Pakistan’s rejection of Indian stance on Sir Creek

[Omar1984]

Pakistan’s rejection of Indian stance on Sir Creek


UNITED NATIONS, Jan 6 (APP): Pakistan’s strong challenge to India’s position on the Sir Creek estuary border dispute has been posted on the United Nations web site, saying Islamabad does not recognise the New Delhi-promulgated baseline system. The challenge is contained in a Dec 06 letter addressed to Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon by the Pakistan Mission to the United Nations in New York. India’s notifications enumerating its claims in regard to Sir Creek were placed on the web site of the UN Division for Ocean Affairs and the Law of the Sea in May and November 2009.

The 96-km estuary separates India’s Gujarat state from Pakistan’s Sindh province. The Indian claims “impinge upon Pakistan’s territorial limits in Sir Greek area and encroach upon its territorial waters, which are within its sovereign jurisdiction,” the letter tells the UN chief. “This encroachment by India in Pakistan’s limits is a grave violation of international principles and established practices and clear violation” of relevant article of the UN Law of the Sea Convention.

The articles state that the system of straight baseline may not be applied by a State in such a manner as to cut off the territorial sea of another state form the high seas of Exclusive Economic Zones.

“While the Government of Pakistan reserves its right to seek suitable revision of this notification, any claim India makes on the basis of Indian Notification to extend its sovereignty and jurisdiction on Pakistani waters or extend its internal waters, territorial sea, Exclusive Economic Zone and Continental Shelf is therefore not acceptable to Pakistan,” the letter added.



Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency )

 

[Rusty]

compromise here and there and pretty soon all of Pakistan will belong to India.
India is a giant country, yet it is still trying to nibble away at a much smaller Pakistan.
No matter how much you have, nothing is good enough for greed.

 

[Omar1984]

The Sir Creek area. The Green Line is the boundary as claimed by Pakistan, the red line is the boundary as claimed by India.



Economic reasons
Though the creek has little military value, it holds immense economic gain. Much of the region is rich in oil and gas below the sea bed, and control over the creek would have a huge bearing on the energy potential of each nation. Also once the boundaries are defined, it would help in the determination of the maritime boundaries which are drawn as an extension of onshore reference points. Maritime boundaries also help in determining the limits of Exclusive Economic Zones (EEZs) and continental shelves. EEZs extend to 200 nautical miles (370 km) and can be subjected to commercial exploitation.


And yes, this is another disputed territory with India since 1947.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Why the heck should we compromise when its our territory!

 

[Omar1984]

Why the heck should we compromise when its our territory!

Yes its historically part of Sindh.

Sindh is Pakistan's province.

 

[Bang Galore]

Why the heck should we compromise when its our territory!

Only in your perception, we have the opposite view. Status quo suits us just fine, so keep writing to whoever you want; won't make an iota of difference to us. Pakistan's biggest problem is that it takes a maximalist position & gets its people all riled up about it & then finds that all that emotion makes it impossible to find a middle ground in negotiations. End result; Status quo which suits India just fine

 

[Omar1984]

India has territorial disputes with all its neighbors and they know that they are just being ridiculous with their claims.

- Aksai Chin = India, China

- Arunachal Pradesh - India, China

- Azad Kashmir - India, Pakistan

- Boraibari - India, Bangladesh

- Daikhata-Dumabari - India, Bangladesh

- Demchok, Chumar, Kaurik, Shipki Pass, Jadh, and Lapthal - India, China

- Gilgit-Baltistan - India, Pakistan

- Indo-Bangladesh enclaves - India, Bangladesh

- Kachatheevu Island - India, Sri Lanka

- Jammu and Kashmir - India, Pakistan

- Kalapani region, the smaller Susta River dispute and the smaller still Antudanda and Nawalparasi disputes - India, Nepal

- Lathitila - India, Bangladesh

- Muhurichar river island - India, Bangladesh

- Pyrdiwah - India, Bangladesh

- Shaksgam Valley - India, China

- Siachen Glacier and Saltoro Ridge area - India, Pakistan

- Sir Creek - India, Pakistan

- South Talpatti/New Moore/Purbasha Island - India, Bangladesh

- Trans-Karakoram Tract - India, China


If India shared a border with U.S. they would claim half of America.

 

[Shinigami]

if u r a smart observer, you will see that india does not wish to lose anymore territory, thats all.

pak and china have been trying forcefully to grab territory, but india does not employ force for this purpose. wonder why?

 

[patna_ke_presley]

Look like both higher than mountain friends China and Pakistan have same attitude of asking 100%. Just look at China's claim of South China sea. If a Malaysian of Borneo Island go out to swim, he will enter in so called Chinese territory soon. Both Chinese and Pakistanis are ready to dump international deal in garbage bin when it comes to Greed to have more land.

Dear you don't have claim on the Channel, the channel forms natural boundary of Kuchchh district and international laws says that countries have equal shares on such channels.

 

[patna_ke_presley]

India has territorial disputes with all its neighbors and they know that they are just being ridiculous with their claims.

- Aksai Chin = India, China

- Arunachal Pradesh - India, China

- Azad Kashmir - India, Pakistan

- Boraibari - India, Bangladesh

- Daikhata-Dumabari - India, Bangladesh

- Demchok, Chumar, Kaurik, Shipki Pass, Jadh, and Lapthal - India, China

- Gilgit-Baltistan - India, Pakistan

- Indo-Bangladesh enclaves - India, Bangladesh

- Kachatheevu Island - India, Sri Lanka

- Jammu and Kashmir - India, Pakistan

- Kalapani region, the smaller Susta River dispute and the smaller still Antudanda and Nawalparasi disputes - India, Nepal

- Lathitila - India, Bangladesh

- Muhurichar river island - India, Bangladesh

- Pyrdiwah - India, Bangladesh

- Shaksgam Valley - India, China

- Siachen Glacier and Saltoro Ridge area - India, Pakistan

- Sir Creek - India, Pakistan

- South Talpatti/New Moore/Purbasha Island - India, Bangladesh

- Trans-Karakoram Tract - India, China


If India shared a border with U.S. they would claim half of America.

Now have a look at Pakistan's dispute with their neighbors.
1) India:- you already know.
2) Afghanistan:- Afghanistan don't recognize Durand Line
3) China:- China used to claim large Part of Gilgit Baltistan. however, China surrendered their claim on Gilgit-Baltistan to use Pakistan as a proxy against India. Pakistan surrendered Shasken Valley to the China even though they considered it disputed territory with India and I see many Pakistan maps today which shows both Aksai Chin and Shasken Valley as a Part of Pakistan.
4) Iran:- Better read this news.
Border Dispute Could Seal Iran-Pakistan Crossings -- News from Antiwar.com

Pakistan had dispute with all of its neighbor but Pakistan sacrificed its claim on Shasken Valley only to counter India.

 

[WAR-rior]

Look like both higher than mountain friends China and Pakistan have same attitude of asking 100%. Just look at China's claim of South China sea. If a Malaysian of Borneo Island go out to swim, he will enter in so called Chinese territory soon. Both Chinese and Pakistanis are ready to dump international deal in garbage bin when it comes to Greed to have more land.

Dear you don't have claim on the Channel, the channel forms natural boundary of Kuchchh district and international laws says that countries have equal shares on such channels.

but it dent matter to pakistan. either whole is theirs or no peace. india is asking for 50% of the common water body. is it illogical or wrong to ask ?

 

[patna_ke_presley]

dont worry guys,wait for 10 more years..they will agree on every point
i say every point

Yes, Pakistanis know this but they won't go for it as it will be a National humiliation if they give any concession to India( courtesy:- Pakistan: A Hard Country by Anatol Lieven).

In Pakistan many people has started talking openly that they are not going to get whole Kashmir so they should opt for the middle path. I was reading interview of a former Militant on Kashmir, he was saying,"We thought when a Superpower Soviets can be flushed out of Afghanistan in 10 years, why can't smaller India be flushed out of Kashmir by using same Technique but 20 years passed and we are still far away from our goal."

And they have only option to surrender their 100% claim on Sir Creek because it is dadagiri against International Maritime laws.

But it seems Pakistanis are ready to follow only those who says Pakistanis are destined to hoist Pakistani flag on Red Fort in Delhi.(Zaid Hamid is the third most followed Pakistani on Facebook). Even Hamid mir was once saying he can surrender our sovereignty to US but when it comes to India we won't surrender anything. And their stubborn attitude will make them to suffer more in future.

 

[Secur]

Now have a look at Pakistan's dispute with their neighbors.
2) Afghanistan:- Afghanistan don't recognize Durand Line
3) China:- China used to claim large Part of Gilgit Baltistan. however, China surrendered their claim on Gilgit-Baltistan to use Pakistan as a proxy against India. Pakistan surrendered Shasken Valley to the China even though they considered it disputed territory with India and I see many Pakistan maps today which shows both Aksai Chin and Shasken Valley as a Part of Pakistan.
4) Iran:- Better read this news.
Border Dispute Could Seal Iran-Pakistan Crossings -- News from Antiwar.com

Pakistan had dispute with all of its neighbor but Pakistan sacrificed its claim on Shasken Valley only to counter India.

Let me enlighten you a little ... The Durand Line dispute was long solved somewhere in 1956 , it doesn't make any difference what the present Afghan Govt with absolutely zero control outside the presidential palace does or think ...

Afghanistan :

The Afghan Government accepts the Indo–Afghan frontier accepted by the late Amir
—Article V of the August 8, 1919 Treaty of Rawalpindi
The two high contracting parties mutually accept the Indo-Afghan frontier as accepted by the Afghan Government under Article V of the Treaty concluded on August 8, 1919
—Article II of the November 22, 1921 finalising of the Treaty of Rawalpindi


His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom has seen with regret the disagreements between the Governments of Pakistan and Afghanistan about the status of the territories on the North West Frontier. It is His Majesty's Government's view that Pakistan is in international law the inheritor of the rights and duties of the old Government of India and of his Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom in these territories and that the Durand Line is the international frontier.[32]
—Philip Noel-Baker, June 30, 1950

The members of the Council declared that their governments recognized that the sovereignty of Pakistan extends up to the Durand Line, the international boundary between Pakistan and Afghanistan, and it was consequently affirmed that the Treaty area referred to in Articles IV and VIII of the Treaty includes the area up to that Line.[33]
—SEATO, March 8, 1956

China :

Only used to claim areas which were given to Maharaja by the British Govt without any acceptance or ratification by China ... Hence your dispute over Aksai Chin and parts of Himachal Pradesh ... As a matter of fact , Pakistan surrendered nothing ... It just demarcated the boundary on a very inhospitable and difficult terrain ... Thats it ... We aren't stubborn to claim everything as our integral part or such ... The very reason even the Northern Areas and Azad Kashmir remain open for negotiation in dialogue with India w.r.t Kashmir ...

In the 1950s Pakistan became concerned that Chinese maps showed areas of Pakistan in China. In 1961 Ayub Khan sent a formal Note to China, and a year later China proposed a provisional agreement, subject to final resolution of the Kashmir dispute. Negotiations resulted in an agreement signed on 2 March 1963. The agreement resulted in China withdrawing from about 750 sq m of territory, and Pakistan abandoning its claim to about 2,050 sq m of territory (which it had not in fact occupied or administered).[10]

Professor M. Taylor Fravel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) has written a definitive work on China's territorial disputes. In an outstandingly able survey, he provides, with copious references to Chinese sources, an overview that reveals China's outlook on the disputes. This is what this scholar of unimpeachable credentials has to say on what the China-Pakistan boundary agreement actually provides:

“China maintained control over more of the disputed territory, but the agreement overall was more favourable to Pakistan. China kept roughly 5,309 square kilometres it contested in the Shaksgam Valley. However, it transferred [ sic] control of some 1,942 square kilometres of territory in the Oprang Valley to Pakistan, which also maintained control over an additional 1,554 square kilometres of territory it already held. On balance, Pakistan seems to have gained more from the deal, as the final borderline followed closely the line of actual control advocated by Pakistan. China not only abandoned its claims to the Hunza, but Pakistan also received grazing areas in the Prang and Bund Darwaza valleys, the Kharachanai salt mine, and the town of Sokh Bulaq. In addition, Pakistan kept control over three-fourths of K2 as well as six of seven disputed mountain passes. Finally, Pakistan transferred no territory already under its control to China.” (Page 116; emphasis added, throughout.) It was instead China which “transferred control of some 1,942 square kilometres” to Pakistan.

AS for Iran , tell us what Border dispute does Pakistan have with Iran and how come it never gained prominence in news or articles ? So stop this bull **** crap practice of inventing things on your own ...

 

[patna_ke_presley]

how come it never gained prominence in news or articles ? So stop this bull **** crap practice of inventing things on your own ...

Afghanistan only dumped Durand line dispute because of civil war, soon it will get prominence there would be another season of Border Dispute with Pakistan. Also, you forgot to mention, Pakistan claims Wakhan Corridor as the Part of Chitral District. and many border are still not demarcated between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Secondly Pakistan only lost huge territory in 1963 Border agreement with China instead of going for debunking border dispute(Pakistan's surrender to China) as both sides were ready to compromise on their claim to counter India

And I gave you the link regarding Iran, there are many region between two countries which is not properly demarcated.

 

[Secur]

Afghanistan only dumped Durand line dispute because of civil war, soon it will get prominence there would be another season of Border Dispute with Pakistan. Also, you forgot to mention, Pakistan claims Wakhan Corridor as the Part of Chitral District. and many border are still not demarcated between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Secondly Pakistan only lost huge territory in 1963 Border agreement with China as both sides were ready to compromise on their claim to counter India

And I gave you the link regarding Iran, there are many region between two countries which is not properly demarcated.

Afghan Govt itself signed the agreement with the British crown , who gives a damn **** what the ruler of the Kabul presidential palace thinks ?
How come i never heard my Govt claims Wakhan Corridor as Pakistani territory or is this BR history version ?

Did you bother to read my post which clearly shows that Pakistan lost no land in 1963 agreement but settled and demarcated a hostile terrain and gained a loyal and faithful friend ?

Yeah , I saw the bull **** link you provided , some third class inventing things up like always ... Get me something from a credible site and we shall discuss it ...