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Saving the Cows, Starving the Children

Then why don't you Reject Christianity before offering this advice to others ? :lol:
I keep religion as something personal, I dont follow religious leaders nor do I talk about it public, I dont accept it in politics or in public places.... Its the exact opposite of insecure and uneducated fundamentalists like you.

But I dont expect that you comprehend that.

Its is a foreign religion with a history of dark violence and oppression and proven dark ages. A religion of slave owners and invaders and Colonists from whom you picked it up.

Sorry, did not know that the first people to settle on the subcontinent were already Hindus
 
We are suffering from the extreme effects of democracy..

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/o...-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

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In much of India, the hungry cannot eat beef, because Hindus consider cows sacred.

London — GANDHI famously denied himself food. And by starving himself to protest British rule, he ultimately made India stronger. But India’s leaders today are using food as a weapon, and they are sacrificing not themselves, but others. Their decisions threaten to make India’s children — already among the most undernourished in the world — weaker still.

Earlier this month, the chief minister of the central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh, Shivraj Singh Chouhan, struck down a proposed pilot project to introduce eggs in free government nursery schools in districts populated by economically disadvantaged indigenous groups. The proposal came from the state’s own officials, but was dismissed by Mr. Chouhan on the grounds that eggs are a nonvegetarian food. Mr. Chouhan, like many Hindus, is a vegetarian and avoids eggs because they may be fertilized and are seen as a life force. While he has refused to address this incident publicly, his press officer claimed there were “more nutritious options available.” But what, exactly?

In Madhya Pradesh, many of the poor communities survive on government-subsidized grain and foraged plants. According to the last National Family Health Survey, indigenous children were the most malnourished of any community in the state. Even across the state, 52 percent of children under 6 — the age up to which they may attend government nurseries — are underweight, says the National Institute of Nutrition. Indeed Madhya Pradesh, the economist Jean Drèze told me, “is far worse than even the Indian average.” It is in the grip of a “nutritional emergency,” he said.

Child-rights activists had supported the proposal, because eggs — a superfood that is about 10 percent fat and extremely high in protein — are the most nutritional way to improve the children’s health, more so than a cup of milk or a banana, which the state claims it will offer in place of eggs. Bananas spoil easily, and milk is often laced in India with paint, detergent or shampoo, so much so that the federal government is considering making milk adulteration punishable with life imprisonment.

Another staple food was taken from the plates of the poor in the neighboring state of Maharashtra, after it banned the possession and sale of beef. It is enforceable with a prison term of up to five years. Hindus consider cows to be sacred, but Hindu nationalists, emboldened by the election of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, have lobbied aggressively on the issue, not out of concern for the animals — which are typically bone-thin and live on garbage — but to force their religious beliefs on non-Hindus. The ban, implemented in March, was a body blow to the poor. Beef, unlike mutton and chicken, is cheap. It is an important source of protein for low-caste Dalits, and for minority communities like Muslims and Christians.

The decision by Devendra Fadnavis, chief minister of Maharashtra, is appalling given the widespread poverty in his state. It is also inhumane toward the very animals it claims to protect. The Indian Express newspaper reports that farmers don’t know what to do with dying cattle. Since they can neither sell nor butcher them, they are letting the animals loose to fend for themselves. Surely, there is nothing sacred about starving cows.

These decisions are not the first of their kind. Over the years, at least 20 Indian states out of 29 have banned cow slaughter (although Maharashtra’s laws are the harshest). And eggs are offered in meal plans in only 10 states. But these decisions are startling in the face of new reports reiterating that Indians urgently need more food — not less — and of a higher nutritious standard than what they get now.

India has twice as many malnourished children as sub-Saharan Africa, according to the World Bank, and our children are often shorter than those born in sub-Saharan Africa. According to Unicef, 51 percent of children under 5 in rural India are stunted. Compare this with neighboring China, where the stunting rate for rural children is 12 percent. And hunger isn’t just stunting our kids’ growth; it is also affecting their intelligence.

Supporters of the Bharatiya Janata Party tried to shift the blame for these poor decisions onto leaders of the Jain faith — who did indeed lobby for the changes, and were involved in drafting the beef ban legislation.

The Jains are strict vegetarians who do not consume food that involves the injury or death of a living being. They won’t eat meat or fish, and they also avoid eggs.

But even the most uncompromising Jain can’t be blamed for the fact that the B.J.P. has denied eggs to children in all but one state it runs.

Similarly, the beef ban has less to do with the demands of one group than the party line. Last month, Amit Shah, the B.J.P. president and a vegetarian, said, “Wherever there is a B.J.P. government, there is a ban on beef.” (This is not quite the case as yet, but it is clearly the direction the party is taking.)

The B.J.P. is determined to deny children eggs even though every nursery currently offering the option also offers a vegetarian alternative — such as a cup of milk or a piece of fruit. No child is forced to eat food that contradicts his or her religious beliefs. But all children will now be denied certain foods in order to adhere to the religion of others.

In India you are what you eat, and devotion to strict vegetarianism is a trait common to many upper-caste Hindus. Some wield their diet like a badge of their status. Others demand that people around them — like children and household staff members — eat as they do to maintain the purity of their kitchens. They will not visit restaurants that also serve nonvegetarian food for fear of being polluted.

Privileged politicians are imposing their will on underprivileged people, who do not share their beliefs and also do not have the luxury of rejecting cheap sources of protein. By injecting religion and caste into politics, the B.J.P. is preventing India from moving forward by reinforcing the prejudices that have kept it back.

In a speech last September, Mr. Modi said, “If the determination is strong, then I believe that youngsters and children of this country have the strength and talent to move forward.” But many of our children are not strong, precisely because politicians are depriving them of basic nutrition. India is suffering a huge loss of human capital in the process, and foolishly turning an enormous asset into a liability.

If Mr. Modi’s goal is to take India forward, he must reassess his party’s priorities and stop allowing religion to dictate policy. It’s a simple choice: The B.J.P. government can either feed our children or undermine the country’s future.

a big LOL~! we are starving children to control the population !
 
My point is why should the state decide if children should eat eggs or not - Let the parents decide.

Parents do decide and the Indian politicians have a better understanding of their constituencies likes and dislikes than New Yorkers or secular deracinated Indian in India. Most vegetarian parents would not allow their children to eat in the school if there was non-vegetarian meal being served there, including eggs.
 
Opinionated person have the privilege to forming an opinion. This including the opinion that other does not understand the simple meaning of words.

You can talk as dumb as you want, thats your right... but throwing around with words you dont understand does not make you look smart
 
Where does the state get the funds from .. our taxes !!

They spend our money & tell us how !!

Good you understand they spend our taxes. Majority in India are vegetarians. The map below should tell you what Indian's choice is. If you are a beef eater, you are in minority.

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Sorry, did not know that the first people to settle on the subcontinent were already Hindus

Hindus are pagans. Hindu is a new term given to the pagans of this land. Pagans have been the oldest people all over the world anywhere.
 
I keep religion as something personal, I dont follow religious leaders nor do I talk about it public, I dont accept it in politics or in public places.... Its the exact opposite of insecure and uneducated fundamentalists like you.

But I dont expect that you comprehend that.

LOL. You are an well established and well recognized Hindu and Hindutva Hater. So to see you claim that you keep "religion" as something "personal" is truly Hilarious :lol:

If it is something personal why are you saying that "religion" (by which you clearly meant Hinduism) was holding back the Nation ? :cheesy:

At most you could have claimed that it holds back a person, that too based on your own experience with your own religion. i.e. how Christianity held you back. :P

Your empty boasts and hollow claims are laughable, so do not bother to be condescending. You cannot afford to be patronizing :lol:

Sorry, did not know that the first people to settle on the subcontinent were already Hindus

No problem. Your Ignorance is well established. Hinduism was discovered by the people who settled on the sub continent. Now that you know this, stop pretending to be ignorant. Its will not be so cute any more.
 
Good you understand they spend our taxes. Majority in India are vegetarians. The map below should tell you what Indian's choice is. If you are a beef eater, you are in minority.

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Hindus are pagans. Hindu is a new term given to the pagans of this land. Pagans have been the oldest people all over the world anywhere.

Pagan:
1. a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.

LOL. You are an well established and well recognized Hindu and Hindutva Hater. So to see you claim that you keep "religion" as something "personal" is truly Hilarious :lol:

If it is something personal why are you saying that "religion" (by which you clearly meant Hinduism) was holding back the Nation ? :cheesy:


Your empty boasts and hollow claims are laughable, so do not bother to be condescending. You cannot afford to be patronizing :lol:

As predicted your narrow minded and not yet fully developed intellect did not comprehend what I said.

Again, you only show your puny little insecurities over your religious feelings.

I wont explain my previous post to you simply because someone failed horribly in educating you.

But obviously you can show us any comment made by me in which I propagate the Christian faith to others! Because as you say, I am an evil missionary and undercover Vatican double agent! :lol:

You truly sound like some frustrated teenage kid :lol:

Have fun genius8-)
 
Pagan:
1. a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.

You should have quoted the entire para. Here it is.

a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.
"a Muslim majority had to live in close proximity to large communities of Christians and pagans"
synonyms: heathen, infidel, idolater/idolatress, atheist, non-theist, irreligious person, agonstic, sceptic, heretic, apostate;
archaic paynim
"in prehistoric times, pagans used to worship the sun gods"
 
Pagan:
1. a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.

LOL. Poor try.

Christianity and Paganism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As predicted your narrow minded and not yet fully developed intellect did not comprehend what I said.

Again, you only show your puny little insecurities over your religious feelings.

I wont explain my previous post to you simply because someone failed horribly in educating you.

Have fun 8-)

Failure is probably a way of life for you. Especially when debating with me. :P


Are you really trying to claim that on a thread that says "saving cows, starving children" and debating eggs by a Hindutva govt., your comments on "religion" was not on "Hinduism" ? :cheesy: ............ how stupid do you think most posters are ? :P

Its rather sad that you have now been reduced to issuing "certificates" to me :lol: ........... Nothing says owned better than that.

I remain thankful that no pastor or Frier "educated" me. Looks like they did a good job on you. Your religious education is getting the better of you. Or maybe this is your best ? :azn:
 
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Pagan: An adherent of a polytheistic religion in antiquity, especially when viewed in contrast to an adherent of a monotheistic religion.

My parents were vegetarian, I chose not to be one.

Well it is a choice you made presumably once you grew up. The other children are free to do so too. The state has not banned eggs outside of schools.
 
You should have quoted the entire para. Here it is.

a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.
"a Muslim majority had to live in close proximity to large communities of Christians and pagans"
synonyms: heathen, infidel, idolater/idolatress, atheist, non-theist, irreligious person, agonstic, sceptic, heretic, apostate;
archaic paynim
"in prehistoric times, pagans used to worship the sun gods"
Thats just an example.
The word itself is problematic because of its meaning in former times . Anyways, the point is that there is no evidence that there were Hindus 30,000 years ago
 

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