Pakistan's terrible idea to develop battlefield nukes

[EzioAltaïr]

Haven't you been spanked enough being debunked again and again on your ridiculous claims ? ... I am still waiting for proof on 7 operational FBR's , '50 tech , No plutonium enrichment in Pakistan and some faked data on warheads ( something which nobody ever knows ) based on an irrelevant link to North Korean missile database ... Retarded kid , do not make claims next time that you cant prove ...

Let me spank you once again

At that time, National Engineering and Science Commission Chairman Samar Mubarakmand was quoted as saying that the missile was is a two-stage rocket weighing 25 tons with a diameter of 1.4 meters and a length of 17.5 meters, and a range of 2,500 kilometers.

Ghaznavi / Shaheen-II - Pakistan Missile Special Weapons Delivery Systems

The Hatf-6 is a strategic missile with a range of 2,500 km. An unconfirmed report suggests the range could be as distant as 3,500 km, but this is considered unlikely. The accuracy is advanced for a Pakistani design of this range and payload. The missile is sufficient to strike strategic targets such as airports, manufacturing complexes, military bases, and civilian facilities (power plants, water purification centers, etc.) with a reasonable chance of damaging or destroying the target.

The Hatf-6 has a reported range of 2,500 km with an accuracy of 350 m CEP. It is 17.2 m in length, has a maximum diameter of 1.4 m and has a launch weight of 23,600 kg. The payload assembly separates before re-entry or after burn-out in the second stage. The RV has four small motors to improve accuracy and maneuverability upon re-entry. Its payload is a single warhead weighing 700 kg, though reports suggest that payloads up to 1,230 kg have been developed. The heavier payloads probably have a decreased range. The Hatf-6 warhead can be equipped for a nuclear yield between 15 and 35 kT. There are also provisions to deploy the missile with conventional high explosives (HE), submunitions, fuel-air explosives (FAE), or chemical agents.

MissileThreat :: Hatf 6



Really ? Are you planning to fire from Mars ? ... Enlighten me , which country is ready to base Indian missile on its territory so that Agni doesn't have to be in India at the time of launch ?

You accept S-2 can cover whole India yet contradict yourself in the very next post , do we something expect better from your lot ?

S-2 can cover entire India at the extreme edge of it's range, meaning it's warhead will be too light compared to what it would have been if India weren't so big. There's also the fact that Pakistan claims that it's missile can cover only 2000km, so these contradictory statements won't do. I heard of the upgraded version, how long is it's range again?

Anyway, you guys forget the island group called Andaman and Nicobar? And the fact that we can launch the SLBM version as well. Both can be fired from outside of the reach of your S-2. Wait for the S-3, and the SLBMs you guys are making and then we can talk about parity.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

What source do you need ?

P-800 Oniks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Variants

Oniks Base version for Russia
Yakhont export version of Oniks
Brahmos version for India, co-developed by Russia and India, based on Oniks, produced under license by BrahMos Aerospace Private Limited in India.
Bastion-P Coast mobile missile system

What were you saying that about Brahmos being Indian while in fact it is nothing but a export version of a missile in service with the Russians since '99 ? ... You merely own the company , the equipment and components of the missile are still Russian and not Indian ... I would like to hear what exactly has India added to that very missile ... ...

First dismiss Wiki as untrustworthy. Then post a wiki to source your crap? The Ak-47 bears similarities to the Stg 44. The AK-47 is still considered Russian not German right?

And can we consider your Babur to be non-Pakistani? I already told you that the Babur is mostly based off the Tomahawk. it's not American right?

I never claimed that the BrahMos is 100% Indian. All I'm saying is that you guys have no proof that the BrahMos is 100% Russian either, so shut your mouth on that topic, unless you come up with a source (being based on a Russian missile does not necessarily mean that Russian tech is used).

The fact still remains. India owns 50.5% of the shares in BrahMos Aerospace. India has been the one that has tested and upgraded every single variant of the BrahMos. It's India that has been in discussion with foreign customers over the purchase of BrahMos, not Russia. And it's India that inducted the missile first, and Russia, even though wants it, hasn't yet inducted it.

 

[DARKY]

Yeah , like the bull **** claims about FBR's , primitive '50 tech and some fake warhead data !

The basic error in your mentality of not reading articles thoroughly and distorting things to suit you ...

Shaheen-II was successfully test fired for the first time on March 9, 2004. At that time, the National Engineering and Science Commission (NESCOM) chairman Samar Mubarakmand stated that the missile was a two-stage rocket with diameter of 1.4 m, length of 17.5 m, weight of 25 tons and a range of 2,500 km.

Ghaznavi / Shaheen-II - Pakistan Missile Special Weapons Delivery Systems

From the same page If the retarded kid ever bothered to read it in its entirety ... The increase in range was well reported in International as well as Pakistani media ... Now do not post another bull **** claim that the range of a missile cant be increased !

So keep ridiculing yourself to ad infinitum and make another claim talking out of *** in your next post , we do not mind giving you a dose of reality and of what you really are !

What a waste.

The Shaheen II, or Hatf VI, missile with a range of 2,000 kilometers (1,280 miles) was launched from an undisclosed location, military spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas told AFP.

The army says the missile has a range of about 1,200 miles, the longest of several missiles in Pakistan's nuclear-capable arsenal. That is far enough to hit targets anywhere in archrival India, as well as in Iran, Afghanistan and Central Asia.

The Shaheen II, or Hatf VI, missile with a range of 2,000 kilometres (1,280 miles) was launched from an undisclosed location by the Army Strategic Force Command, a military statement said.

Sources

The Shaheen II missile has a range of 1,250 miles and it successfully hit the target, said Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, a spokesman for the Pakistan army.

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Pakistan has developed 2,000 km long range missile Shaheen-II which would be test fired within a month, President Pervez Musharraf said.

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Post credible data.. for BS information you can start a Taimur and Tipu thread.

2000 km radius circle with Karachi airport as center.

Parts of South and North East India left out.... along with Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

 

[Secur]

First dismiss Wiki as untrustworthy. Then post a wiki to source your crap? The Ak-47 bears similarities to the Stg 44. The AK-47 is still considered Russian not German right?

And can we consider your Babur to be non-Pakistani? I already told you that the Babur is mostly based off the Tomahawk. it's not American right?

I never claimed that the BrahMos is 100% Indian. All I'm saying is that you guys have no proof that the BrahMos is 100% Russian either, so shut your mouth on that topic, unless you come up with a source (being based on a Russian missile does not necessarily mean that Russian tech is used).

The fact still remains. India owns 50.5% of the shares in BrahMos Aerospace. India has been the one that has tested and upgraded every single variant of the BrahMos. It's India that has been in discussion with foreign customers over the purchase of BrahMos, not Russia. And it's India that inducted the missile first, and Russia, even though wants it, hasn't yet inducted it.

Sorry , that is sourced from the Russian database ... Similarity is something different , an export version is an entirely different story ...

Yes , only if you believe in some fantasy theory that some Tomahawks will still be in a condition to study their critical components even if they crash landed or as the rumor suggest they did , something your lot base their whole claims on

Of course you couldn't ... All the critical technologies are taken from the former P-800 ... Whats there to brag about ? ... If even the Russians are saying that it is merely a export version hence the MTCR 300 km limit , else why do not you increase the range ? ... Is the reality too bitter ?

Owning the company doesn't mean the technologies were developed in India , prove to me they were ... Russia tested P-800 well before Indians even thought of investing in the company ... Sorry , Russia already has it in the arsenal , they are just milking your country like the overpriced AC

 

[Secur]

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Kid , that was the first version of the Shaheen II , not the upgraded one ... Who here has denied that the first one didn't have a range of 2000 km ?

But soon afterwards ...

At that time, the National Engineering and Science Commission (NESCOM) chairman Samar Mubarakmand stated that the missile was a two-stage rocket with diameter of 1.4 m, length of 17.5 m, weight of 25 tons and a range of 2,500 km.

Every single Pakistani source now lists the missile at the new range ... Just because you bury your head in the sand wont change the reality on ground ... You think the chairman wont know about the range of the missile ?

 

[DARKY]

Sorry , that is sourced from the Russian database ... Similarity is something different , an export version is an entirely different story ...

No export version of Brahmos exists as of now... the Missile is entirely used by India and would be soon exported to Russia from India.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

Sorry , that is sourced from the Russian database ... Similarity is something different , an export version is an entirely different story ...

Yes , only if you believe in some fantasy theory that some Tomahawks will still be in a condition to study their critical components even if they crash landed or as the rumor suggest they did , something your lot base their whole claims on

Of course you couldn't ... All the critical technologies are taken from the former P-800 ... Whats there to brag about ? ... If even the Russians are saying that it is merely a export version hence the MTCR 300 km limit , else why do not you increase the range ? ... Is the reality too bitter ?

Owning the company doesn't mean the technologies were developed in India , prove to me they were ... Russia tested P-800 well before Indians even thought of investing in the company ... Sorry , Russia already has it in the arsenal , they are just milking your country like the overpriced AC

LOL, foolishness. The engine is the only Russian part we buy. The rest is bought from DRDO. So no, Russia isn't milking us, especially since the engines come with ToT.

The BrahMos is not an export version of P-800 Oniks. The sources you cite, clearly say, the Oniks was used as a basis for the development of the BrahMos. That does not mean that all the critical systems are from the P-800. get real man, the Oniks is an anti-ship missile, while the BrahMos is anti-ship, surface to surface and air to surface. So all these versions use the same critical systems from the anti-ship version? And it does not even state that the BrahMos is an export version. It says that the BrahMos was developed from the Oniks.

It's not my lot that says that the Babur is a copy, it's the whole world except Pakistan.

The Missiles of August--Part II - Technology Review

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Oh wait. Even the sensible part of Pakistan agrees.

Once again I'll repeat, the BrahMos is not 100% Indian, but not 100% Russian either. Since it's you guys who make bullshit claims like "BrahMos is Russian, BrahMos ALCM cannot be launched by an airplane, BrahMos is not terrain huggin, and best of all.... BrahMos is not nuclear capable". You guys make the bullshit claims, you guys have the burden to source.

 

[Secur]

S-2 can cover entire India at the extreme edge of it's range, meaning it's warhead will be too light compared to what it would have been if India weren't so big. There's also the fact that Pakistan claims that it's missile can cover only 2000km, so these contradictory statements won't do. I heard of the upgraded version, how long is it's range again?

Anyway, you guys forget the island group called Andaman and Nicobar? And the fact that we can launch the SLBM version as well. Both can be fired from outside of the reach of your S-2. Wait for the S-3, and the SLBMs you guys are making and then we can talk about parity.

How do you know that ? ... What makes you so certain ? Possibly S-2 can go ever further with reduction of warhead size and the optimal range is reported ... Even at 2000 km , it can easily strike 90 % parts of India , what else do we need ? There's also the fact that the Chairman placed the range at 2500 km soon afterwards , conveniently skipped over that part , now didn't you ?

Andaman and Nicobar Islands are considered part of India right ? ... If yes , then we can strike them with ease and a single light warhead will do for such a small chain of tiny Islands ... Why should we wait for S-3 ? If developed , It wont even be aimed at you ... Because you are already under the target of our existing arsenal ... No one wants parity , our missiles are enough for India , future threats from another country will decide the need for a new missile ... What wonder it would do , if a SLBM fires a missile at Pakistan even outside its reach , even though you do not have one properly operational at the moment and it takes time to gain experience with these advanced hardware , the retaliation will still be the same !

 

[DARKY]

Kid , that was the first version of the Shaheen II , not the upgraded one ... Who here has denied that the first one didn't have a range of 2000 km ?

But soon afterwards ...

At that time, the National Engineering and Science Commission (NESCOM) chairman Samar Mubarakmand stated that the missile was a two-stage rocket with diameter of 1.4 m, length of 17.5 m, weight of 25 tons and a range of 2,500 km.

Every single Pakistani source now lists the missile at the new range ... Just because you bury your head in the sand wont change the reality on ground ... You think the chairman wont know about the range of the missile ?

The source was of the 2008 test.. the last test of the missile.

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All the sources say it has 2000km maximum reach.

No tests followed hence the missile has 2000km reach... doesn't matter what a single person says... I have reported more than one Pakistani officals.. including the President.

Besides it cannot be tested upto 2500km as Pakistan don't have any sea based missile tracking ship... It has not been even tested at its full range 2000km due to obvious reasons.

 

[Secur]

LOL, foolishness. The engine is the only Russian part we buy. The rest is bought from DRDO. So no, Russia isn't milking us, especially since the engines come with ToT.

The BrahMos is not an export version of P-800 Oniks. The sources you cite, clearly say, the Oniks was used as a basis for the development of the BrahMos. That does not mean that all the critical systems are from the P-800. get real man, the Oniks is an anti-ship missile, while the BrahMos is anti-ship, surface to surface and air to surface. So all these versions use the same critical systems from the anti-ship version? And it does not even state that the BrahMos is an export version. It says that the BrahMos was developed from the Oniks.

It's not my lot that says that the Babur is a copy, it's the whole world except Pakistan.

Oh wait. Even the sensible part of Pakistan agrees.

Once again I'll repeat, the BrahMos is not 100% Indian, but not 100% Russian either. Since it's you guys who make bullshit claims like "BrahMos is Russian, BrahMos ALCM cannot be launched by an airplane, BrahMos is not terrain huggin, and best of all.... BrahMos is not nuclear capable". You guys make the bullshit claims, you guys have the burden to source.

Source ?

Source ? Export variant of P-800 Oniks listed at the Wiki page means what ?

Actually , it is just the thinking that Pakistan cant develop anything of your lot and fantasy theories from some that every missile is a copy of some other missile ... Why is the link being blocked here ?

I will again repeat , I didn't say that it India doesn't develop Brahmos however the technology is all Russian , just a ToT wont make the missile Indian , make it a JV and India owning the company , deduced from the data at hand ... Neither I made those claims ...

Besides it cannot be tested upto 2500km as Pakistan don't have any sea based missile tracking ship... It has not been even tested at its full range 2000km due to obvious reasons.

You said it yourself ... If it couldn't be tested at 2500 km due to the tracking problems , then I would take the Chairman word's of the same organization that developed the missile any day that the range is actually much long than what is being reported ... Why would he lie ?

2000 km radius circle with Karachi airport as center.

Parts of South and North East India left out.... along with Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

Who told you , the missiles are launched from Karachi ? ... They can be launched from much close to the border hence even 2000 km is enough for 95% of your country , suddenly the South India and North East come into range right ? Use google maps , kid ... This false sense of security isn't going to help you ...

 

[Secur]

Post credible data.. for BS information you can start a Taimur and Tipu thread.

Doesn't look nice when a fan boy talks of credible data ... We still await source on operational FBR's , ' 50 tech and that faked warhead data

 

[Mitro]

Who ever think that pakistan have a missile range just 2000 km is a stupid person ,the only think stopping Pakistan to disclose is the timing right now they are messed up they don't wont the west see their missile like Tipu or ICBM and put sanction on them.
They have the technology and the resources ,for example 2010 pakistan said they are ready to launch their satelite but later decided to use chinese lauch pad ,if they would launch from pakistan it will show that they can make ICBM too. Its Same technology for ICBM or Satelite launch syslem PSLV or Long March.
Pakistan is leading the race of missile technology thats the fact if we believe or not its not going to change any thing.
Babur is very advance cruise missile if we think that destroyed or semi destroy tomahawk is the source of the inspiration is correct only for body not for electronic compenant
Now the new submarine launch version is active when they Inaugurates Naval Strategic Force .

 

[DARKY]

You said it yourself ... If it couldn't be tested at 2500 km due to the tracking problems , then I would take the Chairman word's of the same organization that developed the missile any day that the range is actually much long than what is being reported ... Why would he lie ?

Why would the user Pakistan Army and its General aka President of Pakistan lie ?
How would the Chairman know the actual range if it cannot be tracked as far ?

Who told you , the missiles are launched from Karachi ? ... They can be launched from much close to the border hence even 2000 km is enough for 90% of your country , suddenly the South India and North East come into range right ?

Karachi is already too near the Indian border any place near the border would be subjected to detection and attack by Indian forces... the Missile infact would be launched from a lot deeper inside Pakistan as to save it from being shot down right on the TEL/Launch position/Boost phase... by Airforce/Cruise missile/bombs/rockets/artillery shelling.

 

[godservant]

Pakistan can beat india any day if it uses surprise elemenet because any conventional war pakistan stands no chance. What pakistan need is indian muslim support during war. That means pakistan need a false flag operation on mosque and many have to die like pearl harbour. Pkaistan has to use nukes first for india to surrender. ANy delay will allow USA gets involved and stop war and pak nukes will be removed. In osama case if there was no OSAMA or osama was dead , USA would have never left OSAMA wives and kids alone to pakistan military. CIA know what pakistan knows. Its all strategic dance. Attacking pakisan is no use for USA now. USA just do not want pakistan get too close with china. Russia is already controlled by russian jews.

 

[DARKY]

Who ever think that pakistan have a missile range just 2000 km is a stupid person ,the only think stopping Pakistan to disclose is the timing right now they are messed up they don't wont the west see their missile like Tipu or ICBM and put sanction on them.
They have the technology and the resources ,for example 2010 pakistan said they are ready to launch their satelite but later decided to use chinese lauch pad ,if they would launch from pakistan it will show that they can make ICBM too. Its Same technology for ICBM or Satelite launch syslem PSLV or Long March.
Pakistan is leading the race of missile technology thats the fact if we believe or not its not going to change any thing.
Babur is very advance cruise missile if we think that destroyed or semi destroy tomahawk is the source of the inspiration is correct only for body not for electronic compenant
Now the new submarine launch version is active when they Inaugurates Naval Strategic Force .

You mean this.

Sorry the ignorant clown Bharti Fanboy did not know that... now I agree Pakistan has Tipu-Taimur-Changez Khan etc... missiles.