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The real face of CPEC : Destroying Pakistani Industry

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You have raised very important and valid points which ALL Pakistanis must raise

CPEC is bringing in Investment but given the rate of Return promised to China
it will create a massive Out flow of dollars

The Benefits to Pakistan will come only if Pakistani exports increase

But the Expensive electricity that will be supplied by CPEC will
raise the cost of production

The Circular debt is already quite High
The external debt is growing

Pakistan needs to be very careful
 
IMO, it's not CPEC that is the problem but Pakistan's complete submission to China in such pacts. If Pakistan continues to be a complete sell out to the Chinese only they will suffer. Every news I have read seems to be so one sided. The whole project would have kick started the mood of the Pakistani economy if tenders were called and handed out to Pakistani companies. If China is getting everything, one can imagine the amount of corruption and kick-backs involved. CPEC helps Pakistan but it helps China more, why then should they have the cake and get to eat it too?

With Chinese products passing through the roads of Pakistan every day, there is no doubt that local industries will suffer. I think the general idea of CPEC is good but being a South Asian and knowing how corrupt our leadership can be, I don't think anything here is honky-dory. There is no transparency in the deals either, only meaning corruption is rampant and if this project fails it's mainly because Pakistan was a sellout!

China is just playing the role of an astute businessman.
 
out of the 1.25 BILLION Indians, the 50-100 or so eh see on pdf would be the only one's who would be aware of something called CPEC....THE rest 1.2499999999999 aren't when aware what CPEC is...

From where did u get this number "1.2499999999"? BRAIN FART? If you want me to believe it then i have no problem as it would mean that u guys suck at geopolitical events and at reading newspapers....:lol:

Heck...99.99% don't even know what's the capital of Pakistan..let alone something called CPEC..

Exactly what kind of people live in India? Do they go to school or Indian teachers are on boycott against Pakistan, not ready to teach kids about Pakistan :lol:.....hey guyz. Just look what did he say? @Pakistaniforever @Areesh @shah1398 @volatile @Taimoor Khan @Lucky Breeze @maximuswarrior @DESERT FIGHTER @Sandman @Tripoli @litman

It would be great if you could come up with one serious discussion about this "CPEC" in Indian media and about how "extremely worried" India is about it...and how it concerns India.:lol:

Your government opposed CPEC. Do i need to say any more? and then your media articles on CPEC. I can't quote all since they are too many......

While, I can post hundreds of pakistani media videos about Modi and the extreme paranoia that exists in the schizophrenic pakistani media About Modi.

Well....when your PM barks against Pakistan, so definitely Pakistani media will cover him and criticize him. Our videos on Modi are no where near to your level of obsession with us. We are not talking about random reporting. U guys do it purposely with having dedicated team on it to defame Pakistan. For example......your dedicated team of highly obsessed Indians....

https://twitter.com/GernailSaab
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheHotspot709/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCodrS_-PGJbFA_UcVy-sUKg/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/GURUvikash/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3UOIHp7DIdruA_1hAtK2_Q/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/IndiaEternal
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5y3f5ZiUZbgjFQBOof5ncw
https://www.youtube.com/user/indiavstheworld

Foreigners have also noted your obsession with us. Its not just Pakistanis are saying....@risingsinga , a Singaporean has first hand experience of it......Americans have noted it. You and your countrymen presence on PDF and other Pakistani news site like "tribune" and "dawn" in comments section proves you're highly obsessed with us. This below thread will tell people what i m talking about.......

https://defence.pk/threads/us-def-s...es-indias-pakistan-obsession-in-delhi.427386/
 
Exactly what kind of people live in India? Do they go to school or Indian teachers are on boycott against Pakistan, not ready to teach kids about Pakistan :lol:.....hey guyz. Just look what did he say?

Most of them vomit out what is feeded in their brain by their media. On contrary any Indian having once visited Pakistan had been full of praise for Pakistan.
 
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From where did u get this number "1.2499999999"? BRAIN FART? If you want me to believe it then i have no problem as it would mean that u guys suck at geopolitical events and at reading newspapers....:lol:



Exactly what kind of people live in India? Do they go to school or Indian teachers are on boycott against Pakistan, not ready to teach kids about Pakistan :lol:.....hey guyz. Just look what did he say? @Pakistaniforever @Areesh @shah1398 @volatile @Taimoor Khan @Lucky Breeze @maximuswarrior @DESERT FIGHTER @Sandman @Tripoli @litman



Your government opposed CPEC. Do i need to say any more? and then your media articles on CPEC. I can't quote all since they are too many......



Well....when your PM barks against Pakistan, so definitely Pakistani media will cover him and criticize him. Our videos on Modi are no where near to your level of obsession with us. We are not talking about random reporting. U guys do it purposely with having dedicated team on it to defame Pakistan. For example......your dedicated team of highly obsessed Indians....

https://twitter.com/GernailSaab
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheHotspot709/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCodrS_-PGJbFA_UcVy-sUKg/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/GURUvikash/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3UOIHp7DIdruA_1hAtK2_Q/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/IndiaEternal
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5y3f5ZiUZbgjFQBOof5ncw
https://www.youtube.com/user/indiavstheworld

Foreigners have also noted your obsession with us. Its not just Pakistanis are saying....@risingsinga , a Singaporean has first hand experience of it......Americans have noted it. You and your countrymen presence on PDF and other Pakistani news site like "tribune" and "dawn" in comments section proves you're highly obsessed with us. This below thread will tell people what i m talking about.......

https://defence.pk/threads/us-def-s...es-indias-pakistan-obsession-in-delhi.427386/

Schizophrenic much. .calling your buddies for support? .:lol:

As I said, show me one serious article where India is concerned about cpec..The concern was / is of chinese troops in Azad Kashmir..which is a disputed territory.

While every pakistani claims that India is out to prevent the cpec, the fact is no one gives a ff across the border...because no one cares.

Highly obsessed about what? Most Indians know about pakistan because of terrorism, like most in the world do.or cricket or due to the wars. Other than that..They know as much about pakistan as they know about bangladesh.

Pakistan isn't exactly the center of the world as most of you think.

About our presence here..We are here mostly for the amusement..It was a decent board a while ago, it's degenerated into mostly troll posts and now, into a dead duck.

Thanks for the YouTube links..lol, your media is hilarious.
 
@PaklovesTurkiye Since you started an offtopic conversation about "obsession". Here you go, mind you these are not some random Youtube channels or twitter accounts but an annual review by Google.


10 people Pakistanis were 'most obsessed' with in 2015



Google has released its annual review of what Pakistan was searching for this year. While many of the people Pakistanis were obsessed with in 2015 may not surprise you, a few of the results in Google’s Year in Search are quite unexpected.


Let’s take a look at Google’s Year in Search which reveals the most searched people in Pakistan in 2015.



3. Amy Jackson


Surprisingly, British model-actor Amy Jackson came out on number three in the list of most searched people in Pakistan this year. The rising star also recently wore a Shehla Chatoor design to a promotional event for her upcoming film, the Akshay Kumar-starrer Singh Is Bliing.

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4. Karishma Tanna

Indian actress and Big Boss 8 contestant also made it to the top people searched by Pakistanis.

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Karishma Tanna PHOTO: AFP

5. Mira Rajput

It was no surprise that Mira made it to the list after she shot to fame following the announcement of her wedding to Bollywood heartthrob Shahid Kapoor earlier this year. Many hearts were broken and with it a new obsession set in. From first pictures of the beautiful couple together to the wedding of the year, the internet documented everything and Pakistanis couldn’t stop themselves from looking.

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Shahid Kapoor and Mira Rajput PHOTO: INSTAGRAM

6. Mandana Karimi

Another Big Boss contestant made it to the list. Apparently, Pakistanis take the Big Boss show very seriously.

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Mandana Karimi PHOTO: INDIA FORUM

8. Gautam Gulati

Gautam Gulati is an Indian film and TV actor known for his role in ‘Diya Aur Baati Hum’ and was the winner of reality show Bigg Boss 8.

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Indian television actor Gautam Gulati and Farah Khan during the ‘Bigg Boss Seaon 8’ final in Lonavala. PHOTO: AFP

 
Exactly what kind of people live in India? Do they go to school or Indian teachers are on boycott against Pakistan, not ready to teach kids about Pakistan :lol:.....hey guyz. Just look what did he say?
Yap its their education level
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they think from their ANU'S. Its not their fault
And off course that also lead to their food habits.
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Schizophrenic much. .calling your buddies for support? .:lol:

As I said, show me one serious article where India is concerned about cpec..The concern was / is of chinese troops in ***..which is a disputed territory.

While every pakistani claims that India is out to prevent the cpec, the fact is no one gives a ff across the border...because no one cares.

Highly obsessed about what? Most Indians know about pakistan because of terrorism, like most in the world do.or cricket or due to the wars. Other than that..They know as much about pakistan as they know about bangladesh.

Pakistan isn't exactly the center of the world as most of you think.

About our presence here..We are here mostly for the amusement..It was a decent board a while ago, it's degenerated into mostly troll posts and now, into a dead duck.

Thanks for the YouTube links..lol, your media is hilarious.

You appears to be more dumb than i thought. First u give all your countrymen bad name that how they don't even know the capital of Pakistan. U insulted India yourself, i just caught u....

Calling for support? Your post was such hilarious that i couldn't take and tagged Pakistanis over here to laugh at u. I don't miss such opportunities especially when it comes to Indian trolls. Just yesterday, I, one handedly, humiliated one of your member because he got personal with me and resorted to abusive slangs. I don't run for ratings and support, don't assume everyone is like of u.

If pdf is that bad, then never log in again. We highly regard PDF. It is very dearest forum where we can talk with Pakistanis any time any day.......This thread was related to Pakistan yet u r jumping up and down on this thread and saying we r not obsessed with Pakistan. Exactly what kind of hypocritical u are. i tagged one Singaporean member because he shared how Indians show their moronic attitude while Pakistanis don't give a single fuk to them.......

Most Indians know about pakistan because of terrorism, like most in the world do.or cricket or due to the wars.

U Born lier........Indians know about Pakistan because of Umer Shariff, Rahat Fatah Ali Khan, Atif Aslam, Wasim Akram, Imran Khan, Nazia Hasan, Coke Studio etc and so on......

Since u already know these facts, my reply was intended to all people especially foreigners, reading this thread, so that they don't fall for your Indian propaganda.

As I said, show me one serious article where India is concerned about cpec..The concern was / is of chinese troops in ***..which is a disputed territory.

This is the serious article u r demanding..........The way you're Modi went to China and raised objection on it, seems to be lot more headaches than just passing thr' disputed territory.......:lol:

http://www.firstpost.com/world/here...-46-billion-offering-to-pakistan-2205216.html

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/indi...-india-and-we-should-be-concerned-255010.html

Chinese troops do give us a friendly tour and they are also very kind on u too....Aren't they? Just last week they remained in your territory for more than one hour. So what does that mean that u won't construct any infra on that territory in which Chinese have stepped in? Chinese come and gone. As far as disputed territory, Pakistan used this term Disputed territory, since when Indians started using this term? Pakistan was the originator of this term regarding Kashmir and by this term we referred to IOK (Indian Occupied Kashmir). So, I hope Pakistanis have clarified Indians now. U did wrong interpretation of it and we r not responsible for this idiocy of u. Disputed territory means IOK........Got it?

Don't quote me again, dumb.....

Yap its their education level
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they think from their ANU'S. Its not their fault
And off course that also lead to their food habits.
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:lol::lol::lol:......Man, I m literally tired of these Indians. Just yesterday, i nailed one down and yet one of them again engaged me....Looks like Indian trolls love to be humiliated by me.......
 
We are just excited about it and do talk about its positive and negative. We will take care of it. CPEC will lay down the foundation of our success. Power supply, dams, railways are going to be upgraded. Chinese are master in infrastructure development. You don't need to compare India with Pakistan. We r going to have Chinese built infra, a damn good one. The increased cooperation and economic integration with more than One billion people having economy of trillions of dollars is not a JOKE. Thats why we are very ambitious about it. The whole world has eyes on it. Iran, UK, US, China, Middle East. U name it. If all goes as it is planned, we will literally change the whole dynamics of South Asia. CARS may use Gwadar port. Western China will definitely going to use Gwadar. Iran is very serious about joining Gwadar too. Whole region is going to have connectivity with each other.
You are right. Actually CPEC will not destroy the local industry just local industrialist have to break their cartels. The consumers item prices will get low,especially the products with dissonance reducing buying behavior. Most cartels are being made for these products.
 
@PaklovesTurkiye Since you started an offtopic conversation about "obsession". Here you go, mind you these are not some random Youtube channels or twitter accounts but an annual review by Google.


10 people Pakistanis were 'most obsessed' with in 2015



Google has released its annual review of what Pakistan was searching for this year. While many of the people Pakistanis were obsessed with in 2015 may not surprise you, a few of the results in Google’s Year in Search are quite unexpected.


Let’s take a look at Google’s Year in Search which reveals the most searched people in Pakistan in 2015.


3. Amy Jackson


Surprisingly, British model-actor Amy Jackson came out on number three in the list of most searched people in Pakistan this year. The rising star also recently wore a Shehla Chatoor design to a promotional event for her upcoming film, the Akshay Kumar-starrer Singh Is Bliing.

0-AMYJACKSON-1450331826.jpg


4. Karishma Tanna

Indian actress and Big Boss 8 contestant also made it to the top people searched by Pakistanis.

0-karishma-1450331959.jpg

Karishma Tanna PHOTO: AFP

5. Mira Rajput

It was no surprise that Mira made it to the list after she shot to fame following the announcement of her wedding to Bollywood heartthrob Shahid Kapoor earlier this year. Many hearts were broken and with it a new obsession set in. From first pictures of the beautiful couple together to the wedding of the year, the internet documented everything and Pakistanis couldn’t stop themselves from looking.

0-mira-1450331278.jpg

Shahid Kapoor and Mira Rajput PHOTO: INSTAGRAM

6. Mandana Karimi

Another Big Boss contestant made it to the list. Apparently, Pakistanis take the Big Boss show very seriously.

0-mandana-1450333008.jpg

Mandana Karimi PHOTO: INDIA FORUM

8. Gautam Gulati

Gautam Gulati is an Indian film and TV actor known for his role in ‘Diya Aur Baati Hum’ and was the winner of reality show Bigg Boss 8.

0-GAUTUM-1450333681.jpg

Indian television actor Gautam Gulati and Farah Khan during the ‘Bigg Boss Seaon 8’ final in Lonavala. PHOTO: AFP

If u have seen, read and understood my posts then u should have known in which context i was talking about. I have already answered to another Indian guy. Don't quote me again....i'll give u a hint......visit this thread......

https://defence.pk/threads/us-def-s...es-indias-pakistan-obsession-in-delhi.427386/
 
local industries cannot live under protection forever, why would foreign investor invest here if we cannot compete with china, it should be the otherway around, look you have cheapest labour, cheapest raw material than why cannot you compete

from what I can gather from my debates here, the consensus is if you do protectionist policies long enough, industry will become competitive on their own.

How or why, I don't know, but apparently that's very much on the cards.

IMO, it's not CPEC that is the problem but Pakistan's complete submission to China in such pacts. If Pakistan continues to be a complete sell out to the Chinese only they will suffer. Every news I have read seems to be so one sided. The whole project would have kick started the mood of the Pakistani economy if tenders were called and handed out to Pakistani companies. If China is getting everything, one can imagine the amount of corruption and kick-backs involved. CPEC helps Pakistan but it helps China more, why then should they have the cake and get to eat it too?

With Chinese products passing through the roads of Pakistan every day, there is no doubt that local industries will suffer. I think the general idea of CPEC is good but being a South Asian and knowing how corrupt our leadership can be, I don't think anything here is honky-dory. There is no transparency in the deals either, only meaning corruption is rampant and if this project fails it's mainly because Pakistan was a sellout!

China is just playing the role of an astute businessman.

You know 50 billion dollars, that's nothing. You know what else, 4 decades of Chinese experience in all things infrastructure as well as China's reliable supply of materials is nothing really.

I'm sure you can find it anywhere.

Too many people look at China and sees just the low end manufacturing, the roads, the bridges and the rails and think how hard can that be. Reality isn't that it's hard, it's that it's impossible if you don't have the right kind of help. Make Modi into the manager of a factory he can turn it into a brand, but you have one Modi and there's 1.2 billion Indians.

What you are suggesting, local manufacturing and participation won't work because you need more than a few outstanding people, you need millions of competent people. That takes decades to shape.

Chinese government today faces far more opposition in major projects due to social media and other forms of communication, and yet it is starting far more ambitious projects than ever before, why? It took us over 3 decades of lowly existence to become who we are today.

If you think you can just do it because you want to is frankly why people fail. Just like getting into shape, people want the 1 month program not the life long life style change. The one month program even if it works is temporary( it never does), only through sustained effort can progress be achieved.
 
astonishing to see astounding number of our neighbours (well wishers in the east who want to conquer us to stroke their.....ego) warning us how bad and ugly Chinese investment is for our country...

mind blowing
 
I want a strong pakistan because it will keep India on its toes....India has to have the mindset that we have to tackle both china and pakistan...pakistan has a weak sparring partner in India..but India has a super strong sparring partner in China...sparring with China ( economic & military preparedness) will make India stronger...and hopefully no wars just healthy competition which benefits all
 
Pakistan is a poor nation, there I said it. Non counterfeit products, your people can't afford. Everyone likes a Gucci, a Tom Ford, but those are upwards of 5000 USD, about 3 years salary for a average Pakistani man.

Let me ask you, what do you want China to do. To play fair? We are, but we are Lebron and you are, well, not. Subsidies is part of it, but infrastructure and experience as well as a host of other qualities that we developed over the years is not something easily duplicated. Blaming it on subsidies is in fact lazy and hardly the truth. This is the same Indian excuse, which is hardly accurate because we are the manufacturing powerhouse of the world, not to India, or Pakistan.

The hard truth of Pakistan is you have limited amount to offer, take advantage of everything. I remember like yesterday, American documentaries in 90s and early 2000s talked of how Americans were takiing advantage of China, kicking us out of our homes and getting preferential treatment.

Fast forward 2016, a totally different narrative has emerged. China challenging the West in science and higher tier goods and services, as well as exploiting Africa.

You can't come into the league as a rookie and expect to get the same calls as Lebron, become Curry, win a title and 2 MVPs and then we'll talk.

China and Pakistan are partners, the fact you would question China's commitment to Pakistan shows perfectly that Pakistan is very much a partner and not a benefactor in this arrangement.




If you are going to take the approach of protectionism, how are you going to compete globally. Pakistan, but especially India, needs to be international to be competitive and create growth.

Are you going to tell America, EU, Africa to tax Chinese goods but let yours through? They would listen to you?

China is the manufacturing leader, because we took the challenge and we won, you want something, take it, but don't build a wall, cover your ears and hear no evil. That's the Soviet's approach. I don't have to tell you where they went.

Do protectionism if you want, but all you will do is create a highly inefficient industry thatch about as competitive internationally as Chinese football is.

Are you telling me that Chinese are fair? The last time I saw, Chinese are ready to open everything except textiles, pharmaticals, auto and IT industry to Indians, where Indian industry has an edge over China.

We will be open if you want to be. I know an personal experience of Electronic import. For my support project to be installed in China contained an whole integrated system, complete with a computer. Chinese customs refused to let in the computer. Then we bargained hard, telling that the CPU is part of that system, and replicating it will delay the project. Finally they let in, but what? They shipped back the LCD display back to India. I had to buy one over there in China.

LCD too in some probability made in China. See. These are kinda examples of informal or uninformed trade barriers in CHina we had to face. A lot.
 

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