T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[Malik Alashter]

It is normal since There are 2-3 countries that is able to produce those critical proven thermal imager technologies in NATO and The countries who want to produce own thermal sight systems, should order critical components from those few sources inside/outside NATO. In additions, Noone of India and Russia have thermal imager technologies so You can see SAGEM detectors on Russian attack helicopters and tanks as well.

Turkey is among those rare states that have succesfully developed 2nd and 3rd generation imager detectors after the research done during 15 years.

So Russia didn't produce these detectors so how about their products prior the ninties you mean they were buying from the nato their opponent.

How about China they don't produce them too?.

 

[cabatli_53]

Sorry mate, Altay is not an option for pakistan. Live with it.

If you look at the post you quoted, It was Altay's subsystems told above, not Altay itself. There are some source like defencenews pointing out cooperation intention of HIT for Altay subsystems. With this way, It motivate all members from each side to compare minus/plus sides of both companies on their own ruling technologies to be benefical for Pakistan so Nothing strange to talk about them. Live with it or not, Personally don't care !

So Russia didn't produce these detectors so how about their products prior the ninties you mean they were buying from the nato their opponent.

How about China they don't produce them too?.

It is known that Russia don't have such critical component technologies to be used on their own and wellknown platforms If nothing changed within 2-3 years. Russian members can also enlighten the thread regarding this issue. It is also impossible to succesfully develop those critical subsystems in such a short time. If you look at their upgrade solutions for attack helicopters for example, They offers foreign thermal and FLIR's for costumers. Thermal issue is a problem for Russians. Turkey ordered Kornet ATGM in past years but Turkish army did not satisfy sight performance of Kornets, especially in night conditions so Aselsan developed a new thermal sight system called SAGER which is superior to what Russia produced for Kornets.

About China, I don't know, They may have such detector technologies. I believe Japan and S. Korea have it. Different than those, Franch, Germany, USA, Sweeden, Israel have. Canada also developed 3rd generation Quantum well infrared detectors but I don't know whether they are industrially producing them to point out as supplier, since Producing the detectors on large numbers are more costly and difficult than developing a prototype on labratory scale.

Turkey started development of Quantum detectors in 1999. Today, Aselsan is among those mentioned developers which is able to produce them for own and costumers' requirements. Different type of detectors such as NIR, SWIR are under development phase for spy satellites and other applications.

Monitoring the Ankara with domestic detectors+ Pod

Usage areaes of those detectors are extremely wide from space to tanks, submarines, helicopters, frigates so Exportation of them are restricted with special pemissions.

You can watch all process of QWIP detectors in that video

 

[Dazzler]

If you look at the post you quoted, It was Altay's subsystems told above, not Altay itself. There are some source like defencenews pointing out cooperation intention of HIT for Altay subsystems. With this way, It motivate all members from each side to compare minus/plus sides of both companies on their own ruling technologies to be benefical for Pakistan so Nothing strange to talk about them. Live with it or not, Personally don't care !



It is known that Russia don't have such critical component technologies to be used on their own and wellknown platforms If nothing changed within 2-3 years. Russian members can also enlighten the thread regarding this issue. It is also impossible to succesfully develop those critical subsystems in such a short time. If you look at their upgrade solutions for attack helicopters for example, They offers foreign thermal and FLIR's for costumers. Thermal issue is a problem for Russians. Turkey ordered Kornet ATGM in past years but Turkish army did not satisfy sight performance of Kornets, especially in night conditions so Aselsan developed a new thermal sight system called SAGER which is superior to what Russia produced for Kornets.

About China, I don't know, They may have such detector technologies. I believe Japan and S. Korea have it. Different than those, Franch, Germany, USA, Sweeden, Israel have. Canada also developed 3rd generation Quantum well infrared detectors but I don't know whether they are industrially producing them to point out as supplier, since Producing the detectors on large numbers are more costly and difficult than developing a prototype on labratory scale.

Turkey started development of Quantum detectors in 1999. Today, Aselsan is among those mentioned developers which is able to produce them for own and costumers' requirements. Different type of detectors such as NIR, SWIR are under development phase for spy satellites and other applications.

Monitoring the Ankara with domestic detectors+ Pod

Usage areaes of those detectors are extremely wide from space to tanks, submarines, helicopters, frigates so Exportation of them are restricted with special pemissions.

You can watch all process of QWIP detectors in that video

You don't get it don't you? You don't have to market your products in every other thread. Read the title and reply accordingly. Even Pakistan is making some excellent tank subsystems being used on AK AZ and t-80ud.

Hope you get it.

india has yet to produce or develop a decent "APDS" ... This has been discussed to death .. @Dazzler. What was the highest penetration value claimed by indian ? 400ish?




Oplot M weights around 51 tons... AK at 48.

Less than 500mm at 2000 meter front on the turret @0 °

 

[cabatli_53]

You don't get it don't you? You don't have to market your products in every other thread. Read the title and reply accordingly. Even Pakistan is making some excellent tank subsystems being used on AK AZ and t-80ud.

Hope you get it.

Dude, Threads are to talk about every items to be pointed out by sources shared by members. None of us here are officials who is charged to market countries product portfolios so Talking about subsystem details of Altay as a candidate of Pakistani future tank projects should not get you irritate since There are some serious source telling cooperation issues with Turkey regarding upgrading/new tank solutions from the mouth of HIT officials. There are some other members who is voicing importance of such collaborations so Enlightening the details of tools which is being talked about under the name of alternative cooperation subject, is not a bad thing in a thread whose tittile is T-84 oplot M the new war horse of Pakistan, Since noone of us have any details about this tittile but having some source pointing out collaboration issues with Turkey but don't know whether It contains this new purchase or not. In additions, Talking about likely cooperations in paralel with sources has nothing to do with criticizing/decying Pakistani subsystem capabilities. We have just source and subjects in our hands and just expressing our ideas with some details in paralel with thread tittle. Now, Live it or not, your personnal choice...

 

[Blue Marlin]

You want this one to be ruined ? For once our friends (Indian Members) should be appreciated for not creating problems.


For a few years Pakistan was monitoring the development of Oplot-M and when it was offered a few years back in IDEAS it was with TOT. Last month finally it was delivered and tested and now it is chosen...

now i am going to wait a long time for a press realise to confirm

 

[Sulman Badshah]

@WebMaster @Horus

please delete the thread ... as officials haven't made it public yet

other reason i have inboxed in the facebook page

 

[FunkyGen]

There is the real you, I have nothing to do with sales but you surely are a turk salesman. If your analogy is taken at face value, no forum thread should have a title right? All the general discussions should be welcomed.

Buzz off mate its getting boring for me. Discuss on topic or go to your related forum. Save your sales pitch for some other time.

Calm down bro. why are you so angry?
He's a turk brother he can do sales pitch we should be fine with it, no?

 

[Tipu7]

Unlike our neighbours we don't change names of foriegn systems.

P.S: OPLOT M isn't t-84۔

1500hp deserve a new name..... isn't it??
Let's not give them any JALALI name like AlHaider........ how about T84oplot P.......... P for Pakistan........

 

[Zarvan]

Request to mods here please delete photos of T-84 OPLOT M under going tests here because a Brigadier level officer has contacted some members of forum through Facebook and requested this. Officer credibility is online
@WebMaster @Horus @Oscar @IRFAN ALI BALOCH @Irfan Baloch @Manticore @waz

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Request to mods here please delete photos of T-84 OPLOT M under going tests here because a Brigadier level officer has contacted some members of forum through Facebook and requested this. Officer credibility is online
@WebMaster @Horus @Oscar @IRFAN ALI BALOCH @Irfan Baloch @Manticore @waz

Any chance of Iranian deal with world powers going to have an impact on Pakistan's products and vice versa...

 

[Manticore]

Request to mods here please delete photos of T-84 OPLOT M under going tests here because a Brigadier level officer has contacted some members of forum through Facebook and requested this. Officer credibility is online
@WebMaster @Horus @Oscar @IRFAN ALI BALOCH @Irfan Baloch @Manticore @waz

tell me post numbers where the pics are posted .. ive deleted the op

 

[Zarvan]

tell me post numbers where the pics are posted .. ive deleted the op

It was mainly on original post and the tests are not complete yet Sir still on going

 

[Andrei_bt]

Any chance of Iranian deal with world powers going to have an impact on Pakistan's products and vice versa...

In what manner?
BTW iranian T-72+80UD -

 

[HRK]

@Manticore check following post of this thread
post 141
post 206

post 1 form Another gift arrived MBT-3000 thread

 

[kaonalpha]

@ https://defence.pk/members/horus.15719/



There is only one solution to delete this thread wich I quoted earlier