Why are we not discussing this in our forum? we can get more attention there? this gets a bit off topic but anyway..
Yes i know who you are talking about, that girl that died during the last elections, neda sultan. I have seen her videos, it was all over the internet but to be honest it was a bit conspicuous. I just looked at it on youtube again, still a bit conspicuous.
that basij guy didn't go "crazy" if you know what I mean. I am pretty sure he was following instructions, but who's instructions that can be disputed. regime has many ways to disperse and even in america the police killed many in the occupy wall street clashes. Surely he acted on the instruction on the same guys that killed the nuclear scientists. who benefits from "innocent" protestor killed by x dictator. Dictator does not "win" nor does his support increase, the opposite happens. The West Benifits from her death the most. this is something they can influence more protestors with.
This documentary is from bbc farsi, remember what happened due to that channel(then radio) and the part it played in the propaganda for the '53 coupe of mosadeq's government? he was doing good things for the country, the oil industry was nationalized. that channel is directly responsible for shah reza. mosadeq was cruelly murdered.
look, I just pulled this out of ziopedia, so no dont say its regime propaganda
The British government used the BBC's Persian service for advancing its propaganda against Mosaddegh. Anti-Mosaddegh material were repeatedly aired on the radio channel to the extent that Iranian staff at the BBC Persian radio went on strike to protest the move[citation needed]. The documentary Cinematograph aired on 18 August 2011 on the anniversary of the coup. In it, BBC admitted for the first time to the role of BBC Persian radio as the propaganda arm of the British government in Iran. The Cinematograph narrator said:
"The British government used the BBC Persian radio for advancing its propaganda against Mosaddegh and anti-Mosaddegh material were repeatedly aired on the radio channel to the extent that Iranian staff at the BBC Persian radio went on strike to protest the move."
The documentary quoted a 21 July 1951 classified document in which a Foreign Office official thanked the British ambassador for his proposals that were precisely followed by the BBC Persian radio to strengthen its propaganda against Mosaddegh:
"The BBC had already made most of the points which you listed, but they were very glad to have an indication from you of what was likely to be most effective and will arrange their programme accordingly... We should also avoid direct attacks on the 'ruling classes' since it seems probable that we may want to deal with a government drawn from those classes should Mosaddegh fall."
how much are we to trust the "british governments propaganda arm in Iran" for the betterment or befit of Iran? this is the same channel responsible for the shah and the shah was a puppet for western interests.
okay, "green change" from tehrans green zone (and Europe)...
tell me what kind of changes, what kind of "we asked just more individual rights"
you are asking to remove the mollahs. come on, in a way or the other, thats what you mean. one you remove the mollahs that holds the ideology..what happens, you put a elected person, a few years later he may be easily corrupted and a few more years and iran will be the next turkey or saudi arabia petrol for oil or a hybrid between the both, like last time...how modern does the country have to be? a carbon copy of x country? after a certain degree of modernity you are looking towards westernization that will interfere and clash and scrape with the countries values... but how will the country getting "more" modern..what kind of modernity how will it help you get rich and happy? what will make you happy? Importing westerners in iran? having them marry our sons and daughters? open night clubs, sell alcohol in the open, women would be careless wh0res like the turks and what do you think we guys are going to go around and do? you can not have both at the same time this is not afghanistan, if you bring that change their the people will detest it, west does not target that kind of propaganda towards afghanistan that it does towards say iran, jordan, turkey, arabs, russis young people will eat up this rubbish.
this is a change that was brought on by a revolution, and this is a change that you can not bring without a revolution. how much change is that? big change." this is our business. not the business of anyone else." that's what somebody probably said last time as well in '53.
Where did that end? in '79 and the country is still suffering from the "identity crisis" fall out of that. modernity and westernization is two different things, you are mixing them. the country needs the sanctions lifted to step ahead. we have two options "this green change" will remove all sanctions (overnight) or we can wait till the US dollar falls and US gets involved in the last and final war. the regime is needed. somebody must supervise.. not trying to offend...just how I see it and I understand you may disagree.
