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The U.S.-Saudi crackup reachesa dramatic tipping point

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The strange thing about the crackup in U.S.-Saudi relations is that it has been on the way for more than two years, like a slow-motion car wreck, but nobody in Riyadh or Washington has done anything decisive to avert it.

The breach became dramatic over the past week. Last Friday, Saudi Arabia refused to take its seat on the United Nations Security Council, in what Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi intelligence chief, described as “a message for the U.S., not the U.N,” according to the Wall Street Journal. On Tuesday, Prince Turki al-Faisal, a former head of Saudi intelligence, voiced “a high level of disappointment in the U.S. government’s dealings” on Syria and the Palestinian issue, in an interview with Al-Monitor.

What should worry the Obama administration is that Saudi concern about U.S. policy in the Middle East is shared by the four other traditional U.S. allies in the region: Egypt, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Israel. They argue (mostly privately) that Obama has shredded U.S. influence by dumping President Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, backing the Muslim Brotherhood’s Mohamed Morsi, opposing the coup that toppled Morsi, vacillating in its Syria policy, and now embarking on negotiations with Iran — all without consulting close Arab allies.

Saudi King Abdullah privately voiced his frustration with U.S. policy in a lunch in Riyadh Monday with King Abdullah of Jordan and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed of the U.A.E., according to a knowledgeable Arab official. The Saudi monarch “is convinced the U.S. is unreliable,” this official said. “I don’t see a genuine desire to fix it” on either side, he added.

The Saudis’ pique, in turn, has reinforced the White House’s frustration that Riyadh is an ungrateful and sometimes petulant ally. When Secretary of State John Kerry was in the region a few weeks ago, he asked to visit Bandar. The Saudi prince is said to have responded that he was on his way out of the kingdom, but that Kerry could meet him at the airport. This response struck U.S. officials as high-handed.

Saudi Arabia obviously wants attention, but what’s surprising is the White House’s inability to convey the desired reassurances over the past two years. The problem was clear in the fall of 2011, when I was told by Saudi officials in Riyadh that they increasingly regarded the U.S. as unreliable and would look elsewhere for their security. Obama’s reaction to these reports was to be peeved that the Saudis didn’t recognize all that the U.S. was doing to help their security, behind the scenes. The president was right on the facts but wrong on the atmospherics.

The bad feeling that developed after Mubarak’s ouster deepened month by month: The U.S. supported Morsi’s election as president; opposed a crackdown by the monarchy in Bahrain against Shiites protesters; cut aid to the Egyptian military after it toppled Morsi and crushed the Brotherhood; promised covert aid to the Syrian rebels it never delivered; threatened to bomb Syria and then allied with Russia, instead; and finally embarked on a diplomatic opening to Iran, Saudi Arabia’s deadly rival in the Gulf.

The policies were upsetting; but the deeper damage resulted from the Saudi feeling that they were being ignored — and even, in their minds, double crossed. In the traditional Gulf societies, any such sense of betrayal can do lasting damage, yet the administration let the problems fester.

“Somebody needs to get on an airplane right now and go see the king,” said a former top U.S. official who knows the Saudis well. The Saudi king is “very tribal,” in his outlook, this official noted, and in his mind, “your word is your bond.” It’s that sense of trust that has been damaged in the kingdom’s dealings with Obama. One good emissary would be John Brennan, the CIA director, who was station chief in Riyadh in the late 1990s and had a good relationship with the Saudi monarch. Another would be George Tenet, former CIA director, who visited the kingdom often and also developed a trusting relationship with Abdullah.

For much of the past two years, the closest thing the U.S. had to a back channel with Saudi Arabia was Tom Donilon, the national security adviser until last June. He traveled to the kingdom occasionally to pass private messages to Abdullah; those meetings didn’t heal the wounds, but they at least staunched the bleeding. But Susan Rice, Donilon’s successor, has not played a similar bridging role.

The administration’ lack of communication with the Saudis and other Arab allies is mystifying at a time when the U.S. is exploring new policy initiatives, such as working with the Russians on dismantling chemical weapons in Syria and negotiating a possible nuclear deal with Iran. Those U.S. policy initiatives are sound, in the view of many analysts (including me), but they worry the Saudis and others—making close consultation all the more important.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-saudi-crackup-hits-a-dramatic-tipping-point/
 
A dumb nation who elected a dumber president, nothing better should be expected.

He’d be a good president for you if he bombs Syria & Iran, if people take that reason into count then your opinion about Obama turns into trash.
 
A dumb nation who elected a dumber president, nothing better should be expected.

Regardless of the policies Obama adopts overseas, there have been a lot of critisim on his domestic policies.

The Saudis can't afford losing the US, and doubly is said to the US on Saudi. Obama won't remain in the White House forever, but the Saudis won't line up with another liberal in the coming elections.
 
He’d be a good president for you if he bombs Syria & Iran, if people take that reason into count then your opinion about Obama turns into trash.

Why harassing him much?

No, Obama won't " bomb " Iran . Both of Iran and Saudi will eventually understand that sorting their affairs on their own is way better than what we are seeing now.
 
Regardless of the policies Obama adopts overseas, there have been a lot of critisim on his domestic policies.

The Saudis can't afford losing the US, and doubly is said to the US on Saudi. Obama won't remain in the White House forever, but the Saudis won't line up with another liberal in the coming elections.

Obama is damaging US national interest for sure with his strange and inconsistent foreign policy. All he cares about is healthcare for poor disenfranchised Americans, which is a worthy cause, but in my opinion he falls short of understanding global geopolitics and picks people whose opinion are similar to his. And guess why he is so adamant on this issue of Affordable Healthcare Act, because it concerns his tribal brethren.

It is not just here in Mid-east, in South Asia also he is making a similar mess. I think his admin and ambassador are trying to keep Awami League in power in Bangladesh, against the wishes of the majority population, because "secular" pro-India Awami League convinced the US that they are against Islam and will fight terror, whereas there is no "terror" in Bangladesh. And I don't need to mention the drone wars in Pakistan and Yemen, which are legitimate War Crimes according to International Law per Amnesty International.

I think there will not be another "Minority" president for a long time to come, majority people in the US will remember this strange experience. Even G W Bush, a real dimwit, was more consistent that this idiot.
 
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The Saudi's will pour in money in 2016 to their blood brothers the GoP and it will all be good once again. Historically, they have not gotten along with Dems anyway.
 
Why's Saudi Arabia doing all this drama? The war's over in Syria. Americans have surrendered and the Russians have secured the country for their strategic purposes.

I wonders whether Saudi Arabia is making all this noise and looking for excuses to retaliate against the Russians with some insurgencies in Tatarstan, Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan?
 
Anyone who has half an ounce of decency left would not want to be friendly with the Saudis. The reason the US sucked up to the Saudis was oil. Now that the US is less and less dependent on the Saudi oil because of fracking, the US is naturally turning its back on the Saudis.

The culture, the outlook, the laws, the political systems of the two countries are so fundamentally different that a comfortable relationship is just not possible.
 
Saudi Arabia (and Turkey) got involved in Syria with an impression that their ally will be on their side when needed. But the ally never got its hands dirty, kept aloof and now half way through the war, this ally has found itself convenient to back out. This ally should never be trusted again. Yes, this ally cannot be replaced immediately, because of obvious reasons, but the long term plan should be there to move away from this ally. Otherwise, the future of the monarchies in GCC will be in jeopardy. Another proof that Obama bungled in Syria big time:
http://www.businessinsider.com/worst-case-scenario-for-the-us-in-syria-2013-10

Is China going to be replacing US as the next great ally? I don't think so. It is always a mistake to put all eggs in one basket. It is better to spread around economic and security relationship. Too much dependence on one or two entity, whether they are large Muslim nations or non-Muslim global power, is never a good thing. But it is also a good time to forge greater relationship between large Sunni Muslim countries from near and far. Turkey is also not happy with USA over Syria:
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Tu...ng-displeasure-over-US-policy-on-Syria-329715

@ Yzd Khalifa bro, is the war still winnable? Why are journalists sounding a pessimistic note? When will we see some action? Someone here is predicting a surrender by FSA:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/the_confluence_of_events_in_syria.html
 
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A dumb nation who elected a dumber president, nothing better should be expected.
The only ally that The Us consider as one, is the United Kingdom due the blood and history ties. To suggest that KSA alienation is counterproductive for the US is ridicule. The KSA, just like Qatar, is becoming like an annoying peebble in their shoes. It wouldn't surprise me that the actual King will be replaced in the coming weeks.
 
And any Canadian politician who has an ounce of decent left would not want to lick the Saudis' shoes.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/bus...lish-on-trade-relations-with-the-Kingdom.html

Just for the record, the US oil imports are in decrease gradually from all exporting countries including your crapy sand oil. In fact, as we speak, the US imports %10 of oil from KSA and the figure is in decline. And if you think, even for a second, that the relations both countries maintain with each other are based on " energy " then I'm afraid to say this, but, I think you might need some help. Maybe you don't know the hell you're talking about, just like many.


Anyone who has half an ounce of decency left would not want to be friendly with the Saudis. The reason the US sucked up to the Saudis was oil. Now that the US is less and less dependent on the Saudi oil because of fracking, the US is naturally turning its back on the Saudis.

The culture, the outlook, the laws, the political systems of the two countries are so fundamentally different that a comfortable relationship is just not possible.

In politics, culture, system of governance, and the outlook won't affect relations long as common goals, values, and mutual understandings are in line between both parties concerned, otherwise you wouldn't be seeing your leaders behaving well with us ;) ...
 
He’d be a good president for you if he bombs Syria & Iran, if people take that reason into count then your opinion about Obama turns into trash.

US is scared of Iran, it will never happen! ;)
 

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