Pakistan Navy Submarine Force to Equal the Indian Navy’s in Numbers with Purchase of 8 Chinese Subs

[Photon]

Another one was badly damaged in a similiar accident.. wasnt it written off?

Anyways those subs are decades old and diving coffins like Migs and mirages of india and Pak..

On an average Kilo class submarine are just 5 - 7 years older than Augasta 90Bs

10 Kilo class submarines were inducted between 1988 and 2000 where as Pakistan inducted 3 Augasta submarine between 1999 and 2008.

9 Kilo submarines are active right now .

Kilo class submarine have gone through a mid life upgrade, giving them ability to fire 220 Km Club LACM/ASHM.

So they are as much as "diving coffins" as Pakistan's Augasta 90s give or take 5 years.

By Mid of next decade PN SUB fleet will be more like this

8 Chinese Yuan class SSKs with CM VLS
3 Augusta 90B Khalid class Subs

By Mid of next decade IN SUB fleet will be more like this
6 Scorpene SSKs Class
2-3 P-75 SSKs
~3 Arihant class SSBNs
Note: Kilo and HDW will be museum examples by then

all other wish list of having 5 SSBN for India is still a pipe dream. or PN having SSBN is also a pipe dream by mid of next decade. there is no proof of either of the country having any of the above.

Mid of next decade is 2025.

By 2025 Pakistan will have

Just
4 Yuan class subs (assuming there are no delays )
3 Augasta 90Bs


Where as Indian navy will have.

6 Scorpene SSKs Class

2-3 P-75 SSKs

3 - 4 Arihant class SSBNs

2 Akula II Class SSNs( one already in service , agreement for the second one signed in Goa during BRICS conference.

9 Kilo class submarines

As said before on an average Kilo class is just 5 -7 years older than Augasta 90b , plus they have just had their mid life upgrades.

Unfortunately INS Kirpan ran away or else there could have been more accomplishments.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-ins-kirpan-turned-and-fled-1024726



Before calling others kiddo learn the fact that there is no "rusty german" submarines in PN fleet.

All its conventional submarines are French and only 2 of them are a bit obsolete. The other 3 Augusta 90B are very much advanced and were built in 90's and 2000's unlike your kilos. Got it??

1. Kilos were built from late 80s to 2000

2. Pakistan's Augasta 70s were actually built in late 70s, making them on average 20 older than Kilos , yet they are still in service.
So it safe to assume Kilo will last atleast 20 more years.

3. PNS hangor's single kill is nothing compared to carnage brought down upon Karachi harbour and Pakistan's surface navy and merchant fleets by Indian navy's small missile boats.

PNS Ghazi and INS Vikrant decimation of East Pakistani harbours is all together a different story.

 

[Hassan Guy]

On an average Kilo class submarine are just 5 - 7 years older than Augasta 90Bs

10 Kilo class submarines were inducted between 1988 and 2000 where as Pakistan inducted 3 Augasta submarine between 1999 and 2008.

9 Kilo submarines are active right now .

Kilo class submarine have gone through a mid life upgrade, giving them ability to fire 220 Km Club LACM/ASHM.

So they are as much as "diving coffins" as Pakistan's Augasta 90s give or take 5 years.



Mid of next decade is 2025.

By 2025 Pakistan will have

Just
4 Yuan class subs (assuming there are no delays )
3 Augasta 90Bs


Where as Indian navy will have.

6 Scorpene SSKs Class

2-3 P-75 SSKs

3 - 4 Arihant class SSBNs

2 Akula II Class SSNs( one already in service , agreement for the second one signed in Goa during BRICS conference.

9 Kilo class submarines

As said before on an average Kilo class is just 5 -7 years older than Augasta 90b , plus they have just had their mid life upgrades.



1. Kilos were built from late 80s to 2000

2. Pakistan's Augasta 70s were actually built in late 70s, making them on average 20 older than Kilos , yet they are still in service.
So it safe to assume Kilo will last atleast 20 more years.

3. PNS hangor's single kill is nothing compared to carnage brought down upon Karachi harbour and Pakistan's surface navy and merchant fleets by Indian navy's small missile boats.

PNS Ghazi and INS Vikrant decimation of East Pakistani harbours is all together a different story.

There won't be any delays, we aren't working with DRDO. Pakistan will get it's subs on time.

In time Pakistan will get 11 AIP subs and most probably a few Ballistic Missile Subs as well(potentially nuclear powered).

 

[danger007]

PNS Hangor sinking INS Kukri might not be nothing for you. But it meant a lot for us since it was like a jackpot. Killing even single one of you tastes so sweet. Killing 194 of you in a single go is sweeter than Gulab Jamun.

PNS Ghazi was hit by its own mines. You cowards even destroyed the documents related to its destruction to hide the fact that it was destroyed by an accident.

https://defence.pk/threads/damage-assesment-1971-indo-pak-naval-war.327619/

 

[Hassan Guy]

"11 AIP subs and most probably a few Ballistic Missile Subs as well(potentially nuclear powered"

any source ?

3 Agosta plus 8 Yuan.

 

[Photon]

PNS Hangor sinking INS Kukri might not be nothing for you. But it meant a lot for us since it was like a jackpot. Killing even single one of you tastes so sweet. Killing 194 of you in a single go is sweeter than Gulab Jamun.

PNS Ghazi was hit by its own mines. You cowards even destroyed the documents related to its destruction to hide the fact that it was destroyed by an accident.

Number of casualties inflicted up on Pakistan navy runs in thousands, and another 1500 PN personnel were made to surrender, thats is not even counting the casualties inflicted in Karachi, chittagong and Cox's bazaar harbours

But we don't gloat over body count, but then I guess we are just better people than you are.

Even if it is believed that PNS Ghazi crew were incompetent enough to run over its own mines, then also Pakistan navy was soundly defeated everywhere.

There won't be any delays, we aren't working with DRDO. Pakistan will get it's subs on time.

In time Pakistan will get 11 AIP subs and most probably a few Ballistic Missile Subs as well(potentially nuclear powered).

It took Pakistan 18 years to get 3 submarines, while working with French, who is to say it might not happen again.

Present evidence (or lack of it) indicates getting SSBN / SSGN or even SSK with LACM is still a pipe dream for Pakistan.

S-30 Chinese subs Pakistan is acquiring will not have VLS but just torpedo launched anti ship cruise missiles (sub launched version of C-802).

 

[Areesh]

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https://defence.pk/threads/damage-assesment-1971-indo-pak-naval-war.327619/

Pakistani Casualtly and Losses

Casualties and losses
1,900 Killed in action †
1,413 captured (POW)

• 2 Destroyers[12]
  1 Minesweeper[12]
  1 Submarine[13]
  3 Patrol vessels
  7 Gunboats
• 18 Cargo, Supply and Communication ships
  3 Merchant Navy shipscaptured[14]
  10 small vesselscaptured[15]
• Widespread damage to Chittagong Harbour
• Pakistani main port Karachi facilities damaged/fuel tanks destroyed[12][16]
• Pakistani airfields damaged and cratered[17].

Indian Casualties and Losses

194 Killed in Action †
1 Frigate-
1 Aircraft (Alize 203)[18][19].

Only for your information,yes we agreed sinking of INS Khukri.Please go through the Pakistani Navy losses and casuality.1,900 Pakistani Navy men is not sweeter for us,as they where men in uniform and died defending there country.

Ontopic-8 Subs from China is a good deterrence from Year 2028,but what about till 2028 still 12 years to go.

Good. Now keep masturbating over it till we give you more burn in your "integral part".

Number of casualties inflicted up on Pakistan navy runs in thousands, and another 1500 PN personnel were made to surrender, thats is not even counting the casualties inflicted in Karachi, chittagong and Cox's bazaar harbours

But we don't gloat over body count, but then I guess we are just better people than you are.

Even if it is believed that PNS Ghazi crew were incompetent enough to run over its own mines, then also Pakistan navy was soundly defeated everywhere.

But still your casualties could have increased further only if INS kirpan wouldn't have ran away leaving INS Kukri to die. Not our fault that we couldn't score another kill.

In any case you are the worst among all nations. We take pride and love killing your men in uniform. Unlike you who take pride in killing civilians.
As for PNS ghazi. It was an accident that happened during war time. It happens. You lost a whole submarine while docking at your coast in peacetime.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Number of casualties inflicted up on Pakistan navy runs in thousands, and another 1500 PN personnel were made to surrender, thats is not even counting the casualties inflicted in Karachi, chittagong and Cox's bazaar harbours

But we don't gloat over body count, but then I guess we are just better people than you are.

Even if it is believed that PNS Ghazi crew were incompetent enough to run over its own mines, then also Pakistan navy was soundly defeated everywhere.



It took Pakistan 18 years to get 3 submarines, while working with French, who is to say it might not happen again.

Present evidence (or lack of it) indicates getting SSBN / SSGN or even SSK with LACM is still a pipe dream for Pakistan.

S-30 Chinese subs Pakistan is acquiring will not have VLS but just torpedo launched anti ship cruise missiles (sub launched version of C-802).

By 2028 the subs will be built. We aren't working with the French and especially DRDO so time isn't a worry.

And I wouldn't get too carried away, there is a pretty high chance of Pakistan producing Ballistic missile submarines with VLS.

 

[ravi gupta]

Good. Now keep masturbating over it till we give you more burn in your "integral part".



But still your casualties could have increased further only if INS kirpan wouldn't have ran away leaving INS Kukri to die. Not our fault that we couldn't score another kill.

In any case you are the worst among all nations. We take pride and love killing your men in uniform. Unlike you who take pride in killing civilians.
As for PNS ghazi. It was an accident that happened during war time. It happens. You lost a whole submarine while docking at your coast in peacetime.

I know its unanswerable so expecting such stupid kind of reply from you.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Hello all
If some one living in a dream that we can have or going to have more subs then Indians , then they are ........... well I wont say it u all are very intelligent .
We have only 3 AG90Bs and 2AG70s right now ,,,,,,,,,,,, 8 more coming from china so till 2028 max we will have 3+2+8 = 13 (way low number and also not fulfill PN requirement which is 18 subs ) .
Because of our own need and also to counter IN , PN looking for more subs , that's y you all hear things like PN looking for western subs , yes that's true in reality we are looking , few options are there , May be we go for more advance AG90Bs or any other new platform , I m very hopeful in next 4 to 5 years (till 2020) Pakistan Navy will have new agreement for 6 to 8 more advance AIP eqm Subs from any western country (a new build) ,
There are also some plane to replace AG70s with 2 to 3 used more advance (then AG70s) subs , if all go well , we may hear that news first .

Note: Most important thing here is , Now we are giving importance to over Navy , we are buying and building new Ship and Subs with also trying to have a very good Navy's Air wing . We just need will an have to act fast no time to waist .

 

[iby32]

How about 20 ACC and 500 Gen 5 aircrafts?

i think you should control you imagination. We will never have more than 10 frigates in surface combatants as it is not part of our naval doctrine.

Thats not my imagination we are still stuck on man behinde machine things as you know we losing our aircrafts even without fighting against enemy you cant fight with current technology with 1970 or 80 technology. Our goverment is no1 croupt in world if goverment is patriotic with country no problem with getting what i mentiond every year billions goes in crouption if we spend that on our security no one can dare to send tereoristis in balochistan in form of bla or ttp in fata n kpk or mqm in karachi

 

[Areesh]

I know its unanswerable so expecting such stupid kind of reply from you.

What?? Keep living in 1971 while you get your as$ whipped.

 

[ravi gupta]

What?? Keep living in 1971 while you get your as$ whipped.

You are talking off topic with no sense,neither we are living in 71 or 84 or 99,but yes live in present,hope you understood.
If you have anything on -topic will discuss.

 

[shah1398]

Indian is already ahead of us in getting new subs plus its mainly not about numbers but about capabilities. Unless we come up with something smart (which I hope so is the case) then we can do something about balancing this factor. Am not sure but recent sub leaks of French subs for India can play a pivotal role in this regard (only if Pakistan or China have already got the data with regards to sensitive stuff out there). Plus its not just only about subs, we have got damn serious work to do with regards to ships too.

 

[Photon]

Good. Now keep masturbating over it till we give you more burn in your "integral part".



But still your casualties could have increased further only if INS kirpan wouldn't have ran away leaving INS Kukri to die. Not our fault that we couldn't score another kill.

In any case you are the worst among all nations. We take pride and love killing your men in uniform. Unlike you who take pride in killing civilians.
As for PNS ghazi. It was an accident that happened during war time. It happens. You lost a whole submarine while docking at your coast in peacetime.

That is why, you loose all your wars. Wars are not won dying but by killing your enemy.

Tactical retreat is not cowardice, but war time necessity.

Engaging in rescue ops , when your enemy has the tactical advantage over you, as was the case Kirpan and Hangor is not only foolish but suicidal.

Why didn't PNS Hangor pursue INS Kirpan or even linger around when Kirpan returned to the scene in couple of hours ?

But explaining strategy to kid will no brains and just false bravado from watching too many movies, is a foolish endeavor in itself.

As for your "love of killing Indian soldiers" is concerned , clearly you need psychiatric help, you should ask parents to take you to a doctor.

We neither take pride in killing your soldiers or your civilians, but we do what we have to , when pushed into it.

Judging from these war time statistics, and do a damn better job than you!

Most intelligent Pakistanis will agree ( thought you might not), It is better make mistakes and learn from those mistakes i.e loose a submarine in peace time, than in war time, as you did .

 

[CHI RULES]

Hello all
If some one living in a dream that we can have or going to have more subs then Indians , then they are ........... well I wont say it u all are very intelligent .
We have only 3 AG90Bs and 2AG70s right now ,,,,,,,,,,,, 8 more coming from china so till 2028 max we will have 3+2+8 = 13 (way low number and also not fulfill PN requirement which is 18 subs ) .
Because of our own need and also to counter IN , PN looking for more subs , that's y you all hear things like PN looking for western subs , yes that's true in reality we are looking , few options are there , May be we go for more advance AG90Bs or any other new platform , I m very hopeful in next 4 to 5 years (till 2020) Pakistan Navy will have new agreement for 6 to 8 more advance AIP eqm Subs from any western country (a new build) ,
There are also some plane to replace AG70s with 2 to 3 used more advance (then AG70s) subs , if all go well , we may hear that news first .

Note: Most important thing here is , Now we are giving importance to over Navy , we are buying and building new Ship and Subs with also trying to have a very good Navy's Air wing . We just need will an have to act fast no time to waist .

To add facts show that may be Pak will go for few second hand German Subs from Turkey with major upgrades.