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The Fight against PKK Terrorism

@xxxKULxxx Austrian Prince Ferdinand was killed in Sarajevo by an Nationalist Serbian and WW1 began,

but that was only the ignitor. The Cards were already mixed.

Yes that's the event i talked about...

And yes i talk about the same thing...

We appeared with some power and now they want to put their iran card against us...
 
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/the-u.s.-interest-in-addressing-germanys-pkk-Problem
The presence of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in Europe is fast becoming a prism through which the Turks view their ties with Europe, especially in Germany.
U.S.-Turkish relations are experiencing a period of close cooperation. At the same time, Turkey's ties with its European allies are under pressure. The presence of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in Europe is fast becoming a prism through which the Turks view their ties with Europe, especially in Germany, where the PKK has a significant infrastructure. The United States can encourage action against PKK networks in Germany and subsequently take credit for such action with the Turkish public, thus preventing further deterioration in ties between America's European allies and Turkey at a time of improving U.S.-Turkish relations.
Deterioration of Turkish-German Relations
The PKK issue has eroded rapport between the Turks and Germans. On October 31, 2011, two German attorneys filed a case against Turkish prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, accusing Turkey of "state terrorism against the Kurdish people" and demanding that Erdogan be arrested on those charges. This action followed Erdogan's earlier assertion that "German foundations have extended financial assistance to the terrorist organization PKK."
Since the early summer, the PKK has killed more than 130 Turks across the country. With anger rising inside Turkey, the country has pointed a finger at Germany. As a result, PKK funding and propaganda networks in Europe are under scrutiny by Turkish public agencies, especially in Germany. On October 2, Erdogan asserted that "German foundations lend money to [Kurdish nationalist] Peace and Democracy Party (BDP)-controlled local governments within Turkey, which relay the money to the PKK."
PKK Organizational and Propaganda Networks in Germany
Although the German media has rejected allegations of lending support to PKK entities, Germany appears unwittingly to be the PKK's economic center. In 2007, the German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV) published a report outlining the ways in which the PKK uses Germany as a base to ensure its financial survival.
According to the BfV, the PKK in Germany is divided into three regions, or serits: North, Central, and South. These serits are subdivided into a total of twenty-seven areas. Moreover, several civic associations related to the PKK have been established in major German cities. These associations belong to the Federation of Kurdish Unions in Germany, aka Yekitiya Komalen Kurd Li Elmanya (YEK-KOM). Additionally, Germany is home to organization Yekitiya Xwendekaren Kurdistan (YXK). These groups are involved especially in organizing concerts and festivals, such as the annual ZILAN Women's Festival established in 2006, and the annual International Kurdish Culture Festival in Gelsenkirchen, which in 2007 boasted attendance of 40,000.
As outlined in BfV reports, the PKK's media presence is tremendously important for the ideological indoctrination of Kurds in Germany as well as for propaganda directed at non-Kurds. Such indoctrination is achieved through various media outlets, including the pro-PKK newspaper Yeni Ozgur Politika (New Free Politics), the PKK's publishing house, Mesopotamia, in Cologne, the Denmark-based network Roj TV, and Firat News Agency, stationed in the Netherlands.
PKK Funding in Germany
According to the European Union's Terrorism Situation and Trend Report (TE-SAT) 2011, funding from Germany plays a highly important role in supporting PKK activities in Turkey. The report states: "The PKK collects money from its members under the rubric of 'donations and membership fees' in lieu of extortion and illegal taxation. In addition to organized extortion campaigns, there are indications that the PKK is actively involved in money laundering, illicit drugs and human trafficking, as well as illegal immigration inside and outside the EU."
These facts are well known by German authorities. German prosecutors and police have tried to inhibit PKK activities, most notably through crackdowns in recent years against the PKK network in Germany. On October 12, 2011, following Erdogan's latest accusations of German support to the PKK, the German police reacted immediately by arresting Ali Ihsan K, PKK's chief of North Germany, on charges that he was running the organization's extortion and illegal taxation operations inside Germany.
According to the official website of YEK-KOM, the PKK's civic arm, a number of German politicians, officials, and even members of the Protestant-Lutheran Church seem to be unknowingly supporting PKK-related activities. In February 2011, for instance, YEK-KOM organized a congress on the property of a Protestant-Lutheran church in Dortmund. Notable politicians attended, such as Guntram Schneider, minister of Labor, Integration, and Social Purposes for the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia along with -- from the same state -- Dr. Stefan Romberg, a Free Democratic Party politician, and Bernhard von Gruneberg, a Social Democratic Party politician. Several labor union representatives attended as well. In addition, Ludger Vollmer, the former German minister of state at the Department of Foreign Affairs, has taken part in the annual International Kurdish Culture Festival organized by YEK-KOM in Gelsenkirchen.
Many Germans are aware that YEK-KOM is the civic arm of the PKK in their country, a fact attested to by YEK-KOM's official website. Additionally, the Ministry of Domestic Affairs of the German state of Lower Saxony affirms that YEK-KOM is a PKK-related organization. Yet such knowledge has done little to hinder support for the PKK among numerous German public figures.
What Can Be Done?
Washington has an interest in weakening the PKK's influence in Germany because it threatens ties between Turkey and Germany, two valuable U.S. allies. What is more, since the Turks view outside actions against the PKK as a sign of friendship, Berlin and Washington can improve their standing in Turkey by taking credit for such actions. This step would especially benefit the United States at a time when the White House is interested in seeing an improvement in popular Turkish support for the United States parallel to the closer relations between Washington and Ankara.
For their part, German security forces and officials are concerned about the PKK's activities in Germany, and Turkish officials have gained valuable insights on the party and its activities in Germany through close and formidable cooperation with their German counterparts. But on the political level, a lack of will on the German side and a lack of trust on the Turkish side have undermined cooperation. Erdogan's accusations targeting German foundations resulted from resentment against German domestic policy and attitudes toward the PKK, even though no explicit evidence proves that German foundations in Turkey directly support PKK activities.
Given this background, the following are recommendations for the three major players:
Berlin: Germany has already taken positive steps to win back Turkey's trust, and these efforts could be built upon. The German newspaper Tageszeitung reported that German chancellor Angela Merkel, in response to Erdogan's call for "support" in Turkey's "war against terrorism," declared that Germany "is on Turkey's side in its fight against terrorism."
Berlin can also take smart financial action to block pro-PKK media. In this regard, recent U.S.-supported action against the Libyan Jamahiriya Broadcasting Corporation (LJBC) can serve as an example. During the Libyan rebellion against the Qadhafi regime, Washington convinced its European allies to black out LJBC broadcasts in Europe. Ankara would be appreciative if PKK-linked broadcasting were similarly shut down.
Ankara: In the Kurdish opening of 2010, Turkey promised to grant cultural rights to the Kurds. Full implementation of this promise would do much to impress German opinion. An important element of such an effort would be inclusion in the new Turkish constitution now under debate of broader individual rights for the country's citizens , such as expanding freedom of expression, including the Kurds. A liberal charter including broadly defined freedoms would also facilitate Turkey's aspiration to become a beacon of democracy in the Middle East, especially as Turkey seeks to lead during the unfolding Arab Spring.
Washington: The United States should encourage Germany and Turkey to take collaborative action against PKK networks in Germany. A key component of such an endeavor would be close cooperation among U.S., Turkish, and German police and intelligence officials.
Cuneyt Yilmaz, a graduate of the University of Bayreuth in Germany, has been an intern for the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and various U.S. public policy institutions
 
Bro. sure that's the thing we should do but when we do that they won't say you are right or the countries and NATO won't support us. After big scale war starts with all these that operarion of us won't even be remembered. You know big wars starts with small things. Mesela bi savaşı başlatan olay birinin suikastiydi adını hatırlamadım şimdi. The big aim is to be a big power against these all enemies. Defence industry struggle is for that. We have more way to go and reach that power. So they won't be able to organize pkk like things against us.


Bro,
-Iran is actively supporting almost all Shia groups from Lebonan, Iraq, Syria to Palestin, Yemen which is considered mostly as terorist organizations but Neither Israel, nor West don't prevent their actions.
-Iran is actively supporting PKK as well but Turkey did not receive this action as a war possibility to Iran as well.

Now, PKK is also considered as terrorist organization and West support Turkey's operations in N. Iraq. An Iranian is posing in their center to give a message to Turkey which is also a fault for international community. When Turkey striked such political actions with bombing the PKK areas to kill this idiot, How will that cause a war ? Actually, It is Iranian leaders that should think war possibility with sending their ministers to Kandil fighting against NATO member Turkey but They know What current Turkish management can do in such situations so playing their cards in accordance with...
 
US has eliminated how many leaders of Al Qaeda and Taliban?
Bro i didn't count and i really don't care about it. They have killed Laden it's enough for showing off i though.
Unfortunately, my country does the things after tooooooooooooooooooo late like the current situation.
Well, i am tried to repeat the same things again and again.
My point is crystal clear. We have no ability to do some special operations against highly ranked targets. Accordingly, expecting some special moves from TurAF is dreaming. Even if MIT could inform Turkiye, with this gov. that is beyond of dreaming. To do such a move like cabatli addressed, we need a gov. which has strong willpower. Unfortunately, we don't have.
 
Bro,
-Iran is actively supporting almost all Shia groups from Lebonan, Iraq, Syria to Palestin, Yemen which is considered mostly as terorist organizations but Neither Israel, nor West don't prevent their actions.
-Iran is actively supporting PKK as well but Turkey did not receive this action as a war possibility to Iran as well.

Now, PKK is also considered as terrorist organization and West support Turkey's operations in N. Iraq. An Iranian is posing in their center to give a message to Turkey which is also a fault for international community. When Turkey striked such political actions with bombing the PKK areas to kill this idiot, How will that cause a war ? Actually, It is Iranian leaders that should think war possibility with sending their ministers to Kandil fighting against NATO member Turkey but They know What current Turkish management can do in such situations so playing their cards in accordance with...

In my post as a reply to hurşit i said 'their' iran card. Never think israel or west are enemies with iran or vice versa. They are barking each other but west never attack iran...

Actually the real thing is iran is a gift for our enemies. Because enemies support minorities against whole all the time... They always do that and when you look muslim community shias are minority. It's a good card for enemis and as we see they activated iran... These terrorist organizations of iran is for gaining muslim peoples' support for iran by 'attacking' israel. To make them popular. From time to time we see these kind of clashes but rarely. israel still kills people in Palestine with thousands but for a very long time hizbullah does nothing. Do you think that israel won't attack a country with it's guards if a country attacks them with terrorist organizations? Sure not...

Now why do you think iran supports esed so much? Or why isis don't attack esed and israel? Why mossad always tell "we should support esed" ? etc...

Because if people of Syria ÖSO (FSA) gets goverment that will also mean not only syria but Türkiye will have a border with israel. I mean politically. Israel never wants this...

BTW west doesn't support us against pkk. They 'say' they support us... Also some of them don't even 'say' it...
 
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I don't think MIT and TurAF sleeps and it is Iranian side of the border so I don't think it is right to bomb Iran.
It is actually great that neither MIT nor TurAF acts regarding newspapers.
Where that caveman took these pictures, is Persian soil.
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It is Western border of Iran as he explained in his Instagram, where he was.
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But in that one, there is an unclear message (for anyone) I think:
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man our leaders should do something against Iranian thread..

PLAN B of Türkiye could be - Close INCIRLIK and KÜRECIK

I always said offer it to China and let them put some abombs there.. (I am just making fun but the west should know what china in this region means..) lets say china you can put there what you wnat and fly where you want you do not have to ask us for permission..

Neither Israel, nor West don't prevent their actions

did you ever think why? why iran has not to be afraid of any war with them? why iran can do what they do? or why they bark if some countrys need someone to bark? iran is always consideres as a antithesis against Turkey/Saudi Arabia (Arabs) you would not let it happen to disturb the balance

so we will see it in the near future I predict Iran to have more wealth and power in 20 years.. they will be supported and iran will rise in some way to counter the Turkish and Arabic axis

what we need is this

- our country should have more control over its borders..
- hard against PKK
- hard against PKK Supporter
- massive media campaign including kurdish ppl
- documentary films its very important to make this excellent
- news
- tv shows
- films/series
- school system must change
- less vacation split it like 6 weeks in summer 1 month in ramadan and some at end of year
- new lesson in school call it ethics (teach the ppl what is good and bad - uniting propaganda)
- religion to those who want it (use it to bind all nations and to drag the militant islamists away- uniting propaganda)
- a kind of Patriot act is needed
- take out PKK and other (by Poisining etc)
- take care of PKK familys (suspects maybe more information can be gathered)
- turkey should look out for kurds outside of turkey what they do.. for excample the most of kurds in my region in germany you can say more than 95% are PKK - in the city I live I know two families who are against pkk and they are as much as I am or more proud of beeing turkish citizen (Yozgat and Erzurum Kurds)
- new laws wich streghten our police, jandarma etc
- no one hits a police without going to jail for least 5 years in jail
- no one says anything bad to our police without giving 2000 lira
- no one ask a police why did you shot the molotov throwing terrorist..
- police must have the same respect the jandarma has

so we need really some big internal things to happen.. in things of propaganda turkey lacks many things.. we need to have better propaganda in our country.. with this we can keep bad influences away from us like

PKK influence ethics in school , Muslim card, turkish card
Wahabi / Islamist influence by controlling and supporting regional Islam make diyanet stronger, islam in schools
Shia influences by helping alevis and recognizing their religion in school bind them to our country

keep foreign influences away and make dialog

maybe we need a ministery for Propaganda

everything would be easier if we had our military projects finished.. we will have then a different kind of power (no paper power like now)
 
man our leaders should do something against Iranian thread..



I always said offer it to China and let them put some abombs there.. (I am just making fun but the west should know what china in this region means..) lets say china you can put there what you wnat and fly where you want you do not have to ask us for permission..



did you ever think why? why iran has not to be afraid of any war with them? why iran can do what they do? or why they bark if some countrys need someone to bark? iran is always consideres as a antithesis against Turkey/Saudi Arabia (Arabs) you would not let it happen to disturb the balance

so we will see it in the near future I predict Iran to have more wealth and power in 20 years.. they will be supported and iran will rise in some way to counter the Turkish and Arabic axis

what we need is this

- our country should have more control over its borders..
- hard against PKK
- hard against PKK Supporter
- massive media campaign including kurdish ppl
- documentary films its very important to make this excellent
- news
- tv shows
- films/series
- school system must change
- less vacation split it like 6 weeks in summer 1 month in ramadan and some at end of year
- new lesson in school call it ethics (teach the ppl what is good and bad - uniting propaganda)
- religion to those who want it (use it to bind all nations and to drag the militant islamists away- uniting propaganda)
- a kind of Patriot act is needed
- take out PKK and other (by Poisining etc)
- take care of PKK familys (suspects maybe more information can be gathered)
- turkey should look out for kurds outside of turkey what they do.. for excample the most of kurds in my region in germany you can say more than 95% are PKK - in the city I live I know two families who are against pkk and they are as much as I am or more proud of beeing turkish citizen (Yozgat and Erzurum Kurds)
- new laws wich streghten our police, jandarma etc
- no one hits a police without going to jail for least 5 years in jail
- no one says anything bad to our police without giving 2000 lira
- no one ask a police why did you shot the molotov throwing terrorist..
- police must have the same respect the jandarma has

so we need really some big internal things to happen.. in things of propaganda turkey lacks many things.. we need to have better propaganda in our country.. with this we can keep bad influences away from us like

PKK influence ethics in school , Muslim card, turkish card
Wahabi / Islamist influence by controlling and supporting regional Islam make diyanet stronger, islam in schools
Shia influences by helping alevis and recognizing their religion in school bind them to our country

keep foreign influences away and make dialog

maybe we need a ministery for Propaganda

everything would be easier if we had our military projects finished.. we will have then a different kind of power (no paper power like now)


Don't overestimate Iran too much. They have unique inventory to support terror organizations in region but When It comes to a conventional war against a well trained and equiped army, They can just bark while receiving serious damage to every passing second. They know this fact very well so using propaganda tools on every field from TV to their industry. Without oil/gas, Current Iran will be equal to an avarage African country. What they are trying to do is to keep big powers out of themselves so trying to reach mass-destruction weapons + nuclear technology like all incapable nations are trying to do, While doing internal propaganda to own nation like Iran strong...
 
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@cabatli_53 Some days ago I had a harsh discussion with a bro.from here who is very engaged and diligent . I said I know numbers that are not official published but it is perfect ratio in anti-Terror warfare better then 1:10 and I said we erased almost 2000 but suffered also. Allaha Sükür konu kapandi. We will erase them all, land operations are coming and our SFs don't publish numbers and our Armed Forces said the PKK casualties are higher; cause they immediate bury their "LESes" in mass graves, so that we can't count and they don't loose Motivation.
 
Sorry if you wont agree with me but attacking an Iranian minister would be the dumbest move possible.
 
Sorry if you wont agree with me but attacking an Iranian minister would be the dumbest move possible.

You ? Sorry if you feel offended, you was not the member I mentioned. He is a friend from elite member Group.
 
Bro i didn't count and i really don't care about it. They have killed Laden it's enough for showing off i though.
Unfortunately, my country does the things after tooooooooooooooooooo late like the current situation.
Well, i am tried to repeat the same things again and again.
My point is crystal clear. We have no ability to do some special operations against highly ranked targets. Accordingly, expecting some special moves from TurAF is dreaming. Even if MIT could inform Turkiye, with this gov. that is beyond of dreaming. To do such a move like cabatli addressed, we need a gov. which has strong willpower. Unfortunately, we don't have.

The problem is not the will power but the technologie.
Previous governement had this willpower ( sometime too much of it), but PKK still exist.What Turkey need is not willpower but technology.

Personaly I'm glad that the "peace process" was keeps for 3 years, during this time no soldier was killed while Turkey continued to advance his technologie.
If this "peace" was keeps 3 more years, Turkey whould have armed Anka ready to fire, 5 years Turkey's satelite would be here too, 10 more years ? Then PKK whould nave the means to fight back.
 

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