Pakistan offers India to take advantage of multibillion-dollar CPEC project

[Menthol]

CPEC was an unplanned project from Pakistan's side. Heavy Chinese debt needs to be paid, which is signed by Nawaz Sharif without reading the terms and conditions. CPEC is a strategic project for Pakistan, India should be avoided otherwise ....... But seems the military is on board for adding India.

Unplanned...

I like the word unplanned.

There are many stories about easy credit (online credit service) in my country.

About how many people suffer because of it.

The main reason is because they borrow the money without a business plan or the business plan is not good enough (like gambling).

Some of them take suicide.


But if they have a great plan, but no one wants to borrow them money.

They will die as well.

 

[Skull and Bones]

BC ye to lolwa ho gaya.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

if it doesnt involve flooding the Indian market with Chinese products or lowering tariffs on them then its worth looking at

Reducing tariffs on Pakistani products in exchange for transit to Central Asia wont be such a bad deal.


There is not just Afghanistan. There is Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Krygistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan. Land route would be much cheaper than first shipping to Mumbai port then to iranian port and then to these countries. Also possibly energy and rare earths can be imported from these countries.

Sea route is cheaper than land route always, and central asia isn't really a big market.

 

[Menthol]

But what's the benefit ?

you join this kind of project after looking at your Export list and how much its costing using sea routes.

We don't export to :
China
Iran - Sea is a little expensive but not that much.

Only benefit is if we sell to Afghanistan and Pakistan.
But for both, no need to join cepec.
For Middle Eastern countries , sea route is almost same cost.
As the length increases , sea route becomes more cheaper, far easier because of less countries to cross and less issues of dispute.

Maybe I'm missing something, any1 want to add ?

If you have a great plan, and you need money.

If not, don't take it.


But anyway, if I'm the president of India, I will prioritize the road networks and ports:

CPEC and BRI are all about it.

Road networks and ports are extremely important!

 

[RealDeal]

Sea route is cheaper than land route always, and central asia isn't really a big market.

Still worth looking at..Maybe individually they may not be a big market, but its still 5 countries, combined thats still a lot. Our trade with neighbors except China is almost 0. Nepal and Bhutan have small population, so does Sri Lanka and in any case they are bankrupt. Lungis are the only ones with which there is substantial trade. It is essential to capture neighboring markets when possible…

 

[hari sud]

India has a better 8 lane road running from Jammu to Jamnagar. It is running parallel to CPEC about 400 miles apart. It will be completed by the end of 2024. This road will be capable of fighter jets and transport planes landing. It is a masterpiece built without any help.

 

[Kaniska]

Forget CPEC, any project or collaboration with China from any developing country will bring a huge deficit. The classic example is India itself. Literally, everything in this world is manufactured in China. So if anyone would like to collaborate with them, what are we or Pakistan going to export which will benefit the host country?
For a moment, let us accept that India, Pakistan, and all the South Asian block is part of the CPEC. So what are we going to bring value add to our country apart from building roads and bridges in the loan which needs to be repaid to China? And what exactly we will export when the trade deficit between us in more than 100B in favor of China?

For a moment, please keep our regular India-Pakistan silly topic out of this thread.

Still worth looking at..Maybe individually they may not be a big market, but its still 5 countries, combined thats still a lot. Our trade with neighbors except China is almost 0. Nepal and Bhutan have small population, so does Sri Lanka and in any case they are bankrupt. Lungis are the only ones with which there is substantial trade. It is essential to capture neighboring markets when possible…

Except for BD, there is literally no market for us. BD is a country that is on the rise and getting favorable traction from both the West as well as China. So i can see them growing well economically in the coming decades.

Pakistan will be gets hooked up with internal instability due to its own policy as well as Afganistan which is another war-torn country.

 

[Kharral]

This is our PM - what a Hotdog.

Ye بھڑوا aur ees ka bara بھڑوا bhai India ke gand may ghussay rahengay.

Aur @FOOLS_NIGHTMARE @muhammadhafeezmalik jaisay View attachment 937370 een dono ko defend kartay rahengay.

Ab sawal koi karey een dono say..., rooz tou 10-10 Topics khool kay baithay ho IK/PTI-related.

Ye Topic kaisay miss hogaya?!! Pata hai na kay yahan tumharey baap baithay hain - band bajanay kay leya.

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یہ بھڑوے تو صرف دیھاڑی دار مزدور ھیں۔ اس کوٹھے کے اصل دلال تو کمپنی بہادر کے سپاھی ھیں۔

 

[FuturePAF]

CPEC has to be beneficial above and beyond current menthols for India to desire to join. If a rail line is built from Karachi to Gwadar and up to the reko-diq, it will then be able to connect to the Iranian rail network. That is a service that allows good to go to Europe from the India via the Pakistani railway network.

Secondly, a rail route between Pakistan and Uzbekistan opens up Russia to India via Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Both routes would be faster than shipping by sea and cheaper than flying the goods to Russia and Europe.

Before we invite India, we need to make our proposals financially viable. Then we can focus on other links, such as electricity via connecting grids, oil and gas pipelines, joint ventures in supply chains.

 

[MilSpec]

CPEC has to be beneficial above and beyond current menthols for India to desire to join. If a rail line is built from Karachi to Gwadar and up to the reko-diq, it will then be able to connect to the Iranian rail network. That is a service that allows good to go to Europe from the India via the Pakistani railway network.

Secondly, a rail route between Pakistan and Uzbekistan opens up Russia to India via Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Both routes would be faster than shipping by sea and cheaper than flying the goods to Russia and Europe.

Before we invite India, we need to make our proposals financially viable.

Why would Pakistan invite India, what happened to Article 370 outrage?

 

[FuturePAF]

Why would Pakistan invite India, what happened to Article 370 outrage?

Tactical retreat and a change in strategy in the face of the new Cold War. It is time for Pakistan to end its “revolutionary period” (not because it has failed, but it has succeeded and achieved all of what it was suppose to do, in the local population and populations of all nations around itself) and focus on the economy, the real source of modern power, and adopt a mindset akin to Deng Xiaoping’s “bide your time, hide your strength, never claim leadership” saying. Pakistan now needs to provide India opportunities it can’t pass up to channel and direct its continued growth in a way that slowly balances the power dynamic. An example is a large percentage of the Indian population lives in UP and along the GT road alignment. That large percentage of the population is far from the coasts and it’s very doubtful India will move that population to factories on the coasts like China did, for a number of reasons.

Providing rail routes along the two paths westward, I mentioned in the earlier post, make it most beneficial, especially considering how much India has put into its dedicated freight corridors. It’s about using India’s own “mass” to align with Pakistan’s interests.

Kashmir will still be there when Pakistan recovers, and especially if it gets its political, civil protections and cultural act together; I.e. like a civilization dealing with another civilization, not a nation state dealing with a civilization; in a comprehensive manner.

India still has to operate in the face of certain perceptions creating limitations via Muslims in general and Kashmiris in particular.

Pakistan was ahead a generation ago on a per capita basis, with the right reforms, it’s not hard to see it recover, and regain per capita parity, if the powers that be in Pakistan makes the decision to be singularly focused upon it for at least the next two decades, in time for 2047.

Pakistan doesn’t have to outright beat India on all indicators, but offer a better and more dignified life, in a comprehensive manner, for all its citizens as well as become the benchmark for South Asian Muslims in general and Kashmiris in particular. Then just bide its time until an opportunity presents itself to find a better solution, in the coming decades.

Row in India over Obama's remarks on Muslim rights - BBC News

Mr Obama said last week that India may "start pulling apart" if minority rights weren't protected.

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[li0nheart]

Tactical retreat and a change in strategy in the face of the new Cold War. It is time for Pakistan to end its “revolutionary period” (not because it has failed, but it has succeeded and achieved all of what it was suppose to do, in the local population and populations of all nations around itself) and focus on the economy, the real source of modern power, and adopt a mindset akin to Deng Xiaoping’s “bide your time, hide your strength, never claim leadership” saying. Pakistan now needs to provide India opportunities it can’t pass up to channel and direct its continued growth in a way that slowly balances the power dynamic. An example is a large percentage of the Indian population. Is far from the coasts and along the GT road. Providing rail routes along the two paths westward, I mentioned in the earlier post, make it most beneficial, especially considering how much India has put into its dedicated freight corridors. It’s about using India’s own “mass” to align with Pakistan’s interests.

With an honest & impartial mindset, I agree with the assessment. As the age-old saying goes- "Sour grapes" should be left alone. Sour grapes is something that's unattainable.

OTOH, Deng Xioping never said to hide your forex and beg for funds; or to be extremely willing to bend backwards to get them.

Pakistan won't be able to provide any opportunities to India. There is already a very robust infrastructure in place to cater north-western states of India via seaports in Gujarat and Maharashtra. No amount of infrastructure investment in CPEC can make it economically viable (let alone strategically) to use it for the same.

Ironically, rapid rise of China has proved to be the major cause of downfall for Pakistan. It made US to shift focus from Pakistan to India. US will never allow CPEC to be a viable project. It is very easy for them to destabilize Pakistan to achieve this. Unfortunately, as it is happening right now, people of Pakistan will be the one to bear the brunt of the situation.

 

[khansaheeb]

In those 10 years Pakistan has run aground to bankruptcy, unable to pay even interest on debts, unable to buy fuel for military, unable to buy landing/gate fee for planes.....No thanks. CPEC is nothing but Crush Pakistan Expand China.

Are you taking the pi$$ like your Hindu BJP masters?

Chatgpt:-

CPEC, which stands for China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, is a significant development project between China and Pakistan. Here are some positive words that can be associated with CPEC:

1. Collaboration: CPEC promotes collaboration between China and Pakistan, fostering a stronger bilateral relationship.
2. Development: CPEC aims to bring about economic development and growth in Pakistan, enhancing infrastructure, industries, and trade.
3. Connectivity: CPEC enhances connectivity between China and Pakistan, opening up new avenues for trade and investment.
4. Investment: CPEC attracts significant investment from China, providing opportunities for infrastructure development, job creation, and economic progress.
5. Modernization: CPEC facilitates the modernization of Pakistan's infrastructure, including transportation, energy, and telecommunication networks.
6. Employment: CPEC generates employment opportunities through various infrastructure projects, contributing to reduced unemployment rates.
7. Economic Growth: CPEC contributes to Pakistan's economic growth by promoting trade, investment, and industrial development.
8. Regional Connectivity: CPEC plays a crucial role in connecting Pakistan with neighboring regions, fostering regional integration and cooperation.
9. Energy Security: CPEC addresses Pakistan's energy needs by developing energy projects, ensuring a more secure and reliable energy supply.
10. Socioeconomic Benefits: CPEC brings about socioeconomic benefits by improving living standards, reducing poverty, and enhancing the overall quality of life for people in Pakistan.

It's important to note that these words reflect some of the potential positive aspects associated with CPEC, and the actual impact and benefits may vary in practice.

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Pakistan offers India to take advantage of multibillion-dollar CPEC project​

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APP
|July 05, 2023

A general view of Gwadar port in Gwadar, Pakistan Oct. 4, 2017. — Reuters

• "CPEC is a beautiful plan to connect people’s hearts."
• PM congratulates China on 10 years’ completion of CPEC.
• BRI is manifestation of Chinese President Xi’s vision of peace: PM.

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Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has urged arch-rival India to take benefit of the multibillion-dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) infrastructure project instead of creating hurdles in its way.
The premier said this in a statement on Wednesday to mark the completion of 10 years of CPEC.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1676538087273537537

Highlighting the significance of the project, he said Iran, Afghanistan, the Middle East and the whole region would also benefit from the mega-development project.
“CPEC is a beautiful plan to connect not only regions and areas but also people’s hearts,” he was quoted as saying in the statement issued by the PM Office.
PM Shehbaz vowed to double the pace of the development as it was not only for improving roads, rail, seaports and air routes, but it would also help health, education and skill development areas, besides masses’ participation in the process.
Terming it a game changer for the whole region, the prime minister said CPEC would have a positive impact on the people’s living standards in the region.
The prime minister congratulated the leadership and the people of Pakistan and China on 10 years’ completion of CPEC, which he said was a new chapter of the evergreen and trusted strategic cooperative partnership between the two “iron brothers”.
He said the project was a tremendous example of great Chinese leader Xi Jinping and PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif’s vision of “development for all”.
“The Belt and Road initiative is the manifestation of Chinese President Xi’s vision of peace, friendship, and economic partnership.”
He regretted that during the four years of the previous government, hurdles were created in the way of the project, besides levelling baseless allegations against a great friend like China.
“The enemies of CPEC are against peace, development and prosperity in Pakistan and the region, as they do not want to eradicate poverty from the country,” he added.
CPEC, he said, also initiated a new era of mutual partnership between Pakistan and China, and fortified their bilateral relationships.
PM Shehbaz said CPEC encompassed multiple projects ranging from provision of water to education, and technical and skilled-based training.
With the construction of nine Special Economic Zones (SEZs), the new technology would be transferred to Pakistan, which would ultimately help increase local production, he said.
The prime minister also highlighted the impacts of the project on the effectiveness of the National Disaster Management Authority (NDMA) and early warning system for natural disasters as they were parts of CPEC.
Similarly, he said, the agriculture-related projects had also been included in CPEC to ensure food security.

Pakistan offers India to take advantage of multibillion-dollar CPEC project

CPEC is a beautiful plan to connect people’s hearts.PM congratulates China on 10 years’ completion of CPEC.BRI is manifestation of Chinese President Xi’s vision of peace: PM.

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Stuff India, Pakistan should collaborate with Iran, full copperation in every field from agriculture, science and technology, education and trade.

 

[Skull and Bones]

CPEC has to be beneficial above and beyond current menthols for India to desire to join. If a rail line is built from Karachi to Gwadar and up to the reko-diq, it will then be able to connect to the Iranian rail network. That is a service that allows good to go to Europe from the India via the Pakistani railway network.

Secondly, a rail route between Pakistan and Uzbekistan opens up Russia to India via Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Both routes would be faster than shipping by sea and cheaper than flying the goods to Russia and Europe.

Before we invite India, we need to make our proposals financially viable. Then we can focus on other links, such as electricity via connecting grids, oil and gas pipelines, joint ventures in supply chains.

We already have access to Russia and beyond using out Rail/Sea terminal in Iran.

 

[nahtanbob]

Are you taking the pi$$ like your Hindu BJP masters?

Chatgpt:-

CPEC, which stands for China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, is a significant development project between China and Pakistan. Here are some positive words that can be associated with CPEC:

1. Collaboration: CPEC promotes collaboration between China and Pakistan, fostering a stronger bilateral relationship.
2. Development: CPEC aims to bring about economic development and growth in Pakistan, enhancing infrastructure, industries, and trade.
3. Connectivity: CPEC enhances connectivity between China and Pakistan, opening up new avenues for trade and investment.
4. Investment: CPEC attracts significant investment from China, providing opportunities for infrastructure development, job creation, and economic progress.
5. Modernization: CPEC facilitates the modernization of Pakistan's infrastructure, including transportation, energy, and telecommunication networks.
6. Employment: CPEC generates employment opportunities through various infrastructure projects, contributing to reduced unemployment rates.
7. Economic Growth: CPEC contributes to Pakistan's economic growth by promoting trade, investment, and industrial development.
8. Regional Connectivity: CPEC plays a crucial role in connecting Pakistan with neighboring regions, fostering regional integration and cooperation.
9. Energy Security: CPEC addresses Pakistan's energy needs by developing energy projects, ensuring a more secure and reliable energy supply.
10. Socioeconomic Benefits: CPEC brings about socioeconomic benefits by improving living standards, reducing poverty, and enhancing the overall quality of life for people in Pakistan.

Even if some of the above is true why is Pakistan in worse shape than ever