TAI/AgustaWestland T-129 Vs HAL Light Combat Helicopter

[Agent_47]

TAI/AgustaWestland T-129

The TAI T-129 (ATAK) is a Turkish attack helicopter project aimed at supplying the Turkish Army with a modern battlefield performer to complement its existing armored and mechanized forces. The aircraft is based on the successful Italian AgustaWestland AW129 "Mangusta" ("Mongoose") serving with the Italian Army. Despite the obvious ties to the Italian concern and its AW129 design, the T-129 program is largely an indigenous Turkish endeavor headed up by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) with AgustaWestland being retained as the prime contractor (AgustaWestland designates the T-129 as the "AW729"). Aselsan, developer of Turkish military communications and electronics systems, is also onboard as a participating project contributor. First flight of the T-129 was recorded on September 28th, 2009 with development and flight testing ongoing as of this writing (2012). It is expected that the helicopter will achieve operational service sometime in 2013 barring any unforeseen delays. The engines will be locally-produced under license as well. The end-product will also be offered up for export as TAI will hold the rights to the finalized T-129 design. Saudi Arabia is a possible future customer of the T-129 despite their stock of American Hughes AH-64 Apache attack systems already in place (the Apache holds origins dating back to the 1970s). Several other nations have indicated their interest in acquiring the TAI product and up to three prototypes have been completed to date (2012).

Unable to generate much foreign interest for its new attack helicopter requirement, Turkish authorities inked an arrangement with the Italian concern of AgustaWestland to produce an evolved form of its Agusta A129 "Mangusta International" variant that introduced several notable - and beneficial - changes. The original A129 first flew in September of 1983 and was entering frontline service with the Italian Army by the end of the decade. The design marked a milestone in European aviation as it became the first wholly-European attack helicopter to be completed and accepted for operational service. The type has since soldiered on through approximately 60 examples delivered and the helicopter has taken part in several UN-related peace-keeping missions including action in Afghanistan following the fall of the Taliban after 9-11. A few varied forms of the A129 eventually emerged and among these was the A129 "International". This variant introduced a new five-bladed main rotor assembly as well as the M197 Gatling-type cannon coupled to a chin turret. LHTEC T800 series engines were installed and avionics were modernized to compensate for the ever-changing nature of the battlefield. Support for the American Hellfire ATGM and Stinger SAM missile systems was also brought to fruition. In September of 2007, the deal between Turkey and Agusta was finalized to bring the army an evolved form of the Italian product to be developed and produced in Turkey utilizing various locally-designed systems and subsystems in accordance with Turkish Army needs. The program would fall under the local designation of "ATAK" for obvious reasons.

Once in service, the T-129 is expected to be utilized in typical "attack helicopter" roles - anti-armor sorties, armed reconnaissance/patrol, seek-and-destroy and close-air support for accompanying ground forces. Due to the nature of its combat role (low-altitude with possible ground fire exposure), the T-129 will be armored at her critical areas, reveal a low radar signature and sport increased crew survivability through its inherently crash-worthy design. Mission turn-around times and logistical requirements will be designed with minimal effort to help keep crew and aircraft armed and flying during times of war even when operating far from forward bases.

Outwardly, the T-129 will showcase many of the sharp clean lines of the original AgustaWestland product. The major physical defining feature of the T-129 will be its five-bladed main rotor over that of the four-bladed type utilized in the AW129 Mangusta design. The pilots will sit in a stepped, tandem cockpit arrangement with the primary pilot in the rear cockpit and the Weapon Systems Officer (WSO) in the front cockpit (an arrangement common to many attack helicopters today). The fuselage, therefore, is allowed a very thin forward/rear profile with the engine nacelles straddling either side of the upper fuselage. At the extreme front-end of the fuselage is the chin turret that works in conjunction with the nose-mounted optics turret mounted just above and tied to the pilot's Helmet-Mounted Display systems (HMDS). The rear pilot benefits from the raised position while both pilots enjoy relatively unfettered views from the lightly-framed cockpit. The empennage is set low in the design and houses the shaft utilized to run the tail rotor assembly which is set to the portside of the aircraft in a conventional fashion atop the vertical tail fin. A pair of horizontal tailplanes are affixed well below this vertical fin. The undercarriage is static in its design and made up of two single-wheeled main landing gear legs along the forward sides of the fuselage with a single-wheeled tail leg under the vertical tail fin. Weapons will be stored externally across "wingstubs" emanating from either side of the fuselage. In all, the T-129 will showcase much of the same qualities inherent in other dedicated attack helicopter designs of the world.

Technical specifications of the T-129 include a take-off weight of 11,023lbs with a fuselage running length of 41 feet, an overall height of 11.2 feet and rotor diameter of 39 feet. Performance will be enhanced through the pairing of the LHTEC CT S800-4A turboshaft engines (produced under local-license) with FADEC capability generating 1,360 shaft horsepower each. This will allow for a maximum cruise speed of 167 miles per hour, a maximum range is listed at 560 miles and a ferry range of 620 miles. The listed maximum mission endurance time of the helicopter is three hours. The engines will power a five-bladed main rotor assembly and two-bladed tail rotor.

The aircraft is being completed with an integrated Aircraft & Mission Management System (AMMS) and will incorporated a laser range finder, laser designator, CCTV (Closed-Circuit TeleVision) and FLIR (Forward-Looking Infra-Red) into its array of onboard facilities. Each pilot will benefit from the technology inherent in their Helmet Mounted Display Systems (HMDS) that will offer night vision capability as well. Various parts of the aircraft will be covered with infra-red suppression technologies and wire cutters will ensure safety when operating in low-altitude urban environments. The helicopter will be also incorporate an ice detection system that will notify pilots of potentially fatal moisture buildup at key systems. In the event of a crash landing, there will be an integrated Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT) that will work to transmit the location of the aircraft for ensuing rescue.

The T-129 cockpit will sport an Avionic Central Control Computer (ACCC) and a 4-axis Automatic Flight Control System (AFCS). Support for VHF and UHF radios will be standard as will an HF radio and IFF (Identification Friend-or-Foe) transponder. The aircraft will be connected to other participating allied battlefield elements by way of an encrypted data link system that will be capable of transmitting video feeds while onboard communications will make use of a frequency "hopping" measure and voice encryption to help counter the threat of communications interception. Cockpit systems functionality will be such that the T-129 will be able to operate in day/night conditions and through adverse weather and heavy smoke as required.

The T-129 crew will have access to an all-digital fully-modernized cockpit as each position will showcase 2 x Multi-Function Displays (MFDs) complete with a real-time moving map, systems and mission software as well as an Inertial Navigation System (INS), Global Positioning System (GPS) and Doppler navigation suite. The crew will also have access to an active/passive countmeasures package intended to protect the aircraft and pilots from inbound homing aerial threats such as surface-to-air missiles.

Pakistan is evaluating T-129

General characteristics
Crew: 2
Empty Weight:2350kg
Maximum Take-Off Weight:11,023lbs (5,000kg)
Powerplant:Engine(s): 2 x LHTEC CTS800-4A turboshaft engines developing 1,360 horsepower each and driving a five-bladed main rotor and two-bladed tail rotor.

Dimensions:
Length: 47.90ft (14.6m)
Width: 39.04ft (11.90m)
Height: 11.15ft (3.40m)

Performance:
Maximum Speed:171mph (275kmh; 148kts)
Maximum Range: 348miles (560km)
Rate-of-Climb: 2,750ft/min (838m/min)
Service Ceiling: 20,013ft (6,100m; 3.8miles)

Armament Suite:
STANDARD:
1 x 20mm three-barreled Gatling cannon in chin turret.

OPTIONAL

(4 wingstub hardpoints):
8 x AGM-114 Hellfire anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs).
8 x BGM-71 TOW anti-tank wire-guided missiles
4/8 x AIM-92 Stinger short-range air-to-air missiles.
4 x AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air-missiles
4 x 70mm (2.75") FFAR rocket pods (7-shot/19-shot versions).
4 x 12.7mm heavy machine gun pods


HAL Light Combat Helicopter

The HAL Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) is a multirole combat helicopter being developed in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for use by the Indian Air Force and the Indian Army.

The LCH is being designed to fit into an anti-infantry and anti-armour role and will be able to operate at high altitudes, up to 6,000 meters.[14] The LCH design features a narrow fuselage with stealth profiling, armour protection, and will be equipped to conduct day-and-night combat operations. According to reports, the LCH features a digital camouflage system.[15] The LCH has a two-crew cockpit.[16] The helicopter will be equipped with helmet-mounted targeting systems, electronic warfare systems and advanced weapons systems.[citation needed]
Dr. Prasad Sampath, general manager of HAL's Rotary Wing Research & Design Center, told the press during Aero India 2011 that the LCH was ‘probably the most agile design in the world because of its rotor'.[17] Like the Dhruv, it is powered by the HAL/Turbomeca Shakti turboshaft engine.
In 2006, HAL selected the M621 cannon incorporated in a Nexter THL 20 turret for the gun armament of the helicopter, operated by a helmet mounted sight

General characteristics
Crew: 2
Length: 15.8 m (51 ft 8 in)
Rotor diameter: 13.3 m (43 ft 6 in)
Height: 4.7 m (15 ft 4 in)
Disc area: 138.9 m² (1,472 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,250 kg (5,975 lb)
Loaded weight: 3,800 kg (8,405 lb)
Useful load: 3,350 kg (7,410 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 5,800 kg (12,825 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × HAL/Turbomeca Shakti turboshaft, 1,067 kW (1,430 shp[24]) each
Performance
Never exceed speed: 330 km/h (178 knots, 207 mph)
Maximum speed: 275 km/h (148 knots, 171 mph)
Cruise speed: 260 km/h (140 knots, 161 mph)
Range: 700 km (297 nmi, 342 mi)
Service ceiling: 6,500 m (21,300 ft)
Rate of climb: 12 m/s (2,362 ft/min)
Disc loading: 39.59 kg/m² (8.23 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 327 W/kg (0.198 hp/lb)

Armament
Guns: M621 20 mm cannon on Nexter THL-20 turret
Rockets: 60/80 mm caliber rockets[21]
Missiles: MBDA air-to-air missiles
Air-to-surface missiles
Anti-radiation missiles
Helina anti-tank missile
Bombs: Gravity bombs
cluster bombs
grenade launchers

Bath fall under same category so camparison make sense.
Also Pakistan most probably will order t129

 

[Gessler]

The specs of LCH cannot be verified as the binding final stuff. There's a lot to change and
evolve in the LCH, there are only 2 prototypes flying with the 3rd one getting ready to fly
by end-2012. TD-3 will be much closer to the final SP LCH.

Have to wait and see about LCH, there's a lot more surprises this bird has in store for us.

 

[shubhamkumar]

Both look same category but lch is somewhat sleek and slender thus making it more manevorable

 

[Yogi]

ofcourse T-129 is a better machine but T-129 is also relative quite expensive in comparision to lch

In my opinion if a new engine(there r plans for a more powerful engine for lch) is placed along with a 19 rocket pod than Lch will definitely give T-129 run for its money

 

[karan21]

Lch right now is not weaponised. T129 looks deadly too. Comparing final configurations of these machines, it is hard to say which one is better.

 

[Terminator]

TAI/AgustaWestland T-129

The TAI T-129 (ATAK) is a Turkish attack helicopter project aimed at supplying the Turkish Army with a modern battlefield performer to complement its existing armored and mechanized forces. The aircraft is based on the successful Italian AgustaWestland AW129 "Mangusta" ("Mongoose") serving with the Italian Army. Despite the obvious ties to the Italian concern and its AW129 design, the T-129 program is largely an indigenous Turkish endeavor headed up by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) with AgustaWestland being retained as the prime contractor (AgustaWestland designates the T-129 as the "AW729"). Aselsan, developer of Turkish military communications and electronics systems, is also onboard as a participating project contributor. First flight of the T-129 was recorded on September 28th, 2009 with development and flight testing ongoing as of this writing (2012). It is expected that the helicopter will achieve operational service sometime in 2013 barring any unforeseen delays. The engines will be locally-produced under license as well. The end-product will also be offered up for export as TAI will hold the rights to the finalized T-129 design. Saudi Arabia is a possible future customer of the T-129 despite their stock of American Hughes AH-64 Apache attack systems already in place (the Apache holds origins dating back to the 1970s). Several other nations have indicated their interest in acquiring the TAI product and up to three prototypes have been completed to date (2012).

Unable to generate much foreign interest for its new attack helicopter requirement, Turkish authorities inked an arrangement with the Italian concern of AgustaWestland to produce an evolved form of its Agusta A129 "Mangusta International" variant that introduced several notable - and beneficial - changes. The original A129 first flew in September of 1983 and was entering frontline service with the Italian Army by the end of the decade. The design marked a milestone in European aviation as it became the first wholly-European attack helicopter to be completed and accepted for operational service. The type has since soldiered on through approximately 60 examples delivered and the helicopter has taken part in several UN-related peace-keeping missions including action in Afghanistan following the fall of the Taliban after 9-11. A few varied forms of the A129 eventually emerged and among these was the A129 "International". This variant introduced a new five-bladed main rotor assembly as well as the M197 Gatling-type cannon coupled to a chin turret. LHTEC T800 series engines were installed and avionics were modernized to compensate for the ever-changing nature of the battlefield. Support for the American Hellfire ATGM and Stinger SAM missile systems was also brought to fruition. In September of 2007, the deal between Turkey and Agusta was finalized to bring the army an evolved form of the Italian product to be developed and produced in Turkey utilizing various locally-designed systems and subsystems in accordance with Turkish Army needs. The program would fall under the local designation of "ATAK" for obvious reasons.

Once in service, the T-129 is expected to be utilized in typical "attack helicopter" roles - anti-armor sorties, armed reconnaissance/patrol, seek-and-destroy and close-air support for accompanying ground forces. Due to the nature of its combat role (low-altitude with possible ground fire exposure), the T-129 will be armored at her critical areas, reveal a low radar signature and sport increased crew survivability through its inherently crash-worthy design. Mission turn-around times and logistical requirements will be designed with minimal effort to help keep crew and aircraft armed and flying during times of war even when operating far from forward bases.

Outwardly, the T-129 will showcase many of the sharp clean lines of the original AgustaWestland product. The major physical defining feature of the T-129 will be its five-bladed main rotor over that of the four-bladed type utilized in the AW129 Mangusta design. The pilots will sit in a stepped, tandem cockpit arrangement with the primary pilot in the rear cockpit and the Weapon Systems Officer (WSO) in the front cockpit (an arrangement common to many attack helicopters today). The fuselage, therefore, is allowed a very thin forward/rear profile with the engine nacelles straddling either side of the upper fuselage. At the extreme front-end of the fuselage is the chin turret that works in conjunction with the nose-mounted optics turret mounted just above and tied to the pilot's Helmet-Mounted Display systems (HMDS). The rear pilot benefits from the raised position while both pilots enjoy relatively unfettered views from the lightly-framed cockpit. The empennage is set low in the design and houses the shaft utilized to run the tail rotor assembly which is set to the portside of the aircraft in a conventional fashion atop the vertical tail fin. A pair of horizontal tailplanes are affixed well below this vertical fin. The undercarriage is static in its design and made up of two single-wheeled main landing gear legs along the forward sides of the fuselage with a single-wheeled tail leg under the vertical tail fin. Weapons will be stored externally across "wingstubs" emanating from either side of the fuselage. In all, the T-129 will showcase much of the same qualities inherent in other dedicated attack helicopter designs of the world.

Technical specifications of the T-129 include a take-off weight of 11,023lbs with a fuselage running length of 41 feet, an overall height of 11.2 feet and rotor diameter of 39 feet. Performance will be enhanced through the pairing of the LHTEC CT S800-4A turboshaft engines (produced under local-license) with FADEC capability generating 1,360 shaft horsepower each. This will allow for a maximum cruise speed of 167 miles per hour, a maximum range is listed at 560 miles and a ferry range of 620 miles. The listed maximum mission endurance time of the helicopter is three hours. The engines will power a five-bladed main rotor assembly and two-bladed tail rotor.

The aircraft is being completed with an integrated Aircraft & Mission Management System (AMMS) and will incorporated a laser range finder, laser designator, CCTV (Closed-Circuit TeleVision) and FLIR (Forward-Looking Infra-Red) into its array of onboard facilities. Each pilot will benefit from the technology inherent in their Helmet Mounted Display Systems (HMDS) that will offer night vision capability as well. Various parts of the aircraft will be covered with infra-red suppression technologies and wire cutters will ensure safety when operating in low-altitude urban environments. The helicopter will be also incorporate an ice detection system that will notify pilots of potentially fatal moisture buildup at key systems. In the event of a crash landing, there will be an integrated Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT) that will work to transmit the location of the aircraft for ensuing rescue.

The T-129 cockpit will sport an Avionic Central Control Computer (ACCC) and a 4-axis Automatic Flight Control System (AFCS). Support for VHF and UHF radios will be standard as will an HF radio and IFF (Identification Friend-or-Foe) transponder. The aircraft will be connected to other participating allied battlefield elements by way of an encrypted data link system that will be capable of transmitting video feeds while onboard communications will make use of a frequency "hopping" measure and voice encryption to help counter the threat of communications interception. Cockpit systems functionality will be such that the T-129 will be able to operate in day/night conditions and through adverse weather and heavy smoke as required.

The T-129 crew will have access to an all-digital fully-modernized cockpit as each position will showcase 2 x Multi-Function Displays (MFDs) complete with a real-time moving map, systems and mission software as well as an Inertial Navigation System (INS), Global Positioning System (GPS) and Doppler navigation suite. The crew will also have access to an active/passive countmeasures package intended to protect the aircraft and pilots from inbound homing aerial threats such as surface-to-air missiles.

Pakistan is evaluating T-129

General characteristics
Crew: 2
Empty Weight:2350kg
Maximum Take-Off Weight:11,023lbs (5,000kg)
Powerplant:Engine(s): 2 x LHTEC CTS800-4A turboshaft engines developing 1,360 horsepower each and driving a five-bladed main rotor and two-bladed tail rotor.

Dimensions:
Length: 47.90ft (14.6m)
Width: 39.04ft (11.90m)
Height: 11.15ft (3.40m)

Performance:
Maximum Speed:171mph (275kmh; 148kts)
Maximum Range: 348miles (560km)
Rate-of-Climb: 2,750ft/min (838m/min)
Service Ceiling: 20,013ft (6,100m; 3.8miles)

Armament Suite:
STANDARD:
1 x 20mm three-barreled Gatling cannon in chin turret.

OPTIONAL

(4 wingstub hardpoints):
8 x AGM-114 Hellfire anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs).
8 x BGM-71 TOW anti-tank wire-guided missiles
4/8 x AIM-92 Stinger short-range air-to-air missiles.
4 x AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air-missiles
4 x 70mm (2.75") FFAR rocket pods (7-shot/19-shot versions).
4 x 12.7mm heavy machine gun pods


HAL Light Combat Helicopter

The HAL Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) is a multirole combat helicopter being developed in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for use by the Indian Air Force and the Indian Army.

The LCH is being designed to fit into an anti-infantry and anti-armour role and will be able to operate at high altitudes, up to 6,000 meters.[14] The LCH design features a narrow fuselage with stealth profiling, armour protection, and will be equipped to conduct day-and-night combat operations. According to reports, the LCH features a digital camouflage system.[15] The LCH has a two-crew cockpit.[16] The helicopter will be equipped with helmet-mounted targeting systems, electronic warfare systems and advanced weapons systems.[citation needed]
Dr. Prasad Sampath, general manager of HAL's Rotary Wing Research & Design Center, told the press during Aero India 2011 that the LCH was ‘probably the most agile design in the world because of its rotor'.[17] Like the Dhruv, it is powered by the HAL/Turbomeca Shakti turboshaft engine.
In 2006, HAL selected the M621 cannon incorporated in a Nexter THL 20 turret for the gun armament of the helicopter, operated by a helmet mounted sight

General characteristics
Crew: 2
Length: 15.8 m (51 ft 8 in)
Rotor diameter: 13.3 m (43 ft 6 in)
Height: 4.7 m (15 ft 4 in)
Disc area: 138.9 m² (1,472 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,250 kg (5,975 lb)
Loaded weight: 3,800 kg (8,405 lb)
Useful load: 3,350 kg (7,410 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 5,800 kg (12,825 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × HAL/Turbomeca Shakti turboshaft, 1,067 kW (1,430 shp[24]) each
Performance
Never exceed speed: 330 km/h (178 knots, 207 mph)
Maximum speed: 275 km/h (148 knots, 171 mph)
Cruise speed: 260 km/h (140 knots, 161 mph)
Range: 700 km (297 nmi, 342 mi)
Service ceiling: 6,500 m (21,300 ft)
Rate of climb: 12 m/s (2,362 ft/min)
Disc loading: 39.59 kg/m² (8.23 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 327 W/kg (0.198 hp/lb)

Armament
Guns: M621 20 mm cannon on Nexter THL-20 turret
Rockets: 60/80 mm caliber rockets[21]
Missiles: MBDA air-to-air missiles
Air-to-surface missiles
Anti-radiation missiles
Helina anti-tank missile
Bombs: Gravity bombs
cluster bombs
grenade launchers

Bath fall under same category so camparison make sense.
Also Pakistan most probably will order t129

LCH has been designed keeping Kargil war in view, it was felt at Kargil war that an light weight combat helicopter would have been more useful. LCH is supposed to help troops at high altitude & difficult terren...LCH is uncomparable with any heli gunship in world as it has been designed with unique requirements for our forces.

 

[INDIAISM]

To be frank their is not much in the specification were you can differentiate between both of them....

But still the biggest advantage of LCH over TAI 129 will be-

a}It will be more affordable as compare to TAI 129...

b}LCH will have more chances of evolving as compare to TAI 129..as it has combine order of 179 as compare to 60 of TAI 129...Not only that even HAL Dhruv and Dhruv Rudra will also help in evolving alot of its systems......

c}No American Factor in LCH...on the other hand TAI 129 is using American Engine....

d}Its share alot of spare parts with Hal Dhruv...so it will be alot better for the countries who are operating Dhruv to go for Hal LCH as it will reduce the maintanace cost.....


And on the other hand the biggest advantage as well the biggest weakness of TAI 129 is...that it is build on trusted platform Agusta A129...but on the other hand it also has to compete with Agusta A129 to get its share in Combat Helicopter market.....

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

Just see the amount of extra luggage it can carry..

 

[Sergi]

Answer is simple Play power game. field 3 LCHs against 1 T-129. So no need to compare anything

 

[madmusti]

@Indians&Co !

http://inciswf.com/skender_clip0.swf

 

[fsayed]

lch is the best in the light weight catagory attack helicopter + cost effective can deploy in numbers

just look at this beauty

 

[$@rJen]

I hate the Paint job of LCH look at the turkish one... Good Paint job

 

[rockstarIN]

Look at the service ceiling, thats what we want, to operate at high altitude areas.

 

[Neptune]

@cabatli_53 I think you are the one who can tell us most about the T129 bro.

 

[Superboy]

IMO LCH is an observation / light attack helicopter sort of like WZ-19 and OH-1 whereas T-129 is a dedicated attack helicopter sort of like WZ-10 and Tiger.