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The cat is out of the bag: Foreign troops to stay in Afghanistan beyond May deadline: Nato officials

International troops plan to stay in Afghanistan beyond the May deadline envisaged by the Taliban’s deal with the United States, four senior officials of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) said — a move that could escalate tensions with the Taliban demanding full withdrawal.

“There will be no full withdrawal by allies by April-end,” one of the officials told Reuters.

“Conditions have not been met,” he said, on condition of anonymity, because of the sensitivity of the matter. “And with the new US administration, there will be tweaks in the policy, the sense of hasty withdrawal which was prevalent will be addressed and we could see a much more calculated exit strategy.”

The administration of then-President Donald Trump signed an agreement with the Taliban early last year, calling for the withdrawal of all foreign troops by May in return for the insurgents fulfilling certain security guarantees.

Trump hailed the accord — which did not include the Afghan government — as the end of two decades of war. He reduced US troops to 2,500 by this month, the fewest since 2001.

Plans on what will happen after April are now being considered and likely to be a top issue at a key Nato meeting in February, the Nato sources said.

The Nato's positions are becoming increasingly important after the alliance was sidelined by Trump, diplomats and experts say.

Peace talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban began in September in Doha, but violence has remained high.

“No Nato ally wants to stay in Afghanistan longer than necessary, but we have been clear that our presence remains conditions-based,” said Nato spokeswoman Oana Lungescu. “Allies continue to assess the overall situation and to consult on the way forward.”

She said about 10,000 troops, including Americans, are in Afghanistan. Those levels are expected to stay roughly the same until after May, but the plan beyond that is not clear, the Nato source said.

Kabul and some foreign governments and agencies say the Taliban has failed to meet conditions due to escalated violence and a failure to cut ties with militant groups such as Al Qaeda, which the Taliban denies.

The administration of Joe Biden, who replaced Trump on Jan 20, has launched a review of his predecessor’s peace agreement.

A Pentagon spokesman said the Taliban have not met their commitments but Washington remained committed to the process and had not decided on future troop levels.

A State Department representative said Biden was committed to bringing a “responsible end to the ‘forever wars’ ... while also protecting Americans from terrorist and other threats.”

Afghanistan’s presidential palace did not respond to a request for comment.

Rising concern
The Taliban have become increasingly concerned in recent weeks about the possibility that Washington might change aspects of the agreement and keep troops in the country beyond May, two Taliban sources told Reuters.

“We conveyed our apprehensions, but they assured us of honouring and acting on the Doha accord. What’s going on, on the ground in Afghanistan, is showing something else. And that’s why we decided to send our delegations to take our allies into confidence,” said a Taliban leader in Doha.

A Taliban delegation this week visited Iran and Russia, and the leader said they were contacting China.

Although informal meetings have been taking place between negotiators in Doha, progress has stalled in recent weeks after an almost one-month break, according to negotiators and diplomats.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told Reuters the insurgents remained committed to the peace process.

“No doubt that if the Doha deal is not implemented there will be consequences, and the blame will be upon that side which does not honour the deal,” he said. “Our expectations are also that Nato will think to end this war and avoid more excuses for prolonging the war in Afghanistan.”

Nato and Washington will have a challenge getting the Taliban to agree to an extension beyond May.

If the situation remains unclear, the Taliban may increase attacks, possibly once again on international forces, said Ashley Jackson, co-director of the Centre for the Study of Armed Groups at the British think tank ODI.

The lack of a resolution “gives voice to spoilers inside the Taliban who never believed the US would leave willingly, and who have pushed for a ratcheting up of attacks even after the US-Taliban deal was agreed,” she said.

A Feb 17-18 meeting of Nato defence ministers will be a chance for a newly empowered NATO to determine how the process would be shaped, said one source, a senior European diplomat.

“With the new administration coming in there will be a more cooperative result, Nato countries will have a say.”


Something that we already knew, but is it official now. Pakistan needs to step back and let the US/NATO bulwark know that breaking the deal has shattered confidence. It has consequences. Pakistan won't facilitate future talks.

As suggested earlier, Pakistan should sit down with important regional actors such as China and Russia. The goal should be to have a regional roadmap and exclude US/NATO. The US/NATO are back to their treachery of empowering India in Afghanistan.
They've lost the war, now their trying to gain some of their dignity back. I bet that IED attack on US soldiers a few months ago was a false flag set by US. It is very convenient that it happened right as US was negotiating a retreat and trump walked away then came back a little while later. It was the old trick of walking away from the seller claiming you could buy the product cheaper somewhere else.
 
Our concern should only be Pakistan and not the 30 other Muslim countries - unless of course they merge with Pakistan. With regard to that broadly US policy is ran by the Washington establishment and it does not really change much within few degrees. Within that space Trump was GOOD for Pakistan. Who mooted to get the troops out of Afghanistan? Who said enough of wars abroad and bring our troops home? And he acted on that. He was delayed and hurdles placed in his way by Washington establishment but he pushed, pushed.

Now they have their man back again. Biden. So watch what happens now.
Lets wait and see. Trump could care less about Pakistan or Muslims. His followers wanted an end to nation building in Afghanistan which meant he needed Pakistan to push the Taliban to talk. Nothing beyond that.

Honestly, Bush should have listened to Musharraf and negotiated a political deal with the Taliban after Kabul fell. At that time USA could have negotiated from a position of strength and Pakistan had more influence over the Taliban. Instead the USA lumped the Taliban in with Al Qaeda and tilted toward New Delhi and the NA. Result was a quagmire.

The fighting between Afghan factions will not end. USA and NATO can not change this, its a chronic condition that has to be managed (to use a medical analogy). USA presence only fuels the fighting....it is either viewed a foreign invader (Taliban argument) or a cash cow that can be milked as long as instability and terrorism continues (Kabul view....and why it secretly supports terror groups and has zero interest in defeating the Taliban).

Pakistan should remind the Biden (behind closed doors) that Clinton's (cancelling joint counter terror spec ops), Bush's (unwillingness to deal with the Taliban), and Obama's (go big military victory get tough on Pakistan) tilt toward New Delhi has not worked out practically for the USA. This is the biggest problem with USA South Asia policy. We should offer counter terror help to USA against any Al-Qaeda types. We should learn from our mistakes and seize the initiative. We should ask for USA support against TTP and Baluchi terror groups or trade perks in exchange. Win Win.
 
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Lets wait and see. Trump could care less about Pakistan or Muslims. His followers wanted an end to nation building in Afghanistan which meant he needed Pakistan to push the Taliban to talk. Nothing beyond that.

Honestly, Bush should have listened to Musharraf and negotiated a political deal with the Taliban after Kabul fell. At that time USA could have negotiated from a position of strength and Pakistan had more influence over the Taliban. Instead the USA lumped the Taliban in with Al Qaeda and tilted toward New Delhi and the NA. Result was a quagmire. The fighting between Afghan factions will not end. USA and NATO can not change this, its a chronic condition that has to be managed (to use a medical analogy).

Pakistan should remind the Biden (behind closed doors) that Clinton's, Bush's, and Obama's unwillingness to work with Pakistan and tilt toward New Delhi has not worked out practically for the USA. This is the biggest problem with USA South Asia policy. We should offer counter terror help to USA against any Al-Qaeda types. We should learn from our mistakes and seize the initiative. We should ask for USA support against TTP and Baluchi terror groups in exchange. Win Win.

It seems that Biden may not be interested in bringing peace at this time and might be looking for a better bargained chips.

When was America ever serious about Peace in Afghanistan? Deep state/CIA are more interested in Drug business, it’s a trillion dollar business. American government always have other plans.
There is NO alQaida group in Afghanistan. CIA with help of deep state created ISIS/Daesh and brought them to Afghanistan in helicopters. Who are Daesh? It’s a collection of ex-military soldiers from various countries including Afghani who are getting direct funding from CIA/Deep state. Same group is facilitating TTP/RAW to establish camps near Pakistan-Afghan border. Same Daesh was attacking Palestinians and protecting Israel and same Daesh is controlling the Iraqi oil field and USA is buying oil from them.

Trump didn’t listen to deep state and he was pushing for peace in Afghanistan. Now all his policies will be reversed. Trump blocked H1 and H4 visa to Indians, and made H1 process harder for Indians but Biden already reverse that.
Those who are expecting any favors from America are living in fools paradise.
America was pushing Saudi and UAE to force Pakistan to expect Israel. Saudi have tried their best but they end up messing up their relationship with Pakistan. Now that Pakistan has seen the true intentions of current Saudi leadership, our relationship will never be the same. We have been pushed toward China, Turkey and Iran and it will fruitful in the long run.
I think China need to take a bigger role in this. IMHO, China should invite Afghan government, Taliban, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, even India, Malaysia and Turkey as the observer, and start the peace process.
 
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Lets wait and see. Trump could care less about Pakistan or Muslims. His followers wanted an end to nation building in Afghanistan which meant he needed Pakistan to push the Taliban to talk. Nothing beyond that.

Honestly, Bush should have listened to Musharraf and negotiated a political deal with the Taliban after Kabul fell. At that time USA could have negotiated from a position of strength and Pakistan had more influence over the Taliban. Instead the USA lumped the Taliban in with Al Qaeda and tilted toward New Delhi and the NA. Result was a quagmire. The fighting between Afghan factions will not end. USA and NATO can not change this, its a chronic condition that has to be managed (to use a medical analogy).

Pakistan should remind the Biden (behind closed doors) that Clinton's, Bush's, and Obama's unwillingness to work with Pakistan and tilt toward New Delhi hasn't not worked out practically for the USA. This is the biggest problem with USA South Asia policy. We should offer counter terror help to USA against any Al-Qaeda types. We should learn from our mistakes and seize the initiative. We should ask for USA support against TTP and Baluchi terror groups in exchange. Win Win.

Very unlikely. Our interests and agendas are totally opposite. The US deep state is religiously convinced that India should be promoted at all cost to tackle China. The US deep state doesn't care about Pakistani concerns. In fact, India has managed to convince the US deep state that Pakistan is a problem in the equation. The US deep state itself considers Pakistan a major problem. There is no win win between Pakistan and the US deep state. Biden won't be able to bat an eyelid without US deep state permission. Let alone be convinced by Pakistan behind closed doors.

We have to be crystal clear about US and Indian nexus. There should be no ambiguity. There is no room for cooperation nor reasoning. It took the deep state a few weeks to undo a deal that took years to reach. That is how extremely cunning the deep state is. Is there any room to negotiate with such a stubborn opposition?
 
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great news , we will continue our fight against terrorists .







i see pakistanis are disappointed :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
On contray this is good for us
USA will need to spend more now
With this change ins startegy expect aid to open up to pakistan
 
Trump could care less about Pakistan or Muslims.
I never said that. I believe he got elected by US voters to serve them. What I mean't was his policies were better for Pakistan. And I have no idea why you keep bringing Muslim into this. Geo-politics does not run on religion. And Pakistan is not a religion either anymore then USA is Christianity. Think about this -

  • Young Americans boys are prepared to spill blood and die to protect Erdogan and his mob of Muslims aka Turkey.
  • America was supporting UAE, Saudi to confront Muslim Iran.
  • Muslim Afghanistan is against Muslim Pakistan
  • Muslim Bangladesh is pro Hindu India
  • Christian Russia is pro Muslim Iran but against Christian USA.
  • Muslim Pakistan is pro Athiest China but at odds with Muslim Afghanistan
Do you see any correlation between religion and geo-politics. I certainly don't.
 
On contray this is good for us
USA will need to spend more now
With this change ins startegy expect aid to open up to pakistan
Pakistan should not ask for aid or military equipment. Pakistan should seek USA sanctions against TTP and Balochi terror groups or a free trade agreement. Learn from past mistakes.
 
Very unlikely. Our interests and agendas are totally opposite. The US deep state is religiously convinced that India should be promoted at all cost to tackle China. The US deep state doesn't care about Pakistani concerns. In fact, India has managed to convince the US deep state that Pakistan is a problem in the equation. The US deep state itself considers Pakistan a major problem. There is no win win between Pakistan and the US deep state.

We have to be crystal clear about US and Indian nexus. There should be no ambiguity. There is no room for cooperation nor reasoning. It took the deep state a few weeks to undo a deal that took years to reach. That is how extremely cunning the deep state is. Is there any room to negotiate with such a stubborn opposition?
Stop using the the term “deep state” so casually. You are taking about known US policy. If it’s a real deep state, you will have no idea what it is. You are not as privileged as you think you are.
 
The time of the hadith of Khorasan is close to fulfilled and Attock River will be filled with bloodbath three times.
It makes some sense three times may be means , india , usa and Nato forces
 
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Stop using the the term “deep state” so casually. You are taking about known US policy. If it’s a real deep state, you will have no idea what it is. You are not as privileged as you think you are.

Stop throwing fits. Call them whatever you like. They don't want peace in Afghanistan.

Pakistan will teach these Americans a lesson they won't forget. Nations in the neighborhood have mutual feelings.
 

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