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Stunning Image Of China’s ‘Apache Helicopter’ (Z-10ME) Breaks Internet; Netizens Speculate A Possible Sale To Pakistan

Is the power output of the future Pakistani Z-10 engines (WZ-9C or the WZ-10 engines) at 1600 kw each?

With the higher thrust over the original WZ-9 engines, does this helicopter match the performance of the T-129 in terms of operating at high enough altitudes.

Also is it possible, with this higher thrust could the Helicopter be upgraded with the original planned features; especially the twin sensor pods instead of just one, so the helicopter can do hunter killer ops more efficiently, like the Apache?

Perhaps an Apache class helicopter is underdeveloped (with twin sensors and a larger 30 mm gun), especially to counter the Indians and their Apaches at the LAC, and we may see the use of the even higher thrust WZ-16 engines current in use on the AC-352 helicopter.

 
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Is the power output of the future Pakistani Z-10 engines (WZ-9C or the WZ-10 engines) at 1600 kw each?

With the higher thrust over the original WZ-9 engines, does this helicopter match the performance of the T-129 in terms of operating at high enough altitudes.

Also is it possible, with this higher thrust could the Helicopter be upgraded with the original planned features; especially the twin sensor pods instead of just one, so the helicopter can do hunter killer ops more efficiently, like the Apache?

Perhaps an Apache class helicopter is underdeveloped (with twin sensors and a larger 30 mm gun), especially to counter the Indians and their Apaches at the LAC, and we may see the use of the even higher thrust WZ-16 engines current in use on the AC-352 helicopter.

These aren't heavy helis like Apache. With MM radar and PL-9 missiles tho, should be a pretty even match against India's Apaches.
 
These aren't heavy helis like Apache. With MM radar and PL-9 missiles tho, should be a pretty even match against India's Apaches.
In the plains, the Z-10 will hopefully good enough with the 1000 kw WZ-9C engines, but in higher altitudes, more powerful engines maybe needed to get over mountains instead of having to go around them (via time consuming valley routes) while also carrying a decent amount of payload.

For this goal, a heavier helo is probably underdevelopment in China using the WZ-16 engines recently unveiled on the AC-352 helicopter.
 
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In the plains, the Z-10 should be fine, but in higher altitudes, more powerful engines maybe needed to get over mountains instead of having to go around them (via time consuming valley routes) while also carrying a decent amount of payload. For this goal, a heavier helo is probably underdevelopment in China using the WZ-16 engines recently unveiled on the AC-352 helicopter.
Z-10s got new engines. PLA's operating them in tibet
 
Perhaps that’s the ones (WZ-10 engines; 1600 kw ?) the PA is getting as well instead of the WZ-9C (1000 kw)

If it is the WZ-10 engine and they do have an engine power of 1600 kw, then would be a match for the Apaches


Does anyone know the name and engine power of the engines of the PA Z-10s?
Should be wz-9h, a 1200kw improved engine.
In addition, according to the exhibition board of the Zhuhai Air Show, the wz-10 should be a 2000kw engine, which is obviously excess power for the z-10 with a maximum takeoff of 6 tons.
The wz-10 is suitable for the z-20 with a maximum take-off of 10 tons.
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Should be wz-9h, a 1200kw improved engine.
In addition, according to the exhibition board of the Zhuhai Air Show, the wz-10 should be a 2000kw engine, which is obviously excess power for the z-10 with a maximum takeoff of 6 tons.
The wz-10 is suitable for the z-20 with a maximum take-off of 10 tons.
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Perhaps a WZ-10 equipped attack helicopter will be developed soon for a follow up order and operations in Tibet/Xinjiang for the PLA and Northern and Western Pakistan for the PA, alongside the Z-20.
 
WZ-16 engines recently unveiled on the AC-352 helicopter.
I doubt WZ-16 can be used by the military since it's a joint venture with France. I could be wrong.
 
I doubt WZ-16 can be used by the military since it's a joint venture with France. I could be wrong.
Perhaps the “WZ-16” may not be, but some derivative, based on the technology or a combination of inputs (such as Russian input from their Mi-28 Havov Helicopters and its engine) could conceivably be developed, which could be used in a heavy attack helicopter. I wouldn’t be surprised if a future Chinese Heavy Attack helicopter gets help from the designers of the Mi-28 as well as Kamov, although the PLA will probably try to leapfrog to a design similar to one of the proposed future US army Attack Helicopter designs; probably the RaiderX design for FARA. This kind of design (with its signature reduction design and twin rotors) would also payoff for a future fast transport helicopter for special forces

Either way, a heavy helicopter, which can fly over the mountains and get to a battle quickly maybe essential in a future conflict in the Himalayas. Also, a heavier helicopter could carry heavier and better sensors (such as a separate EO/IR sensor for each the pilot and gunner to enable hunter killer capabilities), as well as better comms and defenses.

The Apache AH-64D Block III is what is also known as the AH-64E Guardian. This is one of the challenges Chinese troops and military installations may face on the LAC. It’s ability to climb over the mountains with a decent payload could be an essential requirement.

 
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Is the WZ-10 called the WuZhi 10 in official PLA designation?
 
It is a beauty.

Only flaw I see is the gears can't be retracted. Not sure how much drag they produce.
Fix landing gear is for safety purpose. It is to absorb crash impact from loss of power and save pilot lives. In emergency loss of power, they will be high chance , landing gear not able to extract or simply no time to extract the gear out for landing.
 
Is the power output of the future Pakistani Z-10 engines (WZ-9C or the WZ-10 engines) at 1600 kw each?

With the higher thrust over the original WZ-9 engines, does this helicopter match the performance of the T-129 in terms of operating at high enough altitudes.

Also is it possible, with this higher thrust could the Helicopter be upgraded with the original planned features; especially the twin sensor pods instead of just one, so the helicopter can do hunter killer ops more efficiently, like the Apache?

Perhaps an Apache class helicopter is underdeveloped (with twin sensors and a larger 30 mm gun), especially to counter the Indians and their Apaches at the LAC, and we may see the use of the even higher thrust WZ-16 engines current in use on the AC-352 helicopter.

Z-10ME is equipped with two WZ-9G engines (1200 kW class). But what is the MTBF rating and serviceability requirements?

Z-10ME can carry up to 8 (HJ-10) missiles as the maximum useful payload. Higher payload will put much stress on the frame and engines.

Many YouTubers are working with theoreticals. They are not privy to operational realities of the machines. Comparisons with Apache are premature to be honest.

Z-10ME is much better than the original Z-10 tested by Pakistan Army in the (2015 - 2016) period, however. CIAC developed Z-10ME configuration with feedback of Pakistan Army. This is the best WE can get for now.
 
Stunning Image Of China’s ‘Apache Helicopter’ (Z-10ME) Breaks Internet; Netizens Speculate A Possible Sale To Pakistan

BySakshi Tiwari

August 3, 2022
For the first time, a clear image of China’s Z-10ME assault helicopter emerged on the internet, leaving netizens awestruck. The Z-10ME is the export variant of China’s latest attack helicopter, which is already in service with the People’s Liberation Army.

Chinese military observer posted a photo of the Z-10ME, a modified export variant of the Z-10 attack helicopter, on Twitter. The new configuration was seen alongside the old one for a visual comparison. According to the expert, the image was taken from Chinese social media Weibo.

Not too long ago, the Z-10 helicopters participated in a live fire exercise conducted by the army aviation brigade attached to the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Xinjiang Military Command in the Karakoram Mountains, as previously reported by EurAsian Times.

The Z-10 is said to be rivaled by the American Apaches.


The Z-10 is an attack helicopter with a 1,120-kilometer range and weighs roughly 5,100 kilos when empty. It includes a 23-millimeter caliber revolver pistol and four external hardpoints that can hold air-to-ground, air-to-air, and rocket launchers.

Up to 16 anti-tank missiles, four multiple 7-barrel rocket launchers, or two multiple 32-barrel rocket launchers can be mounted on the helicopter with the ability to employ different combinations for various missions.

For instance, missiles can be employed against tanks and armored vehicles, while rockets and guns will be used against infantry.

The Z-10 is easier to manage, has a more extended range, and has an excellent multi-tasking capability than its international competitors, such as the Eurocopter Tiger, due to its excellent aerodynamic design and domestically produced engine handling, and maneuverability.

The WZ-16 engine, which was reportedly being developed with assistance from French helicopter engine manufacturer Safran Helicopter Engines to realize the high-altitude capability in Z-10s, has reportedly been installed in its most recent border patrols.

While a lot remains known about the Z-10 attack helicopter, there are precise details about the modified export variant Z-10ME, which is now all over the internet.

Most Advanced Z-10 Variant To Be Exported
According to its manufacturer, China’s made-for-export attack helicopter Z-10ME is outfitted with a new infrared depressor that increases its ability to evade adversarial missiles. The helicopter reportedly has upward-facing exhausts, first observed at the Zhuhai Air Show 2018.

In 2018, a domestic technological inspection was completed for the independently built medium-sized attack helicopter, Z-10ME, which was designed primarily for the global arms market. It features an infrared depressor, a sand filter, bulletproof armor, and crash-resistant pilot seats.

The six-ton-class Z-10ME can fly with excellent mobility at very low altitudes, enabling it to unleash powerful firepower while maintaining high survivability. The manufacturer claimed it could battle day and night and carry various guided and unguided air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons.

A Twitter user observed that the export variant visible in the new photograph has become heavier. Even though details are missing, the new helicopter has improved motorization.



In addition, the new helicopter is likely fitted with better engines, allowing it to fly at higher altitudes. The helicopter was last seen at the Singapore Air Show in February 2022, where it was displayed in the helicopter exhibition area alongside Z-19E, and the Z-9WE, according to China Military.

Military experts claim that several nations in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and South America require medium-sized attack helicopters with adequate firepower that are less expensive than the US-made AH-64 Apache, making the economical Z-10ME a smart alternative.

Z-10ME For Pakistan?
In January 2022, Pakistan decided against purchasing the Turkish-built T129 attack helicopter in favor of the Chinese-made Z-10ME. The announcement was made on January 5 by Major General Babar Iftikhar, spokesman for the Pakistani Army.

When asked if the Turkish arrangement was still in place during a news conference, Iftikhar responded by saying that Pakistan had moved on as far as the Turkish deal was concerned. He had then stated that talks with China to purchase new Z-10ME attack helicopters were in progress.

The deal for 30 Turkish T129 ATAK helicopters was valued at $1.5 billion. It was reportedly called off due to the delays in procurement.

The US refused to grant permission to export the LHTEC T800-4A engines, a variation of the CTS800 engine jointly developed by Honeywell and Rolls-Royce, leading to the delays.

The Z-10ME is comparable to the T129 ATAK in terms of performance, capacities, sensors, and equipment. Pakistan will be the first foreign buyer of the Chinese helicopter if the deal goes through, just as it was with the J-10C.

It is unclear how many helicopters Islamabad will purchase, but the number is speculated to be 30, the same as the T129 ATAK deal. Some online users suspect that a purchase will be made by 2023. However, there has been no official statement regarding the same yet.

How much armor protection Z 10 has compared to Apache? Apache's broad jaw offers protection to cockpit. Z 10 looks like a basic design. Americans claims apache can sustain RPG hits. Can Z 10 take that?
Apache's machine gun moves with pilot's helmet which Z 10 may not have.
 
Z-10ME is equipped with two WZ-9G engines (1200 kW class). But what is the MTBF rating and serviceability requirements?

Z-10ME can carry up to 8 (HJ-10) missiles with as the maximum useful payload. Higher payload will put much stress on the frame and engines.

Many YouTubers are working with theoreticals. They are not privy to operational realities of the machines. Comparisons with Apache are premature to be honest.

Z-10ME is much better than the original Z-10 tested by Pakistan Army in the (2015 - 2016) period, however. CIAC developed Z-10ME configuration with feedback of Pakistan Army. This is the best WE can get for now.

Alot of the systems coming out of China do not state airframe lifespans, nor do they specify MTBF, MTBO, cost, fuel efficiency ratings.

We dont know if the Chinese have caught up with the Russians interms of MTBF, MTBO, cost, fuel efficiency ratings, let alone potentially have leap frogged them.

If they were good - the Chinese would be shouting about the values from the roof tops. But they dont, and that information is simply not available anywhere.

Makes you wonder..
 

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