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Pakistan-Turkey Going To Have Massive Deals In Defence Production Sector - Press Release

Nothing about ADA class corvettes
That's dependent on Turkey releasing a $400m loan - not sure if that is going to happen soon considering recent events in the country (e.g. short-term economic volatility).
 
Because of recent & on going problems in Turkey, Pakistan should now evaluate the new MI28 NM & keep their options open. I am sure the new Russian MI28 NM has a lot to offer & Pakistan should run a trial on them to.
 
That's dependent on Turkey releasing a $400m loan - not sure if that is going to happen soon considering recent events in the country (e.g. short-term economic volatility).


According to official info received by a member:

-Turkey will give 350 million Euro for 4 Milgem corvette.
-20 more MPT-76 assault rifle will be sent to Pakistan for summer trials. Winter trials (with 10 MPT-76) have passed successfully.
 
According to official info received by a member:

-Turkey will give 350 million Euro for 4 Milgem corvette.
-20 more MPT-76 assault rifle will be sent to Pakistan for summer trials. Winter trials (with 10 MPT-76) have passed successfully.
@Zarvan something that might give you indigestion :lol:
 
@Zarvan something that might give you indigestion :lol:
The picture I shared included MPT-76. The Gun on extreme right was MPT-76 now as for ADA class corvettes that is good news but I am hoping that Pakistan also becomes partner in Istanbul class Frigates and TF-2000 Class Frigates. MPT-76 is good Gun but doesn't match performance of SCAR no Gun is coming close to SCAR in performance that is the issue
 
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Jul 25, 2016 Bilal Khan -
PAKISTAN & TURKEY HAVE MAJOR DEFENCE PROGRAMS IN THE PIPELINE
According to a recent press release by Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP), Turkey and Pakistan have three “massive” defence deals in the pipeline.

Upon inking a deal to buy an unspecified number of Super Mushshak basic flight trainers from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Pakistan’s MoDP announced that Turkey will in fact acquire a relatively large number of Super Mushshak aircraft.

In addition, the MoDP also noted the contract it had awarded to Turkey’s STM for upgrading the Pakistan Navy’s three Agosta 90B submarines, which presently form the core of the Navy’s submarine fleet. STM was selected over France’s DCNS on the basis of a “technically and commercially superior” package, even though it was originally DCNS that had designed and built the Agosta 90B submarines.

The two sides will also celebrate the handing over of the Fleet Tanker to the Pakistan Navy. Designed by STM and produced at Karachi Shipyards and Engineering Works (with kits from Turkey), the Fleet Tanker displaces 15,600 tons and is capable of travelling at 20 knots.

Comment and Analysis

Turkey is a major supplier of defence hardware to Pakistan. In fact, with the exception of China, Turkey may emerge as the biggest supplier and source of advanced military technology. Besides armament sales (see background section below), the space for potential collaboration in technology development and commercial work could be a worthwhile avenue for both parties.

While Turkey’s Anadolu Agency reported that Pakistan was interested in the Turkish TFX next-generation fighter program (see: Is Pakistan interested in the Turkish TFX?), this idea is far from being a real prospect. However, there are two Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) programs immediately available to Pakistan and worth considering – the TAI Anka unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) and Hürkuş turboprop trainer.

TAI has been comfortable with the idea of engaging with the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC). For example, TAI had contracted some work for the Anka unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) to PAC, even though the Anka has not been inducted by Pakistan. Although Pakistan may be more inclined towards Chinese UAV designs (see: Crashed UAV in Pakistan was undergoing flight tests), there may be room for interesting work in the area of the Hürkuş.

Above all, the feasibility of such an avenue would depend on the PAF’s requirements, namely if it accepts the value of adopting a turboprop design such as the Hürkuş to replace the T-37 Tweet, which forms the backbone of its basic fighter trainer fleet. While this is a discussion of its own, the main rationale behind using new turboprop designs in lieu of legacy jets for training is that the performance of the turboprops is not far behind from older jets. However, by virtue of their low-powered engines, turboprops are much cheaper to fly and maintain.

Should the PAF embrace this model, it would acquire a large number of Hürkuş to replace its T-37s, and in turn, locally manufacture the aircraft under license. However, the program could grow in scope should TAI and PAC decide to co-market and co-manufacture the Hürkuş for the wider market. Irrespective of the value of the turboprop training model, there is no doubt at this stage that turboprop platforms are being adopted by major and minor air forces alike across Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Asia.

If TAI completes the development of the armed Hürkuş-C, which could be used as a counterinsurgency (COIN) close air support (CAS) platform akin to the Embraer A-29 Super Tucano, then the potential market for the Hürkuş is large. Granted, it could cut into the sales of JF-17, which also aims for the low-end fighter market, but in either scenario, PAC would be a beneficiary (as opposed to Embraer or another company). If the Hürkuş succeeds, then PAC could be involved in parts manufacturing and long-term support work.

This is a hypothetical example (albeit one TAI might be interested in seeing through in reality), but there are scarcely few prospective partners for commercial collaboration available to Pakistan. Collaboration of this nature need be restricted to the Hürkuş, it could happen in other applications instead, e.g. armoured vehicles, artillery, communications, electronic warfare and electronic countermeasures, etc.

It will be worth seeing if Turkey actively and passive imparts industry and technology development lessons onto Pakistan, which could have a strong impact on the latter, especially since it is exploring its options for growth (see:Indigenization will be critical to Pakistan’s next-generation fighter).

Background

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) was responsible for implementing the Mid-Life Update onto the Pakistan Air Force (PAF)’s F-16A/B Block-15 aircraft in the late 2000s and early 2010s. The PAF will also procure 16 Aselsan ASELPOD advanced targeting pods, which will be integrated to the JF-17 Thunder. The PAF is currently in touch with TAI over the prospect of upgrading another batch of F-16A/Bs, likely the used units acquired from Jordan.

The Pakistan Navy is also interested in acquiring four MILGEM corvettes, though this purchase will depend on Turkey releasing a $400 million U.S. loan, which may be unlikely at this time given recent events (i.e. the coup attempt and Turkey’s short-term volatility). That said, with the Agosta 90B upgrade, STM Fleet Tanker and MRTP-15/33 fast attack crafts in mind, there is little doubt that the prospect for naval and maritime cooperation is immense between the Pakistan Navy and the Turkish defence industry.

Meanwhile, upon the completion of the TAI T-129’s trials in Pakistan, it appears that the Pakistan Army is interested in pursuing the dedicated attack helicopter. At this year’s Farnborough Air Show in the U.K., a Pakistan Army delegation met with TAI officials to discuss how the T-129 could be tailored for the Army’s needs. In the coming months, a Pakistani delegation will also observe the qualification tests of the Roketsan Mizrak-U anti-tank guided missile from the T-129.

source; http://quwa.org/2016/07/25/pakistan-turkey-major-defence-programs-pipeline/
 
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Jul 25, 2016 Bilal Khan -
PAKISTAN & TURKEY HAVE MAJOR DEFENCE PROGRAMS IN THE PIPELINE
According to a recent press release by Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP), Turkey and Pakistan have three “massive” defence deals in the pipeline.

Upon inking a deal to buy an unspecified number of Super Mushshak basic flight trainers from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Pakistan’s MoDP announced that Turkey will in fact acquire a relatively large number of Super Mushshak aircraft.

In addition, the MoDP also noted the contract it had awarded to Turkey’s STM for upgrading the Pakistan Navy’s three Agosta 90B submarines, which presently form the core of the Navy’s submarine fleet. STM was selected over France’s DCNS on the basis of a “technically and commercially superior” package, even though it was originally DCNS that had designed and built the Agosta 90B submarines.

The two sides will also celebrate the handing over of the Fleet Tanker to the Pakistan Navy. Designed by STM and produced at Karachi Shipyards and Engineering Works (with kits from Turkey), the Fleet Tanker displaces 15,600 tons and is capable of travelling at 20 knots.

Comment and Analysis

Turkey is a major supplier of defence hardware to Pakistan. In fact, with the exception of China, Turkey may emerge as the biggest supplier and source of advanced military technology. Besides armament sales (see background section below), the space for potential collaboration in technology development and commercial work could be a worthwhile avenue for both parties.

While Turkey’s Anadolu Agency reported that Pakistan was interested in the Turkish TFX next-generation fighter program (see: Is Pakistan interested in the Turkish TFX?), this idea is far from being a real prospect. However, there are two Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) programs immediately available to Pakistan and worth considering – the TAI Anka unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) and Hürkuş turboprop trainer.

TAI has been comfortable with the idea of engaging with the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC). For example, TAI had contracted some work for the Anka unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) to PAC, even though the Anka has not been inducted by Pakistan. Although Pakistan may be more inclined towards Chinese UAV designs (see: Crashed UAV in Pakistan was undergoing flight tests), there may be room for interesting work in the area of the Hürkuş.

Above all, the feasibility of such an avenue would depend on the PAF’s requirements, namely if it accepts the value of adopting a turboprop design such as the Hürkuş to replace the T-37 Tweet, which forms the backbone of its basic fighter trainer fleet. While this is a discussion of its own, the main rationale behind using new turboprop designs in lieu of legacy jets for training is that the performance of the turboprops is not far behind from older jets. However, by virtue of their low-powered engines, turboprops are much cheaper to fly and maintain.

Should the PAF embrace this model, it would acquire a large number of Hürkuş to replace its T-37s, and in turn, locally manufacture the aircraft under license. However, the program could grow in scope should TAI and PAC decide to co-market and co-manufacture the Hürkuş for the wider market. Irrespective of the value of the turboprop training model, there is no doubt at this stage that turboprop platforms are being adopted by major and minor air forces alike across Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Asia.

If TAI completes the development of the armed Hürkuş-C, which could be used as a counterinsurgency (COIN) close air support (CAS) platform akin to the Embraer A-29 Super Tucano, then the potential market for the Hürkuş is large. Granted, it could cut into the sales of JF-17, which also aims for the low-end fighter market, but in either scenario, PAC would be a beneficiary (as opposed to Embraer or another company). If the Hürkuş succeeds, then PAC could be involved in parts manufacturing and long-term support work.

This is a hypothetical example (albeit one TAI might be interested in seeing through in reality), but there are scarcely few prospective partners for commercial collaboration available to Pakistan. Collaboration of this nature need be restricted to the Hürkuş, it could happen in other applications instead, e.g. armoured vehicles, artillery, communications, electronic warfare and electronic countermeasures, etc.

It will be worth seeing if Turkey actively and passive imparts industry and technology development lessons onto Pakistan, which could have a strong impact on the latter, especially since it is exploring its options for growth (see:Indigenization will be critical to Pakistan’s next-generation fighter).

Background

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) was responsible for implementing the Mid-Life Update onto the Pakistan Air Force (PAF)’s F-16A/B Block-15 aircraft in the late 2000s and early 2010s. The PAF will also procure 16 Aselsan ASELPOD advanced targeting pods, which will be integrated to the JF-17 Thunder. The PAF is currently in touch with TAI over the prospect of upgrading another batch of F-16A/Bs, likely the used units acquired from Jordan.

The Pakistan Navy is also interested in acquiring four MILGEM corvettes, though this purchase will depend on Turkey releasing a $400 million U.S. loan, which may be unlikely at this time given recent events (i.e. the coup attempt and Turkey’s short-term volatility). That said, with the Agosta 90B upgrade, STM Fleet Tanker and MRTP-15/33 fast attack crafts in mind, there is little doubt that the prospect for naval and maritime cooperation is immense between the Pakistan Navy and the Turkish defence industry.

Meanwhile, upon the completion of the TAI T-129’s trials in Pakistan, it appears that the Pakistan Army is interested in pursuing the dedicated attack helicopter. At this year’s Farnborough Air Show in the U.K., a Pakistan Army delegation met with TAI officials to discuss how the T-129 could be tailored for the Army’s needs. In the coming months, a Pakistani delegation will also observe the qualification tests of the Roketsan Mizrak-U anti-tank guided missile from the T-129.

source; http://quwa.org/2016/07/25/pakistan-turkey-major-defence-programs-pipeline/


The countries having strong SAM batteries are the one enemy air forces can't even dare to enter into territories that is protected by them. Strong methods and tactics are being generated to eliminate related SAM batteries' effectiveness. The advanced countries are pouring money for high cost electronic warfare sensors and jammers but No tech can guarantee the %100 survival against those things If they are advanced enough so The critical core technologies of SAM system that was charged to protect own Republic, must be inside of your engineers' hands to apply state of art new technologies to counter the latest posed threats. Otherwise, We don't have much chance to protect own lands with foreign SAM missiles that was developed by foreign hands & brains whose critical components are solely belong to them. They know the deficiency of their own system so continuously upgrading them, While exporting downgraded variants to other countries. When you required new upgrades, They want hundreds of million $.

so It is a must for the states like Turkey, Pakistan to develop own SAM missile family. We SHOULD cooperate on such critical defensive systems to establish a networked missile umbrella whose keys/switches are solely belong to us. Otherwise, If you go to a war with systems that was developed by the states supporting illegal terrorist establishments inside of Turkish army firing own parliament/buildings/people, and expressing their sadness for failed coup attempt of those terrorists, discussing the put Turkey out of NATO, Then It is clear for me that The day when We sign a deal to purchase such critical systems developed by those states, is the day when we signed the agreement of our own collapse. We should benefit from them as much as we can but It is proved again that Trusting those dogs must be the last thing We should do If You are out of their religious camp but Such activities just serve to increase our ambitious more and more. They will learn that They can't control the rise of Turkish industry from outside. They can't pose an open embargo but trying to hit below belt. We will tell the consequences of banning to hold the Turkish flag in some European countries after failed coup attempt, While PKK terrorist supporters are beating Turks, raising illegal terrorist flags. When they understood that PKK in S. East can't divide Turkey into pieces and lost around 7000 militants within 1 year, They activated their plan B inside of Turkish Army to open the way for PKK. We just need time&hard working !
 
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Here is a big official family of domestic SAM system named Hisar:

-Hisar MANPADS VSHORAD: 4km altitude, 6km range (replacement for stinger)

-Hisar-A low altitude, 10 Km altitude 16 Km+ range, IIR guidance

-Hisar-O Medium altitude, 15 Km altitude 30 Km range, IIR guidance

-Hisar-O (Nokta) High altitude medium range, 20km altitude 50 Km range, IIR-RF guidance (PAC-3 equivalent)

-Hisar-U High altitude long range, 20 Km+ altitude 100-150 Km range, IIR-RF guidance (PAC-2 equivalent)


Hope all those projects get success in field.

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Here is a big official family of domestic SAM system named Hisar:

-Hisar MANPADS VSHORAD: 4km altitude, 6km range (replacement for stinger)

-Hisar-A low altitude, 10 Km altitude 16 Km+ range, IIR guidance

-Hisar-O Medium altitude, 15 Km altitude 30 Km range, IIR guidance

-Hisar-O (Nokta) High altitude medium range, 20km altitude 50 Km range, IIR-RF guidance (PAC-3 equivalent)

-Hisar-U High altitude long range, 20 Km+ altitude 100-150 Km range, IIR-RF guidance (PAC-2 equivalent)


Hope all those projects get success in field.

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any pics of Hisar MANPAD?
 
It should be selected if it performs better than all the other Guns in trials but if FN SCAR is performing better than we should go for FN SCAR. From Turkey we can get corvettes and Frigates and Anti Tank Missiles along with IFV and APC and also Air Defence Systems
 

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