farhan_9909
PROFESSIONAL
- Joined
- Oct 21, 2009
- Messages
- 8,989
- Reaction score
- 10
- Country
- Location
I would nt mind if we purchase the 5000HP power engine from india instead of South korean 3000HP.
Spain offers used engines for railways
- Thread starter ajpirzada
- Start date
Skull and Bones
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Jan 29, 2011
- Messages
- 18,601
- Reaction score
- -4
- Country
- Location
300-400 numbers are huge, why not call for a global tender and evaluate the best suitable for your needs other than leaning for a single vendor. And without the price given, going for used engine doesn't make any sense. Better option will be to buy 50-100 new engines of shelf from the selected vendor and build the rest in home. It will be both cost effective and good for your R&D.
Capt.Popeye
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Apr 5, 2010
- Messages
- 11,937
- Reaction score
- 12
These are excellent locomotives.
India has initialled an agreement with the USA (during Obama's visit to India) to be manufactured in India. Most of the existing Diesel Locomotives built in India are carry-ons of ALCO-GE designs, so setting up the production line will be a cinch.
Pakistan should definitely consider purchasing those locomotives,
Yeah it will be economical and the stuff will be good in quality too.
I'm not saying go for peace buy rail engines while prepare to bomb each other in mean time
Like India import cement from pakistan and Pakistan imports vegetables, machines, cotton while we hate each other.
Guli Danda
BANNED
- Joined
- Oct 15, 2010
- Messages
- 489
- Reaction score
- 0
Thanks,for letting Chinese know,the quality of their products,i hope some Chinese read this post.
One Pakistani tells some thing Bad for chines 
My-Analogous
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 9, 2009
- Messages
- 7,013
- Reaction score
- 2
- Country
- Location
He is minded person and i like him
Fix the engines
Imran Bajwa
Has anybody heard about a country that cant spare $40 million to save a national asset worth $10,000 million and over 90,000 jobs while still buying F-16s worth $3,000 million?
That fateful country is Pakistan and the national asset is Pakistan Railways. Lets begin by analysing Indian Railways.
Indian Railways posted a net revenue growth of above 50 percent during the last four years, the same four years when Pakistan Railway employees were blocking trains to ensure their next months salary or the overhead electric cables were being stolen near Khanewal or kilometres of rail track were being stolen from defunct and non-performing routes.
Indian Railways had a turnover of $18,600 million last year. Pakistan Railways could only do $235 million, just over 1 percent of their neighbour. Indian Railways earned $3,750 million profit while Pakistanis couldnt do even one tenth of that in total revenue and suffered tens of millions of dollars in losses. Here also we need to match India.
Three generals under president Pervez Musharraf were handed over the task of turning round Pakistan Railways but even they couldnt. Engines burnt in Sindh in the aftermath of Benazir Bhuttos assassination are still parked in railway yards awaiting repair. In total over 100 locomotives are currently parked in the railway yards in Karachi, Rawalpindi and Lahore, awaiting basic repairs. They require $40 million worth of spare parts.
Our cabinet, instead, sanctioned the purchase of 150 new engines not so long ago at an estimated budget of over $300 million.
The purchase of new engines has been a hot topic in Islamabad since the last three years with both the Americans and Chinese willing to provide over $400 million in credits for 250 new engines. The American and Chinese lobbies in Islamabad are fighting to the hilt to ensure this new business for their respective rail industries. Bidding for this new business has already been shelved a couple of times to strike some balance between these titans.
Pakistan, meanwhile, has virtually shut down its own assembly line for the very same engines gifted by the Japanese in 1994. This national asset is called Risalpur Locomotive Engine Factory. Commissioned at a cost of about $100 million in 1994 by the Japanese to help Pakistan stabilise its dying railways, the Risalpur Factory could only assemble 97 engines during the last 16 years. This factory was designed for 48 engines every year in a single shift. With only 12 percent results, the Japanese who financed this project and helped train our engineers were so disappointed with the direction of Pakistan that they themselves advised the Pakistani government to sell this factory to the private sector, in 2004. But the Railways Ministry kept this wonderful factory since the last 16 years just to ensure that the machinery in this factory rusts irreversibly, while they keep buying new engines.
India, on the other hand, made over 4,000 locomotive engines and more than 42,000 bogies/coaches during the same 16 years. In fact, the Indians are currently making one locomotive engine and 11 coaches every day. Lets try and understand this whole rail business first. Different spare parts used in a railway engine are made by over 150 companies around the world. Then there are companies that buy these spare parts from different vendors and assemble these parts into a full engine. About 30 commercial assembly plants of these engines exist around the world today.
The heart of a railway engine is the diesel generator. These are all made in the US by General Motors, General Electric and ALCO (three of the largest American firms). Even the Americans assemble these generators from spare parts bought from different vendors. This mobile diesel generator is of around 3MW capacity. Then there are the steel frames, wheels, brakes system and traction motors to enable these power generating diesel engines to pull the weight of the rail cars in which passengers and goods travel. Very simple science.
The approximate cost of spare parts needed to make a railway engine is approximately 35 percent of the cost of a brand new assembled engine. This means any country that has an assembly plant and an efficient system of procuring these spare parts can actually build up to three brand new engines at the cost of one assembled engine. India has one such assembly plant, Pakistan also had one. Job creation, creativity, and the very kick of rolling these engines out from an assembly plant is the cream on top.
The Japanese built the same facility for us at Risalpur but our grand planners in Islamabad didnt have spare money to run this gifted facility, because they thought it was not a priority area. They perhaps assumed that the same Japanese who helped build this factory will also keep paying for its raw material till Pakistan remains.
Imran Bajwa
Has anybody heard about a country that cant spare $40 million to save a national asset worth $10,000 million and over 90,000 jobs while still buying F-16s worth $3,000 million?
That fateful country is Pakistan and the national asset is Pakistan Railways. Lets begin by analysing Indian Railways.
Indian Railways posted a net revenue growth of above 50 percent during the last four years, the same four years when Pakistan Railway employees were blocking trains to ensure their next months salary or the overhead electric cables were being stolen near Khanewal or kilometres of rail track were being stolen from defunct and non-performing routes.
Indian Railways had a turnover of $18,600 million last year. Pakistan Railways could only do $235 million, just over 1 percent of their neighbour. Indian Railways earned $3,750 million profit while Pakistanis couldnt do even one tenth of that in total revenue and suffered tens of millions of dollars in losses. Here also we need to match India.
Three generals under president Pervez Musharraf were handed over the task of turning round Pakistan Railways but even they couldnt. Engines burnt in Sindh in the aftermath of Benazir Bhuttos assassination are still parked in railway yards awaiting repair. In total over 100 locomotives are currently parked in the railway yards in Karachi, Rawalpindi and Lahore, awaiting basic repairs. They require $40 million worth of spare parts.
Our cabinet, instead, sanctioned the purchase of 150 new engines not so long ago at an estimated budget of over $300 million.
The purchase of new engines has been a hot topic in Islamabad since the last three years with both the Americans and Chinese willing to provide over $400 million in credits for 250 new engines. The American and Chinese lobbies in Islamabad are fighting to the hilt to ensure this new business for their respective rail industries. Bidding for this new business has already been shelved a couple of times to strike some balance between these titans.
Pakistan, meanwhile, has virtually shut down its own assembly line for the very same engines gifted by the Japanese in 1994. This national asset is called Risalpur Locomotive Engine Factory. Commissioned at a cost of about $100 million in 1994 by the Japanese to help Pakistan stabilise its dying railways, the Risalpur Factory could only assemble 97 engines during the last 16 years. This factory was designed for 48 engines every year in a single shift. With only 12 percent results, the Japanese who financed this project and helped train our engineers were so disappointed with the direction of Pakistan that they themselves advised the Pakistani government to sell this factory to the private sector, in 2004. But the Railways Ministry kept this wonderful factory since the last 16 years just to ensure that the machinery in this factory rusts irreversibly, while they keep buying new engines.
India, on the other hand, made over 4,000 locomotive engines and more than 42,000 bogies/coaches during the same 16 years. In fact, the Indians are currently making one locomotive engine and 11 coaches every day. Lets try and understand this whole rail business first. Different spare parts used in a railway engine are made by over 150 companies around the world. Then there are companies that buy these spare parts from different vendors and assemble these parts into a full engine. About 30 commercial assembly plants of these engines exist around the world today.
The heart of a railway engine is the diesel generator. These are all made in the US by General Motors, General Electric and ALCO (three of the largest American firms). Even the Americans assemble these generators from spare parts bought from different vendors. This mobile diesel generator is of around 3MW capacity. Then there are the steel frames, wheels, brakes system and traction motors to enable these power generating diesel engines to pull the weight of the rail cars in which passengers and goods travel. Very simple science.
The approximate cost of spare parts needed to make a railway engine is approximately 35 percent of the cost of a brand new assembled engine. This means any country that has an assembly plant and an efficient system of procuring these spare parts can actually build up to three brand new engines at the cost of one assembled engine. India has one such assembly plant, Pakistan also had one. Job creation, creativity, and the very kick of rolling these engines out from an assembly plant is the cream on top.
The Japanese built the same facility for us at Risalpur but our grand planners in Islamabad didnt have spare money to run this gifted facility, because they thought it was not a priority area. They perhaps assumed that the same Japanese who helped build this factory will also keep paying for its raw material till Pakistan remains.
Trisonics
BANNED
- Joined
- Mar 6, 2009
- Messages
- 1,997
- Reaction score
- -13
Only Army is important and they ignore everything else, its not a troll but fact.
Similar threads
