Pakistan will launch a two-seater version of JF-17 - Induction of JF-17B in 2017

[nomi007]

some chinese dual seater aircrafts

this will help to understand jf-17b

 

[krash]

Hi,

If you had done a bit of research rather than posting a couple of pictures---you would have had a better understanding----.

The J20 initially came out with a bubble canopy---but it changed when it actual production models came out.

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"Bubble canopies---neither the chinese nor the russians have the ability to manufacture bubble canopies---. manufacturing a bubble canopy is a feat of engineering." - MastanKhan

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...of-jf-17b-in-2017.362497/page-15#post-8619485



ps: The term you and @AZADPAKISTAN2009 are looking for is 'one-piece canopies'. 'Bubble canopies' can be two piece or more as well, e.g. the first true bubble canopy,

pps: the canopies on the latest iterations of the J-20 are both bubble and one-piece. The strut that you see is on the inside while the glass canopy is still just one piece, like the one on the F-35,

ppps: I had done my research.

 

[Deino]

Guys ... can we stay on topic !?

The title says it's on the JF-17B twin-seater ... and not on "bubble canopies" !

Deino

 

[nomi007]

is it true we are going to using french engine on jf-17b

 

[Deino]

is it true we are going to using french engine on jf-17b

NO !!! Never (at least in the close future) ...

The original leaflet meant that it could be equipped but not that it WILL be. Esp. given the political considerations I can't think that France will deliver the M88 to Pakistan or France ... cost is another factor and even more why equipping the trainers with a very different engine vthat has never been tested on this type of aircraft before esp. whena ll operational single seaters use another type of powerplant.

To admit - and maybe a few won't like me for this statement - I really can't understand this constant hype about "PAF will get Su-35 from CHina (at best for free !), ""PAF will get €-fighters", "PAF will get French engines" ... "the batch 03 JF-17 will be a stealth-fighter", "Pakistan should enlarge the JF-17 by fitting the WS-10" or "Pakistan will join development on the TFX".
Honestly, PAC/Kamra did and does a marvellous job with the JF-17 but all other options are a different league. Either technically, politically and most of all budget-wise.

As such I plea for staying rational and realistic.

Deino

 

[Army research]

NO !!! Never (at least in the close future) ...

The original leaflet meant that it could be equipped but not that it WILL be. Esp. given the political considerations I can't think that France will deliver the M88 to Pakistan or France ... cost is another factor and even more why equipping the trainers with a very different engine vthat has never been tested on this type of aircraft before esp. whena ll operational single seaters use another type of powerplant.

To admit - and maybe a few won't like me for this statement - I really can't understand this constant hype about "PAF will get Su-35 from CHina (at best for free !), ""PAF will get €-fighters", "PAF will get French engines" ... "the batch 03 JF-17 will be a stealth-fighter", "Pakistan should enlarge the JF-17 by fitting the WS-10" or "Pakistan will join development on the TFX".
Honestly, PAC/Kamra did and does a marvellous job with the JF-17 but all other options are a different league. Either technically, politically and most of all budget-wise.

As such I plea for staying rational and realistic.

Deino

Sir tfx program is true confirmed in interview with defence minister however it's not sure now as pak only received invitation from turkye but jf17 stealth that is bs if said so politely however block 3 would be improvement well it will attest out perform old block of f16 we have

 

[Deino]

Sir tfx program is true confirmed in interview with defence minister however it's not sure now as pak only received invitation from turkye but jf17 stealth that is bs if said so politely however block 3 would be improvement well it will attest out perform old block of f16 we have

Thanks for Your kind reply and I hope in return my post was not taken as an offence, even if I again beg for being less-enthusiastic but more realistic.

What You say is maybe all true, but I think in the meantime a lot of things changed:

- TFX: with the latest political cool-down between Turkey and Europe and even more Turkey's closer ties with Russia I can't think that they will get the EJ-200. And without a proper engine, the only other option could be a F400/414 ... IMO also unlikely. Anyway, we will see.

- on stealthy JF-17 we agree.

- concerning Block 3 JF-17 being better than old F-16A ... that shouldn't indeed be no problem at least avionics-wise. range and payload however is still another issue, since the F-16 is simply a league above the JF-17 in terms of weight, range and payload and that cannot be changed on a lightweight fighter.

Anyway I apologise for being off-topic. Now back to the JF-17B.

Deino

 

[Tps43]

Dual seat jf 17 will be accommodated in PAF and it will be useful for the sale of jf17 .In Paf it will be most probally equip in no1 sqn and 1 other sqn .

 

[Deino]

Dual seat jf 17 will be accommodated in PAF and it will be useful for the sale of jf17 .In Paf it will be most probally equip in no1 sqn and 1 other sqn .

Isn't it always common use to fit each squadron with a certain number of twin-seaters ??

 

[Tps43]

Isn't it always common use to fit each squadron with a certain number of twin-seaters ??

Answer is yes but what I think is that jft sqns wont mix up to that extent if we compare to f 16's.For Fcu and ocu dual cockpit jft will be paf's best bet bcz there is no point having k8 as fcu ac as we train our pilots on k8 before the passing out.

 

[Army research]

Question will twin seater have a bombing suite like for the second guy so he can use bombs eg guided munitions

 

[Darth Vader]

Sir tfx program is true confirmed in interview with defence minister however it's not sure now as pak only received invitation from turkye but jf17 stealth that is bs if said so politely however block 3 would be improvement well it will attest out perform old block of f16 we have

out Performing F16 Will Take Some time , F 16 from block a to block c/d Took decades of Work

Pakistan Going For Su 35 , or Eu 1st Option is No and No for Eu its a Maybe but i dont think Pakistan is going for that Which Makes Sense because no point in Going for a really Smaller number with a 4.5 or 4th gen Bird When you will in a decade move to 5th Gen Which Few options are available China and Turkey .

And Developing a proper stealth plane of Thunder is just like developing a new bird Yes materials can be used to enhance its performance Reducing Birds Signature area And thats where story ends

Hi,

Bubble canopies---neither the chinese nor the russians have the ability to manufacture bubble canopies---. manufacturing a bubble canopy is a feat of engineering.

With modern technology---you don't need a bubble canopy for situational awareness---you can have rear view cameras and sensors.

You Never Stop to amaze me Buddy Few Examples of bubble canopy For From Russia , Japan , British and these Examples From few Decades back
Ki 43 lla Japenese World war 2

mi 24

mig 29

list Goes on and On just Google it
and you did set a example from quoting Yahoo answers as a authentic Source

 

[Army research]

out Performing F16 Will Take Some time , F 16 from block a to block c/d Took decades of Work

Pakistan Going For Su 35 , or Eu 1st Option is No and No for Eu its a Maybe but i dont think Pakistan is going for that Which Makes Sense because no point in Going for a really Smaller number with a 4.5 or 4th gen Bird When you will in a decade move to 5th Gen Which Few options are available China and Turkey .

And Developing a proper stealth plane of Thunder is just like developing a new bird Yes materials can be used to enhance its performance Reducing Birds Signature area And thats where story ends

I said stealth thunder talk is bs as in bull $*** However in air to air combat block 3 can out perform but obviously f16 has better strike load so .

 

[khanasifm]

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[MastanKhan]

out Performing F16 Will Take Some time , F 16 from block a to block c/d Took decades of Work

Pakistan Going For Su 35 , or Eu 1st Option is No and No for Eu its a Maybe but i dont think Pakistan is going for that Which Makes Sense because no point in Going for a really Smaller number with a 4.5 or 4th gen Bird When you will in a decade move to 5th Gen Which Few options are available China and Turkey .

And Developing a proper stealth plane of Thunder is just like developing a new bird Yes materials can be used to enhance its performance Reducing Birds Signature area And thats where story ends


You Never Stop to amaze me Buddy Few Examples of bubble canopy For From Russia , Japan , British and these Examples From few Decades back
Ki 43 lla Japenese World war 2

mi 24

mig 29

list Goes on and On just Google it
and you did set a example from quoting Yahoo answers as a authentic Source

Hi,

Welcome back---supposedly---the poster was refering to the removal of spine from the aircraft and this type of canopy that is on the F16---and in one or two pictures he also gave the example of the type he was referring to.