moles in the CCP simply based off CCP corruption alone.
 
Xi's anti-corruption campaign could backfire on him, if the US makes clear that CCP officials can gain political asylum if they hand over what they know.

I'd be surprised if the CIA doesn't already have moles in the CCP simply based off CCP corruption alone.

Not a surprising possibility at all. The 'super-investments' have always been a matter of great interest..... and not only by the IRS. Over the years the Big Fish had gotten even more brazen, basking in the 'bonhomie' that was present then; now the pendulum seems to have swung the other way. That, coupled with the state of economic flux existing now; will cause many sweaty palms.
 
All he can blackmail is Wen Jiabao and his family.

BTW, good riddance, we are really getting tired of this old dog and his greedy family.

When his brother Ling Jihua is going down, then he is definitely going to drag Wen Jiabao's family along with him.

The US media had already betrayed Wen Jiabao by exposing his family's net worth, and it looks like they are going to do this again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/b...bao-holds-a-hidden-fortune-in-china.html?_r=0
You missed the point of this being an intelligence treasure for US. This is far far less about individuals than it is about the structures of relationships inside the Party. Why care about the sailors when you can access the plans for the entire sub ?
 
You missed the point of this being an intelligence treasure for US. This is far far less about individuals than it is about the structures of relationships inside the Party. Why care about the sailors when you can access the plans for the entire sub ?

That is precisely the crux of the matter. In a "Brotherhood of Thieves" everybody has the goods on nearly everybody else. Then it gets really hard to predict where the dominos will fall.
 

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