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The Pakistan Navy's Frigate Options

well the navy get 10% of the defence budget which is nothing really. and a decent ship will set you back about $250 million which is what the milgem will cost. so the f100 variant will be about $300 million. which is slightly below the cost of a type 54a [$333 million]. so until your economy improves you will be getting used and very cheap stuff. besides the type 23 is no slouch. its quiet a beast certainly far better than what you have now.

it can be increase , it not written in Quran to give only 10% to Navy, its called negligence from the Armed forces to not know the importance of Strong Navy and Airforce ..
and for type 23, been superior to anything we have... we have nothing .. we have some new light weight Frigates , a OHP floating Junk and 5 Type 21 , which were build in era when Hitler was a kid...
we are paying more than 5 Billions for 8 improved yuan class subs, why not cut the deal with 4 Subs and buy 4 Frigates ..
all they need is to make right decision .. which they clearly cant .

26 and several missile boats

out of those 30,000+ post, you at least write 1 realistic post for 1 time please ..
 
What Enhanced Frigate design offers us is the flexibility. There is no bar on what kind of weapon systems we might deploy on these boats. Personally, i think CPEC justifies a Naval buildup. Pakistan should have up to 20 combat ready surface vessels at its disposal with modern capabilities.
I believe Sir as Pakistan always play smart just like Cold Start response is a Nasr....This time Pakistan will counter it with Nuclear sub 1 or 2...No need to spend billions 6 subs on order + Nuclear sub with long range dual engine jets in Naval fleet .... Problem solve...
 
it can be increase , it not written in Quran to give only 10% to Navy, its called negligence from the Armed forces to not know the importance of Strong Navy and Airforce ..
and for type 23, been superior to anything we have... we have nothing .. we have some new light weight Frigates , a OHP floating Junk and 5 Type 21 , which were build in era when Hitler was a kid...
we are paying more than 5 Billions for 8 improved yuan class subs, why not cut the deal with 4 Subs and buy 4 Frigates ..
all they need is to make right decision .. which they clearly cant .
well yes i know it not restricted to just 10% its just that a navy is not really that important in a war but it is needed. the air force plays a more proactive role than the navy. subs are more dangerous than surface ships so you guys getting 8 would make india think twice before doing any thing adventurous. yes the navy is neglected but if you so angry go complain and tell me what was their response. the type 21 in deserves to be either scrapped or used as target practice. tbh i have no idea how long the type 21 will last and what will replace them.
 
Nuclear sub will go ahead regardless.

I believe Sir as Pakistan always play smart just like Cold Start response is a Nasr....This time Pakistan will counter it with Nuclear sub 1 or 2...No need to spend billions 6 subs on order + Nuclear sub with long range dual engine jets in Naval fleet .... Problem solve...
 
How you know please give back up sources for your nonsense claims. This is for your info we have excellent relations with Germany and they can provide what ever we want to purchase but the real problem is money + our choice.
He is right here. Plz bother to search before resorting to bashing. No Offence Intended.
 
well yes i know it not restricted to just 10% its just that a navy is not really that important in a war but it is needed. the air force plays a more proactive role than the navy. subs are more dangerous than surface ships so you guys getting 8 would make india think twice before doing any thing adventurous. yes the navy is neglected but if you so angry go complain and tell me what was their response. the type 21 in deserves to be either scrapped or used as target practice. tbh i have no idea how long the type 21 will last and what will replace them.

Navy is important in Indo-Pak war Scenario, 8 subs yeah can create panic but so can 7 Subs including 4 yuan and 3 Augusta 90B , all armed with AIP .. you don't need 8+3+2 Subs to defend a small Coast line like Pakistan .
Lol , bro its not US or Canada where one can simply go and complain about Armed forces , people here take Generals word over Quran :D , have you not see people coming out on streets protesting anything that talk against the army ?
type 21 are old and needs to be retired, the best bet is to add more F-22's along with Type54A .
 
Navy is important in Indo-Pak war Scenario, 8 subs yeah can create panic but so can 7 Subs including 4 yuan and 3 Augusta 90B , all armed with AIP .. you don't need 8+3+2 Subs to defend a small Coast line like Pakistan .
Lol , bro its not US or Canada where one can simply go and complain about Armed forces , people here take Generals word over Quran :D , have you not see people coming out on streets protesting anything that talk against the army ?
type 21 are old and needs to be retired, the best bet is to add more F-22's along with Type54A .
well you were supposed to but 6 subs from china but the a70 you have are old and need to be replaced so an additional 2 ore were included. so you will have 8+3=11.

as for complaining, labour wanted to scrap our trident subs then said we can have the sub but no missiles. like having a gun with no bullets. our media just made him look stupider than he usually is and that sorted him out. besides we are too left wing to start asking for more frigates and destroyers it will be the opposite. more f22 would be a good idea but how about the c28a that algeria purchased. its an advanced stealth variant of the f22p?
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well you were supposed to but 6 subs from china but the a70 you have are old and need to be replaced so an additional 2 ore were included. so you will have 8+3=11.

as for complaining, labour wanted to scrap our trident subs then said we can have the sub but no missiles. like having a gun with no bullets. our media just made him look stupider than he usually is and that sorted him out. besides we are too left wing to start asking for more frigates and destroyers it will be the opposite. more f22 would be a good idea but how about the c28a that algeria purchased. its an advanced stealth variant of the f22p?
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well we can upgraded or fix Augusta 70 to add more life in it , even if not than 11 Subs are more than the requirement .. 6-7 AIP subs , able to fire CM can do the job ..

i am in favor of buying or making new ships , or even lease it .. but buying old ships wont be any good.. limited life in them, and more repairing and maintaining cost .
i did not read about Algerian C28a , so i cant say its better than F-22p .. but i hope PN can modify F-22p;s and increase its displacement and add potent SAM .
 
THE PAKISTAN NAVY’S FRIGATE OPTIONS
A look at how the Pakistan Navy might acquire new and used frigates

15 February 2016

By Bilal Khan

‘Frigates’ are surface warships. These warships are the mainstay of a naval fleet, often serving in roles such as patrolling a country’s maritime space, escorting other ships, and engaging in direct combat operations against enemy naval assets. A modern frigate is a multi-mission system, most often equipped for anti-ship warfare (AShW), anti-submarine warfare (ASW), and anti-air warfare (AAW).

It is important to understand that modern frigates, i.e. systems equipped with sufficient AAW capabilities, are indispensable naval assets. Yes, diesel-electric submarines (SSKs) have emerged as major threats for all surface combatants, but for one to possess the maximum possible flexibility in using their own SSKs, it is imperative they have the means to counter systems designed to track and hunt SSKs, such as maritime patrol aircraft (MPA).

A frigate equipped with sufficient AAW capabilities, particularly in the form of medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), is an example of an effective countermeasure. Unfortunately, the Pakistan Navy (PN) is completely lacking in this regard, and there is no clear roadmap as to when or how this will be resolved.

The PN’s current fleet is composed of one FFG-7 (Oliver Hazard Perry-class), five ex-Royal Navy Type-21 (Amazon-class) and four F-22P (Zulfiqar-class) frigates. Taken together, the FFG-7, Type-21 and F-22P are decent AShW and ASW platforms, but their collective AAW capabilities are restricted to short-range air defence (SHORAD) systems. For example, the FM-90 SAM used on the F-22P has a maximum engagement range of 15km. While this is good for protecting the vessel, it does not offer area wide air defence coverage.

Moreover, the PN’s Type-21s are heavily aged platforms that are basically in need of being phased out. Once these ships are gone, the PN will be left with a glaring capability gap in its surface fleet. In order to rectify this problem, the PN had originally hoped to acquire up to six retired FFG-7/Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates from the U.S., but general hostility in Congress towards Pakistan closed this avenue. Instead, the PN will have to look for used frigates in other countries.

For the PN, it may not be prudent to heavily invest in upgrading used platforms. At this stage, the PN simply needs ships it can operate in accordance with its peacetime needs, such as its participation in Combined Task Force 150. But in terms of the long-term, the PN will be best served by selecting a new-generation platform, which it can then build-upon to develop a solution tuned to its specific needs. While several options may exist in this regard, it is likely that the PN would ultimately select China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Co. (CSOC) as its partner in this project.

It is worth noting that the PN is acquiring eight new submarines from CSOC, hence it is well within the realm of reason to see the PN expand that partnership into the area of frigates. In fact, CSOC even has an export-focused design, i.e. the “High Performance Frigate.” The 3700 ton High Performance Frigate utilizes a stealthy hull design meant to reduce the ship’s radar and infrared signatures. With a length of 135 metres, maximum speed of 28 knots, and a crew of around 110 personnel, the High Performance Frigate is essentially a medium-sized multi-mission frigate.

According to the defence news site Navy Recognition, CSOC’s design incorporates a 32-cell vertical launch system (VLS). These VLS cells could be used to deploy medium-range SAMs, such as the Chinese HHQ-16, which has a range of at least 40km. In addition, the frigate can be equipped with two anti-ship missile (AShM) quad-launchers and a 76.2mm main naval gun. Two close-in weapon-systems (CIWS) and a point-defence missile system (PDMS) are also present for protection against incoming anti-ship missiles.

Interestingly, CSOC did not specify the frigate’s ASW capabilities. Instead, CSOC representatives told Navy Recognition that it “depends on customer needs.” Since CSOC did not explicitly mention that the VLS was restricted to SAMs, it is possible that the design could be configured to carry (in addition to two triple ASW torpedo launchers) a VLS-launched rocket-powered torpedo solution, such as the CY-5. This would confer the High Performance Frigate with VL-ASROC-style ASW capabilities. While a modern frigate’s torpedo tubes give it ASW capabilities, ASROC-like capability can offer additional engagement range.

It is evident that the CSOC High Performance Frigate design has the features (e.g. VLS) to warrant at least the possibility of serving as the basis of the PN’s next-generation surface fleet. CSOC has developed a balanced design, and if paired with the full-suite of Chinese armaments (i.e. HHQ-16 SAM, C-802 AShM, CY-5 VL-ASROC, FL-3000N PDMS, and Yu-7 ASW torpedo), a fleet of six to eight of these frigates would be an exponential leap compared to the PN’s existing fleet.

Moreover, the PN has the option to customize the design, which it could use to fulfill future requirements. For example, it could work with CSOC to develop an enlarged version with an additional 16 or 32 VLS-cells, which could be allocated for the Babur land-attack cruise missile (LACM) and/or long-range SAMs (100km+). A smaller number (three or four) of these large frigates could compliment a larger number (six to eight) of medium-sized frigates, thereby giving the PN a robust frigate fleet capable of addressing key maritime challenges, especially in wartime.

Unfortunately, Pakistan’s structural economic problems will dampen the PN’s modernization efforts. While an expensive acquisition, a new design offers long-term cost-savings (by freeing the PN of maintaining heavily aged platforms and replacing them more frequently), in addition to enhanced operational capabilities. Given that a fleet of modern multi-mission frigates is vital to Pakistan’s long-term maritime interests, it is imperative that the Pakistan Navy not be put into a situation to compromise on this front.

The Pakistan Navy’s Frigate Options

@Horus

Apart from China and Turkey, Can these following become part of Pakistan Navy?

The FREMM ("European multi-purpose frigate") designed by DCNS/Armaris and Fincantieri for the navies of France and Italy.

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Italian Navy Audace-class destroyers

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South African Valour-class frigate

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Brazilian Navy
Niteroi-class frigate

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well we can upgraded or fix Augusta 70 to add more life in it , even if not than 11 Subs are more than the requirement .. 6-7 AIP subs , able to fire CM can do the job ..

i am in favor of buying or making new ships , or even lease it .. but buying old ships wont be any good.. limited life in them, and more repairing and maintaining cost .
i did not read about Algerian C28a , so i cant say its better than F-22p .. but i hope PN can modify F-22p;s and increase its displacement and add potent SAM .
well the a70 have been going for over 35 years now [since 1979/80] once the first two subs are built they will replace the a70's i would assume that anyway. then the a70 can be scrapped or turned in to a museum the c28a is similar to the f22p. some analysis are sayings its an advanced vaient of the f22p as its similar is size and weaponry
 

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