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She Rose From Poverty as China Prospered. Then It Made Her Poor Again

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People can hedge against rising interest rates like in US or natural disasters via insurancez

How do u hedge against mao 2.0 other than not participating?

U can see chinese people hedging by not spending and not having kids
 
People can hedge against rising interest rates like in US or natural disasters via insurancez
Not discussed much, but insurance in China is strictly ruling elites domain.

Average Chinese cannot access insurance.
 
u think business owners forgot?

or was it their fault for not foreseeing terrorism

u sound like a dirty commie

During Covid-19, all businesses are affected.

Mine too.

I actually ran for losses for more than 2 years, sales were very low, just a small fraction of what it used to be normally.

Like it or not, I need to lay out some of my workers during the early months of Covid-19.

Now, everything is starting to get better, but I do see some changes.

I feel like Covid-19 is affecting consumers behavior and habits, it's not going back to the situation before Covid-19.

It's no longer the same world, or it's me who is getting old, no longer able to catch up with the trend?


Indonesia is unlike China.

Our Covid-19 feels like it was full pandemic for the entire two years without any change for breathing.

China was different, because basically their country had zero-Covid, business was running as usual for the entire 2 years.

If there's a problem, it was just last for several weeks, and that was not affecting the entire China, just one or two places.

It was only at near the end of Covid-19 pandemic, it was Omicron variant that China was losing control.

So easy to spread and it spread fast, China was only doing lockdown for several weeks, just some parts of the country, and then gave up.
 
Nope, governments should be of and by the people.
Thats what has made countries.

It's the structure.

Just like in everyday life, everywhere, policeman and civilian.

Policeman has more authority than civilian.

If civilian disobey, the policeman can arrest them.

If a judge makes his decision, agree or not, civilians must obey.

But of course, the government is working for the people, it's just that they have higher authority than common people.

Just like parents work for their children, but parents have higher authority than their children.
 

Behind a reflective window, Sun Junli sits on a blue couch inside a restaurant decorated with green foliage.

Sun Junli, who founded and built Manny Coffee into a business with 20 cafes, at one of the branches under new owners in Xianyang, China.

Two years ago, as she walked through a hospital hallway in handcuffs and shackles to get tested for Covid, Sun Junli felt ashamed and defeated. At 45, she had come a long way. The poor village girl in northwestern China had become a successful businesswoman.

Then she was crushed.

In 2018, state-owned banks abruptly stopped lending to her business, a chain of cafe restaurants, and the pandemic destroyed her cash flow. By May 2021, Ms. Sun had lost her restaurants, and she was serving 16 days in detention for owing her employees about $28,000 in wages.

Weeks after her release, a court would seize her two-bedroom apartment in Xianyang in Shaanxi Province and her Toyota Camry because she was insolvent, and put her on a national blacklist. She can no longer book a hotel room or a plane ticket, or take out a loan.

“I’m surrounded by people like me,” she said, counting dozens of friends in dire straits, entrepreneurs in fields like fashion, energy and furniture manufacturing. “We all came from nothing and worked hard to create wealth,” Ms. Sun said. “We all lost everything and are deeply in debt.”

“Are we all bad at what we do?” she asked. “Are we all wrong?”

A few years ago, Ms. Sun was the epitome of how small-business owners, through hard work, killer instinct and luck, became the backbone of the economy.

Now she illustrates something very different: how China, under the leadership of Xi Jinping, killed the animal spirits of the entrepreneur class as it asserted more state control of the economy. Mr. Xi’s government has withdrawn help when business owners needed it the most, punished them for their risk-taking and failures, and made it nearly impossible for them to start over.

A pedestrian carries a red umbrella on a wet walkway outside the entrance to a restaurant.

The Manny Coffee in Xianyang. “We all came from nothing and worked hard to create wealth,” Ms. Sun said, describing herself and dozens of friends

The Chinese authorities like to call small businesses the capillaries of the economy. But years of capricious government policies, crackdowns and blacklisting have left firms battered or destroyed.

In 2021, when China was heralding its success in fighting the pandemic, the number of small firms that shut their doors outnumbered those that opened, Zeng Xiangquan, a professor at Renmin University in Beijing, told an official newspaper.

Business confidence is still hurting, one reason that China is in an economic quagmire. Small businesses make up about 95 percent of China’s private sector, which contributes about 50 percent of national tax revenue, 60 percent of economic output and 80 percent of new jobs.

Ms. Sun’s career began in the 1990s. After dropping out of high school at 17 to support her family, she worked as a farmer, a textile worker, a street food vendor and a taxi driver. Then in Hancheng, a city of about 400,000 people near her village, she opened three sportswear stores that sold Nike, Adidas and the Chinese brand Anta. It was 2008, the year China held its first Olympic Games, a coming-out party for an emerging power. She would make what she called her “first bucket of gold.”


In 2013, when e-commerce began to affect retail businesses, Ms. Sun opened Manny Coffee, a 4,000-square-foot cafe in Hancheng. It sold coffee, steak, pizza and other Western-style food and drinks, a novelty in the city. By 2018, she had expanded to 20 branches in six smaller cities in Shaanxi Province.

When she had started out years earlier, Chinese banks were reluctant to lend to the private sector. Around 2015, given competition from online financial institutions such as Ant Group, regulators instructed banks to lend more to small businesses

Banks chased after Ms. Sun, who borrowed $1.3 million to expand and build a central production kitchen for her restaurants. But the credit dried up suddenly in 2018. The regulators, worried about debt, issued new guidelines telling banks to “pay attention to the quality of loans to small businesses.”

The abrupt change bruised many companies. The fallout got so bad that regulators started to investigate the “irrational practices” of banks.

But it was too late for Ms. Sun. In October 2019, she borrowed money from family and friends to pay back her last bank loan, about $300,000. Her restaurants were doing well — revenue reached $8 million in 2018. She was confident that the Chinese New Year in January 2020 would bring in healthy cash flows.

On the eve of the holiday, all her branches were shut as the coronavirus began to spread fast. The shutdown was lifted after three months, but her business never recovered. To pay rent and wages, Ms. Sun borrowed more from people close to her and maxed out her credit cards. Every month, she believed that the next month would be better. The government offered no help.

By November 2020, she was $1.5 million in debt and couldn’t keep going. She shut the six restaurants she owned outright and gave up a 70 percent ownership she had in the 14 others, and in exchange her minority shareholders agreed to pay rent and wages.

China doesn’t really allow for bankruptcy, which in other countries can allow business owners to work out the money they owe.

Ms. Sun owed six weeks of wages to her 31 employees. The employees reported her to the local labor inspection agency, which handed her to the police.

During her 16 days in the detention center, her hair went gray. She spent most time meditating. The police didn’t release her until their investigation confirmed that she hadn’t hidden any assets. A year later, the court would find “no criminal facts” against her, according to a court document. But she had lost her business and her reputation.

Ms. Sun tried to make a living by helping to manage the 12 Manny Coffee branches that were still in operation. But she had little work and income in 2022 because of China’s draconian “zero Covid” measures. The apartment complex where she rents was locked down eight times. Her brother, who delivered meals, sometimes gave her money and brought her food.

Her father, who had lung cancer and had become infected with Covid, died on Dec. 25, 2022. It was her birthday. She turned 47.

Like many Chinese, Ms. Sun thought business would bounce back in 2023 after Covid restrictions were dropped. But it didn’t.

To make a living, she is trying to start a new food business. In the economic downturn, she figures, her former customers might not want to pay $15 for steak, but they might buy a bowl of spicy vegetables for $4.

She said she didn’t expect any financial support from the government. But she’d like to get off the blacklist she was added to in 2021.

The so-called dishonest persons list was started in July 2013, a few months after Mr. Xi took power. It had eight million people on it in March. Many business owners got swept onto the list, including the founders of at least 22 of the top 500 private enterprises in China, according to Chinese media reports.

“I’m not asking them to give me money,” Ms. Sun said. “But I’d really like them to get my name off the blacklist so I can become a normal person and start a business again.”

“I can’t fly if I want to go to Shanghai,” she said. “I can’t take the high-speed train. I can’t travel. In a way, it’s no different from locking me down at home.”

Restaurant customers sit on blue couches at small tables next to a wall of windows.

The Manny Coffee is one of 12 remaining branches. Ms. Sun now wants to start a new food business

Portrait of Li Yuan

Li Yuan​

Poor girl
Her business is a dead end at the beginning.
China is a tea nation. Chinese haven’t coffee cultures like the people in Vietnam, Indonesia and Austria.
 
Poor girl
Her business is a dead end at the beginning.
China is a tea nation. Chinese haven’t coffee cultures like the people in Vietnam, Indonesia and Austria.

China wasn't but US based Starbucks swooped in and grabbed the market void in 1999.

There's now 6,500 Starbucks coffee centers in China generating $3Billion in sales.



How Starbucks Was Able To Win Over China​

 
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Alterative headline: Americunts discover businesses can fail in capitalist market.
 
Alterative headline: Americunts discover businesses can fail in capitalist market.

A lot of them are failing.

Success, temporary success, and failing are very common things in the capitalist market.

Do I sympathize with her?

Do people sympathize with me?

If yes, give me a lot of money then.

I just want to say everyone who lives in the capitalist world is struggling.

All of us, all members here.

Because of that, no one is willing to give free money to me, because they are struggling too.
 
Policeman has more authority than civilian.
This statement seems like a product of authoritarianism.

Police is to serve and protect, not any more.

But I get your Chinese or subcontinental thought process, that's how life works there, lack of freedom is apparent all too often.
 

Behind a reflective window, Sun Junli sits on a blue couch inside a restaurant decorated with green foliage.

Sun Junli, who founded and built Manny Coffee into a business with 20 cafes, at one of the branches under new owners in Xianyang, China.

Two years ago, as she walked through a hospital hallway in handcuffs and shackles to get tested for Covid, Sun Junli felt ashamed and defeated. At 45, she had come a long way. The poor village girl in northwestern China had become a successful businesswoman.

Then she was crushed.

In 2018, state-owned banks abruptly stopped lending to her business, a chain of cafe restaurants, and the pandemic destroyed her cash flow. By May 2021, Ms. Sun had lost her restaurants, and she was serving 16 days in detention for owing her employees about $28,000 in wages.

Weeks after her release, a court would seize her two-bedroom apartment in Xianyang in Shaanxi Province and her Toyota Camry because she was insolvent, and put her on a national blacklist. She can no longer book a hotel room or a plane ticket, or take out a loan.

“I’m surrounded by people like me,” she said, counting dozens of friends in dire straits, entrepreneurs in fields like fashion, energy and furniture manufacturing. “We all came from nothing and worked hard to create wealth,” Ms. Sun said. “We all lost everything and are deeply in debt.”

“Are we all bad at what we do?” she asked. “Are we all wrong?”

A few years ago, Ms. Sun was the epitome of how small-business owners, through hard work, killer instinct and luck, became the backbone of the economy.

Now she illustrates something very different: how China, under the leadership of Xi Jinping, killed the animal spirits of the entrepreneur class as it asserted more state control of the economy. Mr. Xi’s government has withdrawn help when business owners needed it the most, punished them for their risk-taking and failures, and made it nearly impossible for them to start over.

A pedestrian carries a red umbrella on a wet walkway outside the entrance to a restaurant.

The Manny Coffee in Xianyang. “We all came from nothing and worked hard to create wealth,” Ms. Sun said, describing herself and dozens of friends

The Chinese authorities like to call small businesses the capillaries of the economy. But years of capricious government policies, crackdowns and blacklisting have left firms battered or destroyed.

In 2021, when China was heralding its success in fighting the pandemic, the number of small firms that shut their doors outnumbered those that opened, Zeng Xiangquan, a professor at Renmin University in Beijing, told an official newspaper.

Business confidence is still hurting, one reason that China is in an economic quagmire. Small businesses make up about 95 percent of China’s private sector, which contributes about 50 percent of national tax revenue, 60 percent of economic output and 80 percent of new jobs.

Ms. Sun’s career began in the 1990s. After dropping out of high school at 17 to support her family, she worked as a farmer, a textile worker, a street food vendor and a taxi driver. Then in Hancheng, a city of about 400,000 people near her village, she opened three sportswear stores that sold Nike, Adidas and the Chinese brand Anta. It was 2008, the year China held its first Olympic Games, a coming-out party for an emerging power. She would make what she called her “first bucket of gold.”


In 2013, when e-commerce began to affect retail businesses, Ms. Sun opened Manny Coffee, a 4,000-square-foot cafe in Hancheng. It sold coffee, steak, pizza and other Western-style food and drinks, a novelty in the city. By 2018, she had expanded to 20 branches in six smaller cities in Shaanxi Province.

When she had started out years earlier, Chinese banks were reluctant to lend to the private sector. Around 2015, given competition from online financial institutions such as Ant Group, regulators instructed banks to lend more to small businesses

Banks chased after Ms. Sun, who borrowed $1.3 million to expand and build a central production kitchen for her restaurants. But the credit dried up suddenly in 2018. The regulators, worried about debt, issued new guidelines telling banks to “pay attention to the quality of loans to small businesses.”

The abrupt change bruised many companies. The fallout got so bad that regulators started to investigate the “irrational practices” of banks.

But it was too late for Ms. Sun. In October 2019, she borrowed money from family and friends to pay back her last bank loan, about $300,000. Her restaurants were doing well — revenue reached $8 million in 2018. She was confident that the Chinese New Year in January 2020 would bring in healthy cash flows.

On the eve of the holiday, all her branches were shut as the coronavirus began to spread fast. The shutdown was lifted after three months, but her business never recovered. To pay rent and wages, Ms. Sun borrowed more from people close to her and maxed out her credit cards. Every month, she believed that the next month would be better. The government offered no help.

By November 2020, she was $1.5 million in debt and couldn’t keep going. She shut the six restaurants she owned outright and gave up a 70 percent ownership she had in the 14 others, and in exchange her minority shareholders agreed to pay rent and wages.

China doesn’t really allow for bankruptcy, which in other countries can allow business owners to work out the money they owe.

Ms. Sun owed six weeks of wages to her 31 employees. The employees reported her to the local labor inspection agency, which handed her to the police.

During her 16 days in the detention center, her hair went gray. She spent most time meditating. The police didn’t release her until their investigation confirmed that she hadn’t hidden any assets. A year later, the court would find “no criminal facts” against her, according to a court document. But she had lost her business and her reputation.

Ms. Sun tried to make a living by helping to manage the 12 Manny Coffee branches that were still in operation. But she had little work and income in 2022 because of China’s draconian “zero Covid” measures. The apartment complex where she rents was locked down eight times. Her brother, who delivered meals, sometimes gave her money and brought her food.

Her father, who had lung cancer and had become infected with Covid, died on Dec. 25, 2022. It was her birthday. She turned 47.

Like many Chinese, Ms. Sun thought business would bounce back in 2023 after Covid restrictions were dropped. But it didn’t.

To make a living, she is trying to start a new food business. In the economic downturn, she figures, her former customers might not want to pay $15 for steak, but they might buy a bowl of spicy vegetables for $4.

She said she didn’t expect any financial support from the government. But she’d like to get off the blacklist she was added to in 2021.

The so-called dishonest persons list was started in July 2013, a few months after Mr. Xi took power. It had eight million people on it in March. Many business owners got swept onto the list, including the founders of at least 22 of the top 500 private enterprises in China, according to Chinese media reports.

“I’m not asking them to give me money,” Ms. Sun said. “But I’d really like them to get my name off the blacklist so I can become a normal person and start a business again.”

“I can’t fly if I want to go to Shanghai,” she said. “I can’t take the high-speed train. I can’t travel. In a way, it’s no different from locking me down at home.”

Restaurant customers sit on blue couches at small tables next to a wall of windows.

The Manny Coffee is one of 12 remaining branches. Ms. Sun now wants to start a new food business

Portrait of Li Yuan

Li Yuan​

I thought everyone is millionaire in china ?
 
China wasn't but US based Starbucks swooped in and grabbed the market void in 1999.

There's now 6,500 Starbucks coffee centers in China generating $3Billion in sales.



How Starbucks Was Able To Win Over China​

Congrats, good business for Starbucks in China
For me, Viet iced cafe is the best.
Starbucks has no chance at all in Vietnam.

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This statement seems like a product of authoritarianism.

Police is to serve and protect, not any more.

But I get your Chinese or subcontinental thought process, that's how life works there, lack of freedom is apparent all too often.

It's authoritarian.

But in a good way.

It's the Chinese culture, their mindset is like that, or perhaps East Asian in general (Confucianism culture to be precisely)

They tried democracy before during the Republic of China, and now in the last decades again in Taiwan.

Does authoritarian bad for them?

Not at all.

Their culture has found a consensus between authority and subject (people), then make it work in harmony to reach their goal as fast as possible.


You can have any kind of system or ideology, all of them can work, no one is better than the others, no one is good or bad... As long as you can make it work and get the best result as possible.

In general people say democracy is the best, the most perfect, but if you can't make it work, there's no consensus, fail to reach harmony... What you get is corruption, political instability, economic failure, social unrest, etc... fail to adopt democracy to the culture.

The same with authoritarian. It can be a disaster or a huge success... For China, and most of East Asian countries, authoritarian is the best for them, no doubt. Their culture, their mindset, their habits, etc. Their leaders know what they must do, know their place and duty in society, and the people know what they must do as well, know that they should give trust to their leader to do the job (to bring the best to society). Everything is in harmony, in sync.

Something like that.
 
Does authoritarian bad for them?
I dunno, out of east Asians the only two authoritarian countries are NK and China na, and both are at bottom of the prosperity list.

It is easily noticed that the primary difference is government structure there, democratic vs communist, authoritarianism vs free society after choice after being conquered by Japanese in WW2.

Chinese also seem to display generational trauma made apparent by their irrational hate of the " white man" and his beliefs. This also dates back to being enslaved by the Brits and being addicted to their opium.

Talking about opium, that region Afghanistan always seems to pop up in a lot of geostrategic history in faraway places like China.😂
 
I dunno, out of east Asians the only two authoritarian countries are NK and China na, and both are at bottom of the prosperity list.

It is easily noticed that the primary difference is government structure there, democratic vs communist, authoritarianism vs free society after choice after being conquered by Japanese in WW2.

Chinese also seem to display generational trauma made apparent by their irrational hate of the " white man" and his beliefs. This also dates back to being enslaved by the Brits and being addicted to their opium.

Talking about opium, that region Afghanistan always seems to pop up in a lot of geostrategic history in faraway places like China.😂

Not really.

China is definitely authoritarian.

Japan can be categorized as authoritarian as it's ruled by one party since WW2.

Singapore is the same as Japan.

Taiwan during the golden period was also ruled by one party.

South Korea was the same as Taiwan.


East Asian in general is social economy 'racist'.

They put huge respect to anyone who is rich and highly civilized, more than them, but look down (plus mock) on anyone who is poorer and inferior to them.

It can be quite extreme.

So, since Whites people in general are wealthier and technological advanced than East Asian, they look highly on Whites people... but I think in the near future it will be different.

They also do it between them, praising anyone who is above them and looking down on anyone who is below them.

But this is what makes them great, the sense of discrimination in their own society leads to fierce competition to stay ahead to avoid becoming among the bottom.
 
The reason Chinese system has failed, the central power off CCP can never let businesses flourish and become stronger than the politburo.

Hence china failed.
It’s probably more simple than that. Inefficient companies can’t compete. Many companies try to make a quick buck, high returns with minimal risk. These companies look to pull their money if it looks like the expected profits won’t be what they expected. The largest fear in China are these billionaires pulling their money completely out of the Chinese market and moving it abroad. So, there are currency controls to prevent these large companies from going “solo”.

For any elite, the companies that rise in the environment they provide, should service the vision of the elite. If Elon steps out of line, he will get sued ten days to Sunday.
 

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