Pew Survey: Pakistanis Strongly Believe in Working Hard to Succeed

[RiazHaq]

In IFPRI's global hunger report, India still ranks at 65, worse than Pakistan at 58, and much worse than China at 5.

The first India State Hunger Index (Ishi) report in 2008 found that Madhya Pradesh had the most severe level of hunger in India, comparable to Chad and Ethiopia. Four states — Punjab, Kerala, Haryana and Assam — fell in the 'serious' category. Gujarat, 13th on the Indian list is below Haiti, ranked 69. The authors said India's poor performance was primarily due to its relatively high levels of child malnutrition and under-nourishment resulting from calorie deficient diets.

In its latest issue, the harsh reality of hunger and malnutrition in India is described by the Economist magazine as follows:

"India-wide, more than 43% of Indian children under five are malnourished, a third of the world’s total. Over 35% of Indians are illiterate and over 20m children out of school. For all its successes, including six decades of elections and a constitution that introduced the notion of equal rights to an inequitable society, India’s abiding failure is its inability to provide aid and economic opportunity to millions of its impoverished citizens."

According to World Bank's HNP (Health and Nutrition) paper "India's Undernourished Children", here is some data on the scale of the problem India faces:

1. 47% of Indian children under 5 suffer from malnutrition.
2. 60 million in all, highest in the world.
3. Two million Indian children under 5 die each year.
4. At least one million of them die from low immunity attributable to malnutrition.
5. Ten million children out of the statistical range a year suffer from lack of motor and cognitive skills for the rest of their lives.
6. Most of the retardation occurs between two to three years of age.

In 2008, Indian Planning Commission member Syeda Hameed acknowledged that India is worse than Bangladesh and Pakistan when it comes to nourishment and is showing little improvement.

Haq's Musings: Right to Food in India, Pakistan and China

 

[RiazHaq]

I wonder why then Pakistan fares worse than India in both Prevalence and intensity of food deprivation by full 100 basis according the UNDP Human Development report 2010.....

Are you clutching for the straws?

Where's the citation or link to support it?

What basis is there for this claim when even the Indian officials who know better and other highly credible sources I have cited are contradicting it?

The new British government report on child hunger and malnutrition in India says the nation is an "economic powerhouse" but a "nutritional weakling". Here is an excerpt from Times online story:

India is condemning another generation to brain damage, poor education and early death by failing to meet its targets for tackling the malnutrition that affects almost half of its children, a study backed by the British Government concluded yesterday.

The country is an “economic powerhouse but a nutritional weakling”, said the report by the British-based Institute of Development Studies (IDS), which incorporated papers by more than 20 India analysts. It said that despite India’s recent economic boom, at least 46 per cent of children up to the age of 3 still suffer from malnutrition, making the country home to a third of the world’s malnourished children. The UN defines malnutrition as a state in which an individual can no longer maintain natural bodily capacities such as growth, pregnancy, lactation, learning abilities, physical work and resisting and recovering from disease.

In 2001, India committed to the UN Millennium Development Goal of halving its number of hungry by 2015. China has already met its target. India, though, will not meet its goal until 2043, based on its current rate of progress, the IDS report concluded.

“It’s the contrast between India’s fantastic economic growth and its persistent malnutrition which is so shocking,” Lawrence Haddad, director of the IDS, told The Times. He said that an average of 6,000 children died every day in India; 2,000-3,000 of them from malnutrition.

Haq's Musings: Is India a Nutritional Weakling?

 

[karan.1970]

Are you clutching for the straws?

Where's the citation or link to support it?

Go to UNDP site.. Open the 2010 HDI report.. Go to Downloads.. Go to Statistical tables....In the xl sheet that comes up, go to table 8... and CLUTCH AT YOUR STRAWS

I repeat.. Based on United Nations Human Development report, prevalence and Intensity of food deprivation are both 100 basis points higher in Pakistan...

You can quote whatever anecdotal Bul l $hit that you want and keep paddling the babbling nonsense till cows come home, but numbers speak for themselves

 

[RiazHaq]

You can quote whatever anecdotal Bul l $hit that you want and keep paddling the babbling nonsense till cows come home, but numbers speak for themselves

India ranked way below its South Asian neighbours Pakistan, Sri Lanka and China in the global hunger index 2011 released by the International Food Policy and Research Institute. South Asia fared worse than Sub-Saharan Africa netting a score of 22.6 on the global hunger index, or GHI, the report said.

While, India stood 67th amongst 81 countries, Pakistan ranked 59, China ranked fourth, Vietnam ranked 25 and Sri Lanka ranked 36 in the GHI. The report blamed high volatility in food prices for rising hunger levels worldwide.

India ranks below China, Pakistan in Global Hunger Index 2011 - Economic Times

Is the following anecdotal BS too?

India tops world hunger chart - Times Of India

NEW DELHI: India is failing its rural poor with 230 million people being undernourished — the highest for any country in the world. Malnutrition accounts for nearly 50% of child deaths in India as every third adult (aged 15-49 years) is reported to be thin (BMI less than 18.5).

According to the latest report on the state of food insecurity in rural India, more than 1.5 million children are at risk of becoming malnourished because of rising global food prices.

The report said that while general inflation declined from a 13-year high exceeding 12% in July 2008 to less than 5% by the end of January 2009, the inflation for food articles doubled from 5% to over 11% during the same period.

Foodgrain harvest during 2008-09 is estimated to be a record 228 million tonnes. However, the requirement for the national population would exceed 250 million tonnes by 2015.

India ranks 94th in the Global Hunger Index of 119 countries, the report said.

Brought out by the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP), the report points to some staggering figures. More than 27% of the world's undernourished population lives in India while 43% of children (under 5 years) in the country are underweight. The figure is among the highest in the world and is much higher than the global average of 25% and also higher than sub-Saharan Africa's figure of 28%.

More than 70% of children (under-5) suffer from anaemia and 80% of them don't get vitamin supplements. According to the report, the proportion of anaemic children has actually increased by 6% in the past six years with 11 out of 19 states having more than 80% of its children suffering from anaemia.

Percentage of women with chronic energy deficiency is stagnant at 40% over six years with the proportion in fact increasing in Assam, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh and Haryana during the same period.

The report said that the ambitious Targeted Public Distribution System (TPDS) was failing. "Apart from failing to serve the intended goal of reduction of food subsidies, the TPDS also led to greater food insecurity for large sections of the poor and the near-poor. These targeting errors arise due to imperfect information, inexact measurement of household characteristics, corruption and inefficiency," the report said.

It added, "Another problem of the TPDS was the issue of quantity of grain that a household would be entitled to. The TPDS initially restricted the allotments to BPL households to 10 kg per month. For a family of five, this amounts to 2 kg per capita. Using the ICMR recommended norm of 330 grams per day, the requirement per person per month would be 11 kg and that for a family of five would be 55 kg."

The Union Budget of 2001 increased the allotment to 20 kg per month and raised it further to 35 kg in April 2002.

The report also questioned the government's definitions of hunger and poverty. "The fact that calorie deprivation is increasing during a period when the proportion of rural population below the poverty line is claimed to be declining rapidly, highlights the increasing disconnect between official poverty estimates and calorie deprivation," it said.

"Nutrition security involving physical, economic and social access to balanced diet, clean drinking water, sanitation and primary healthcare for every child, woman and man is fundamental to providing all our citizens an opportunity for a healthy and productive life," said Prof M S Swaminathan.

 

[pk_baloch]

This statement about Punjabis alone as milk drinkers exposes your false flag.

The fact is that milk consumption is at least twice India's in all four provinces of Pakistan....and growing faster.

http://www.ama.at/Portal.Node/publi...entid=10008.80083&07_Dairyindex_July_2010.pdf

yes abdul ali has come with different ids before like imam bhukhari,riyadh ,imam muslim and all were got banned ........

and the video which has been sent about doctor shazia ...its fake video .its a big consipiracy to defame the pakistan through medias .many lobbies are working behind it.....

 

[cloud_9]

As to the BS about lactose intolerance spewed on this board, here's what the FAO report says about milk consumption in India:

Haha! I was expecting some graphs and other irrelevant stuff.

Let me break it up for you
The report says 70% South Indian are lactose intolerant.South Indians-People from Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu.Total Population - 252.77 Million *30/100 = 75 million people are fine with milk products.

How about explaining those Malnutrition figure's from the Pakistan Government's Survey (NNS 2011).Come on Mr. IdrinkMoreMilkThanYou

 

[jayron]

Pakistan is better than Japan in every field because Pakistanis drink more milk than Japanese.

 

[CZAR]

In IFPRI's global hunger report, India still ranks at 65, worse than Pakistan at 58, and much worse than China at 5.

The first India State Hunger Index (Ishi) report in 2008 found that Madhya Pradesh had the most severe level of hunger in India, comparable to Chad and Ethiopia. Four states — Punjab, Kerala, Haryana and Assam — fell in the 'serious' category. Gujarat, 13th on the Indian list is below Haiti, ranked 69. The authors said India's poor performance was primarily due to its relatively high levels of child malnutrition and under-nourishment resulting from calorie deficient diets.

In its latest issue, the harsh reality of hunger and malnutrition in India is described by the Economist magazine as follows:

"India-wide, more than 43% of Indian children under five are malnourished, a third of the world’s total. Over 35% of Indians are illiterate and over 20m children out of school. For all its successes, including six decades of elections and a constitution that introduced the notion of equal rights to an inequitable society, India’s abiding failure is its inability to provide aid and economic opportunity to millions of its impoverished citizens."

According to World Bank's HNP (Health and Nutrition) paper "India's Undernourished Children", here is some data on the scale of the problem India faces:

1. 47% of Indian children under 5 suffer from malnutrition.
2. 60 million in all, highest in the world.
3. Two million Indian children under 5 die each year.
4. At least one million of them die from low immunity attributable to malnutrition.
5. Ten million children out of the statistical range a year suffer from lack of motor and cognitive skills for the rest of their lives.
6. Most of the retardation occurs between two to three years of age.

In 2008, Indian Planning Commission member Syeda Hameed acknowledged that India is worse than Bangladesh and Pakistan when it comes to nourishment and is showing little improvement.

Haq's Musings: Right to Food in India, Pakistan and China

Compelled by jingoistic tendencies, you push your worn out brain cells to the limit for discrediting comprehensive indices such as HDI - WHY??? Because, apparently, it doesn't sit well with your emasculated psyche that your nation has failed you again.

However, in situations (which are few and far between), when studies or findings support pakistan - you are careless and nonchalant enough to place unquestionable faith in the headline numbers, without showing the same urgency for digging a bit deeper. Case in point being the IFPRI report - which i'm sure the PDF members will testify - has been your pet argument in every thread, when bankruptcy of credible arguments strikes you.

Click on the following link - GHI Data | International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI)

It has two attachments. The first being the raw data that IFPRI has considered to arrive at the index.

The data has been broadly categorized into 3 parts - "proportion of undernourished in the population", "prevalence of underweight in children under five years" and "under five mortality rate".

1. Proportion of undernourished in the population - Data from the table clearly shows that pakistan has consistently failed to provide adequate nourishment to its population with india performing better in terms of undernourishment levels at every stage of the data collected. As per the latest data - undernourishment in india is pegged at 21% as opposed to 26% in pakistan. FAO database backs similar trends of chronic undernourishment in pakistan and more importantly, India consistently performing better.

2. Prevalence of underweight in children under five years - this data point has shown a worrying trend with respect to india vis-a-vis pakistan - with pak performing better in terms of prevalence of undernourishment in children. However, the underlying trend of the data is unmistakable - that though India might lag behind, BUT it is improving at a pace much faster than what its neighbor has managed. As per the data, India has brought down undernourishment in children by 1600 basis points from 88-92 to 2004-09 vs pak bringing down undernourishment in children by 1150 basis points for the same period. Again, India via its bigger health spend (as % of GDP) is doing a better job of taking corrective action.

3. Under five mortality rate - pakistan has again failed to keep pace with its much larger neighbor. Both, in terms, extent and pace of reduction of under 5 mortality rate, India stands head and shoulders above pakistan.

Clearly, with india having surpassed pakistan on two out of three indices, and having shown a better rate of improvement in the third - for the index to allow pak a better rank - does merit a raised eyebrow. Also, it is apparent that the index places greater weight on "Prevalence of underweight in children under five year" - with no apparent explanation - WHY? Clearly, if equal weight would have been placed on three indices - you and your ilk would have to resort to some other desperate measures, other than resorting to ifpri figures, for the daily chest thumping ritual.

BUT, even if, one takes the index on face value - what is again apparent is that india has been more proactive and efficient in diagnosing and treatment of the problem of hunger. India's score has improved from 30.4 in 1990 to 23.7 in 2011 - an improvement of 670 basis points. Pakistan on the other hand, has improved its score from 25.7 to 20.7, in the same period - implying an improvement of 500 basis points.

Clearly, your whole "india, NOT pak - hungriest of them all" routine needs to be rejigged.

 

[RiazHaq]

Compelled by jingoistic tendencies, you push your worn out brain cells to the limit for discrediting comprehensive indices such as HDI - WHY??? Because, apparently, it doesn't sit well with your emasculated psyche that your nation has failed you again.
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Jingoistic?

Is the Guardian being jingoistic when it says the following?

India now has worse rates of malnutrition than sub-Saharan Africa: 43.5% of children under five are underweight and India ranks below Sudan and Zimbabwe in the Global Hunger Index. Even without last year's disastrous monsoon and the ensuing drought and crop failures, hunger was on the increase.

Hunger in India: 'The real cause is lack of political will' | Global development | guardian.co.uk

Is Bhookh.com being jingoistic when it says the following?

1.
Hunger remains the No.1 cause of death in the world. Aids, Cancer etc. follow.
2.

There are 820 million chronically hungry people in the world.
3.

1/3rd of the worldÂ’s hungry live in India.
4.

836 million Indians survive on less than Rs. 20 (less than half-a-dollar) a day.
5.

Over 20 crore Indians will sleep hungry tonight.
6.

10 million people die every year of chronic hunger and hunger-related diseases. Only eight percent are the victims of hunger caused by high-profile earthquakes, floods, droughts and wars.
7.

India has 212 million undernourished people – only marginally below the 215 million estimated for 1990–92.
8.

99% of the 1000 Adivasi households from 40 villages in the two states, who comprised the total sample, experienced chronic hunger (unable to get two square meals, or at least one square meal and one poor/partial meal, on even one day in the week prior to the survey). Almost as many (24.1 per cent) had lived in conditions of semi-starvation during the previous month.
9.

Over 7000 Indians die of hunger every day.
10.

Over 25 lakh Indians die of hunger every year.
11.

Despite substantial improvement in health since independence and a growth rate of 8 percent in recent years, under-nutrition remains a silent emergency in India, with almost 50 percent of Indian children underweight and more than 70 percent of the women and children with serious nutritional deficiencies as anemia.
12.

The 1998 – 99 Indian survey shows 57 percent of the children aged 0 – 3 years to be either severely or moderately stunted and/or underweight.
13.

During 2006 – 2007, malnutrition contributed to seven million Indian children dying, nearly two million before the age of one.
14.

30% of newborn are of low birth weight, 56% of married women are anaemic and 79% of children age 6-35 months are anaemic.
15.

The number of hungry people in India is always more than the number of people below official poverty line (while around 37% of rural households were below the poverty line in 1993-94, 80% of households suffered under nutrition).

Hunger Facts | The Hunger Site for Facts: Bhookh.com

Pakistan is better than Japan in every field because Pakistanis drink more milk than Japanese.

Japanese are rich enough to afford a balanced diet without milk---something impoverished Indians can only dream of.

Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, in an interview, remarked that malnutrition among women in the state is due to the fact that they are more beauty conscious than health conscious. According to him, girls don’t drink milk as they worry about putting on weight. Vasundhara Joshi tries to find out if there is any truth
in his claim

Fortunate are those who can choose not to drink milk. They are the ones suffering from the issue of choices and abundance. Malnutrition has nothing to do with beauty. There is a THICK line between “choices” and “affordability”. Similarly, struggling to be size zero and being malnourished are two such extremes that cannot even be compared! The logic is totally missing!
— Falguni Vasavada, associate professor,
Mudra Institute of Communication

http://www.dnaindia.com/speakup/comment_mr-cm-most-women-cant-afford-milk-in-gujarat_1735105

 

[CZAR]

Jingoistic?

Is the Guardian being jingoistic when it says the following?

India now has worse rates of malnutrition than sub-Saharan Africa: 43.5% of children under five are underweight and India ranks below Sudan and Zimbabwe in the Global Hunger Index. Even without last year's disastrous monsoon and the ensuing drought and crop failures, hunger was on the increase.

Hunger in India: 'The real cause is lack of political will' | Global development | guardian.co.uk

Is Bhookh.com being jingoistic when it says the following?

1.
Hunger remains the No.1 cause of death in the world. Aids, Cancer etc. follow.
2.

There are 820 million chronically hungry people in the world.
3.

1/3rd of the worldÂ’s hungry live in India.
4.

836 million Indians survive on less than Rs. 20 (less than half-a-dollar) a day.
5.

Over 20 crore Indians will sleep hungry tonight.
6.

10 million people die every year of chronic hunger and hunger-related diseases. Only eight percent are the victims of hunger caused by high-profile earthquakes, floods, droughts and wars.
7.

India has 212 million undernourished people – only marginally below the 215 million estimated for 1990–92.
8.

99% of the 1000 Adivasi households from 40 villages in the two states, who comprised the total sample, experienced chronic hunger (unable to get two square meals, or at least one square meal and one poor/partial meal, on even one day in the week prior to the survey). Almost as many (24.1 per cent) had lived in conditions of semi-starvation during the previous month.
9.

Over 7000 Indians die of hunger every day.
10.

Over 25 lakh Indians die of hunger every year.
11.

Despite substantial improvement in health since independence and a growth rate of 8 percent in recent years, under-nutrition remains a silent emergency in India, with almost 50 percent of Indian children underweight and more than 70 percent of the women and children with serious nutritional deficiencies as anemia.
12.

The 1998 – 99 Indian survey shows 57 percent of the children aged 0 – 3 years to be either severely or moderately stunted and/or underweight.
13.

During 2006 – 2007, malnutrition contributed to seven million Indian children dying, nearly two million before the age of one.
14.

30% of newborn are of low birth weight, 56% of married women are anaemic and 79% of children age 6-35 months are anaemic.
15.

The number of hungry people in India is always more than the number of people below official poverty line (while around 37% of rural households were below the poverty line in 1993-94, 80% of households suffered under nutrition).

Hunger Facts | The Hunger Site for Facts: Bhookh.com

There's no reason to get worked up Mr. Haq. Please try to read carefully.

Not once have i contested that prevalence of widespread hunger in india. And the absolute numbers that you have resorted to - do paint a grim picture.

But clearly, as per the IFPRI data - which you hold so close to your heart and have shown utmost faith in - the situation is equally bad, if not worse, in pakistan.

I am of the opinion, that all your misdirection and overwhelming numbers, do little to hide that the pakistan has performed far worse than india in terms of the overall undernourishment levels in the local population. Pakistan has also not been been ablle to provide sufficient nutrition and healthcare facilities to its children, with a higher under 5 mortality rate than india. And clearly, India's pace of improvement in reducing prevalence of undernourishment in children, again, is better than what pakistan has managed.

Leaders and statesman, with far more at stake, have attempted to rescue what little is left of pakistan's reputation. One expects little from your insatiable appetite for juggling a few statistics.

 

[karan.1970]

India ranked way below its South Asian neighbours Pakistan, Sri Lanka and China in the global hunger index 2011 released by the International Food Policy and Research Institute. South Asia fared worse than Sub-Saharan Africa netting a score of 22.6 on the global hunger index, or GHI, the report said.

Then how come Pakistan rates lower than India on Stunting caused by food deprivation ??? Again, do your own search on the UNDP site for this gem too

 

[RiazHaq]

Then how come Pakistan rates lower than India on Stunting caused by food deprivation ??? Again, do your own search on the UNDP site for this gem too

It only exists only in imagination. Here's the real data from 2012 Save the Children survey:

Save the Children’s survey results showed that: in India, one of the world’s biggest boom economies and where half of all children are stunted, more than a quarter of parents surveyed said their children went without food sometimes or often; in Nigeria, nearly a third of parents had pulled their children out of school so they could work to help pay for food; in Bangladesh, 87% of those surveyed said the price of food had been their most pressing concern in 2010.

The survey was carried out by Globescan, international research consultancy, in December 2011 and January 2012 in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Peru and Nigeria. These countries are the home of half of the world’s 170m million stunted children. Proportion of stunted children in countries surveyed: Pakistan 42% (10.1M) of children stunted,

Bangladesh 43% (7M), India 48% (60.5M), Nigeria 43% (10.9M), Peru 24% (712,560)[7] .

GlobeScan - A Life Free from Hunger: Tackling Child Malnutrition

Here's more from Bloomberg.com:

Early Death Assured in India Where 900M Don’t Eat Enough

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...red-in-india-where-900-million-go-hungry.html

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Hunger Facts | The Hunger Site for Facts: Bhookh.com

The Bhookh facts were already debunked in previous posts

The sources are 5-6 years old

Sources :

UN World Food Programme
UN World Health Organization: Global Database on Child Growth and Malnutrition, 2006
UN Food and Agriculture Organization: SOFI 2006 Report
National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganized Sector (India)
National Family Health Survey 2005 – 06 (NFHS-3) (India)
Centre for Environment and Food Security (India)
Rural 21 (India)

But then again chronological challenged chaps with Indo-phobic perversion, its too difficult to to comprehend

Besides, i'm still awaiting a reply for question i"ve asked 6 times

For the 7th time , what do you call a Pakistani Sr. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer who earns less than Indian code coolie ?



Run Raiz!, Run!

Read this. It's from your own academic and media:

Pakistan may soon join China in giving India serious competition in science. “Science is a lucrative profession in Pakistan. It has tripled the salaries of its scientists in the last few years.” says Prof C.N.R. Rao, Chairman of the Prime Minister’s Scientific Advisory Council.

In a presentation to the Prime Minister, Rao has asked for a separate salary mechanism for scientists. The present pay structure, he says, is such that “no young technical person worth his salt would want to work for the Government or public sector”.

He adds, “You needn’t give scientists private sector salaries, but you could make their lives better, by say, giving them a free house.”

Giving his own example, he says, “I have been getting a secretary’s salary for the last 35 years. But I have earned enough through various awards.

But I can raise a voice for those who aren’t getting their due.” Last year, Rao won the prestigious Dan David Award, from which he created a scholarship fund. So far, he has donated Rs 50 lakh for scholarship purposes.

The crisis gripping Indian science seems to be hydra-headed. “None of our institutes of higher learning are comparable with Harvard or Berkeley,” points out Rao. The IITs, he says, need to improve their performance: a faculty of 350 produces only about 50 PhD scholars a year. “That’s one PhD per 5-6 faculty members,” says the anguished Professor.

Rao fears that India’s contribution to world science would plummet to 1-1.5 per cent if we don’t act fast. At present, India’s contribution is less than three per cent. China’s is 12 per cent.

“We should not be at the bottom of the pile. When I started off in the field of scientific research at 17-and-a-half, I had thought that India would go on to become a top science country. But now, 55 years later, only a few individuals have made it to the top grade,” he laments.

Pak threat to Indian science - Hindustan Times

As long as we see headlines like this, nobody has to have any concerns of competition from science in Pakistan.

Pakistan shuns physicist linked to ‘God's particle’


If science in Pakistan becomes competitive or move ahead of India's it"ll be of great benefits.

Rather people like Kasab gunning Indians down, we might have chaps like him participating in science fair or Univeristy scintific exchange programs

 

[Agni5000]

Can anyone explains why pakistan is in the link? No milk effect?

Failed state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[INDIC]

For the 7th time , what do you call a Pakistani Sr. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer who earns less than Indian code coolie ?

Code Jamadar.