Seraikistan - A New Seraiki province out of Punjab?

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  1. Fulcrum15
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    According to Geo news, the ruling PPP govt. has already made up the plan for a new siraiki province in south punjab. The plan could be announced as early as 14 August.

    According to sources wihtin the presidency, Asif Ali Zardari has approved of then plan.

    Your thoughts??,,,or total BS??
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    ok the door multan is now open for more waderas jageerdars syeds they have net to go lahore islamabad for looting there shear will come here now .
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    NO PROVINCES ON ETHNIC GROUNDS!!! provinces only on adminstrative grounds!! but having said that its good punjab is splitting atleast the other provinces won't complain that punjab takes all or punjab is too big or punjab takes their rights. punjab will actually become a smaller province then balochistan & sindh now.
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    Can somebody tell me if there are any procedures mentioned in the constitution that must be gone through if the new provinces are needed to be created, or the ruling party can formate new provinces without any consent of the opposition parties?
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    To my knowledge it needs approval from Parliament or Senat. If provinces are not limited by constitution and then simple vote majority will do the work. But if it is limited by constitution than 2/3rd majority may be required.
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    only purpose of this move is to disturb the vote bank of pml(n) in southern punjab. It is only a political move which is an attempt to counter pml(n) in southern punjab by PPP. I think all the provinces must be created in all over pakistan where ever requires on administative grounds . please dont fragment us further on the basis of language . The provinces must be made on allover pakistan basis . like karachi is a big metropolitan with the population of 2 crore . It can be a seperate province . Hazara can be aseperate province . pukhtoons in balochistan can have their province . Sindh can be divided into three comfortable zones . Their must be a master plan for the whole country rather than only punjab.
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    firstly i don't trust ANP,PPP,MQM in parliment or senate!!! hence a bad bad bad move!!!

    secondly what will serakyi province have?? as in what does it have to offer when it gets autonomous? it is better of sticking to punjab i guess
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    This article was published in daily Dawn regarding the formation, procedure and repercussions of new provinces.


    Carving out new provinces to prove difficult
    WHILE talk of the creation of new provinces is ricocheting across the political landscape, two basic questions have largely gone unanswered: how and where? Perhaps inevitably so, because to neither question is there a straightforward answer.

    Start with the mechanism for creating a new province. Controlled by Article 239 of the Constitution, the process of creating new provinces requires a two-thirds majority in separate votes in the two houses of parliament and then a further two-thirds majority in the provincial assembly of the affected province.

    The formidable numbers game has prompted some supporters of new provinces to suggest the Constitution should be amended. “We need to simplify the process of creating a new province. Right now it’s impossible,” said Humayun Akhtar Khan, a PML ‘Like minded’ leader who supports the creation of a Bahawalpur province.

    But amending the Constitution to change Article 239 isn’t likely to pass muster with the Supreme Court, according to legal analysts.

    “It’s likely the Supreme Court would intervene given its interest in the basic structure doctrine,” said Salman Raja, a Supreme Court lawyer.

    This means advocates of new provinces are left with a staggering problem: how do they convince provincial assemblies and both houses of parliament representing a fractious polity to support with a two-thirds majority the creation of new provinces?

    BAHAWALPUR: Take the case of Punjab and the demand for a Bahawalpur province.

    The districts of Bahawalpur, Bahawalnagar and Rahimyar Khan in southern Punjab were once the State of Bahawalpur, which formally acceded to Pakistan in 1951 and enjoyed a short-lived status as a province with its own legislative assembly until the imposition of One Unit in 1955.

    To create the province of Bahawalpur at least 248 MPAs in the 372-member Punjab Assembly would have to give consent, a scenario unimaginable without the support of the PML-N. However, the N-League, which dominates central and urban Punjab but has comparatively little support in the south, is considered to be wary of the idea of carving up its power base, Punjab.

    Achieving a two-thirds majority in parliament could be even trickier for the aspirants of new provinces. An MNA from the Hazara area in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa could demand the creation of a Hazara province in return for supporting in the National Assembly the creation of a Bahawalpur province.

    And the creation of a Bahawalpur province could spur demands for provincial status in several of the other states which acceded to Pakistan, particularly Swat in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Kalat in Balochistan.

    ETHNO-LINGUISTIC CLAIMS: Behind the formidable numbers game, however, is an even more daunting challenge: the political debate on the creation of new provinces has been cast in everything but administrative terms.

    The Bahawalpur claim is a historical one. The demand for a Seraiki province is based on ethno-linguistic and cultural grounds. The argument for a Hazara province in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa or a Pakhtun province in Balochistan is based on ethnic grounds.

    “There’s an administrative basis for demanding new provinces,” according to Khaled Ahmed, a Lahore-based journalist. “The outreach of the state is restricted. The local government issue has hit a brick wall, so new provinces may be a way of getting around it.”

    Yet, the most high-profile proponent of a new province, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, has focused on ethno-linguistic claims in calling for a new Seraiki province.

    Historically, the call for a Seraiki province has not been a big vote-getter and in fact occasionally worked to alienate Punjabi-, Urdu- and Baloch-speaking residents of Punjab. But analysts suggest the PPP may be playing the Seraiki card now to try and improve its position in Punjab ahead of the next elections.

    There remains, though, the problem of demarcating the limits of a Seraiki province. The Seraiki language is spoken in a belt stretching from Mianwali to Pakpattan and down across central and southern Punjab. However, the language is also spoken in Dera Ismail Khan, Tank and Bannu districts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and in the upper Sindh districts abutting Punjab.

    A Seraiki province expansively drawn would be the largest province in the country, turning on its head the smaller-is-better argument for new provinces.


    Moreover, since no province is ethnically homogenous — there are Pakhtuns in Balochistan, Balochis in Punjab and Seraiki speakers in upper Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa — resolving claims to provincial status on the basis of ethnicity is a minefield of epic proportions.

    But because it is a political card that can be thrown into the electoral mix, parties do resort to it, as the PPP has recently.

    Unsurprisingly, given the PML-N’s overall dominance in Punjab, the prime minister’s calls for a Seraiki province have riled the PML-N. “It’s purely a political stunt by the PPP to try and recover its plummeting popularity amid high inflation, loadshedding and misgovernance,” said Khurram Dastagir, a PML-N MNA from Gujranwala.

    “We are willing to discuss the provinces issue, but not on ethno-linguistic grounds and as part of a national approach,” Mr Dastagir added.
    Privately, N-Leaguers admit they are watching south Punjab carefully to see how much traction the call for new provinces is gaining among the local population and to what extent the lukewarm reaction of the PML-N to the idea of new provinces may be denting the party’s support.

    CALLS TO INCREASE: Yet, whatever the cynical political reasons for calling for new provinces at present, analysts suggest that it will be difficult to bottle up the issue again, particularly in Punjab.

    “A female teacher from Ranjanpur who is posted in Lahore has to travel by road for 14 hours. That’s plain injustice,” according to Sohail Warraich, an expert on Punjab politics. “The resources diverted to other parts of Punjab from the south can’t go on unopposed forever.”

    Mr Warraich claimed that growing unhappiness in south Punjab was down to three factors. “One, the economic disparity has grown since the ’80s; it’s much more today than it’s ever been. Two, the rise of the PML-N, a party of the cities and central Punjab, is seen as a threat. And three, the PPP has raised it as an issue again.”

    Other analysts and PML-N insiders suggest the PML-N, long considered the main obstacle to dividing Punjab, is cautiously opening up to the possibility of new provinces. The incentives are several.

    If the call for new provinces finds support among the electorate, the N-League risks losing out to political rivals who have taken up the issue. New provinces could also give the N-League an opportunity to govern in more provinces and so gain an advantage in inter-provincial forums such as Council of Common Interests and National Financial Commission.

    Ironically, it is the objections of the existing smaller provinces that may now kill off the tendrils of support for new provinces emerging in Punjab.

    “The smaller provinces will not want to devolve. In Sindh, the MQM has figured out that there are four cities, so Karachi alone is not attractive enough. In Balochistan and KP, the troubles there make it unlikely they will be interested,” claimed Khaled Ahmed. “New provinces make sense, but that doesn’t mean it will happen.”
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    so Multan will be capital of new Provence ?
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    constitutional amendment is required... majority can do it...


    thats interesting, the problem here is, is there any time restriction when will be it presented in PA ?
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    IMO,
    smaller province is a must for the faster and equal development of the province. We, in India, had bad experience with the unequal developments in many province , but after creation of new states e.g Chattisgharh, Jharkhand , Uttranchal, the developments are faster for them and the "mother" state e.g M.P Bihar and U.P Smaller the state , better is the governance e.g Goa, Kerala, Punjab etc.

    If this happens in Pakistan too, it will benefit the commoner. Multan too will get it's share of attention,which right now is shadowed by Lahore ( for none of the fault of Lahore). Same would be true for the probable newer state also.

    Punjab has been the favorite state to break on either side of the border. Himachal and Haryana is carved out of Indian Punjab and all are happy.
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    Mr Ganja Sharif is only focusing on Lahore. I've met few people from Multan and they truly hate how the government is neglecting Southern Punjab. There have been a few developments in Multan but that is solely because Gilani is from Multan. Making a province in Southern Punjab is a good thing. Also there is a need for a Hazara Province, Abbottabad can really flourish if Hazara province is made. Sindh needs to be divided into 3 pieces, Northern, Southern and Karachi provinces. Sukkur as capital of North Sindh and Hyderabad as capital of South Sindh. Balochistan should be divided into 3 to 4 provinces and FATA should be given provincial status.
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    like i said make 200 provinces but please not on ethnic bases!!! make them on adminstrative bases! making on language based then get ready for "BUGTTI PROVINCE" "MENGAL PROVINCE" and i guess i don't need to tell you what will happen next!
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    okzzz so now its true more provinces are coming on the way

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    When karachi turn will come ???
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