PAK SCAN: PAKISTAN SAYS IT HAS A COUNTER TO INDIA'S COLD START DOCTRINE

[randomradio]

It hate to put it. Even ten nukes - one each on Mumbai, Delhi, Ahmedabad, Chandigarh, Jaipur, Agra, Bhopal, Surat, Jammu and Kanpur will set India back by a decade

All major wars set economies back by a few years to a few decades. The difference is in how much damage you can do to your enemy in return and how well/quickly you can reconstruct post war. That loss can be recouped, and in exchange you no longer have an enemy, so more funds can be used for reconstruction. Look at Japan and the post war economies of Europe as an example. WW2 saw more damage than any Indo-Pak war will.

Earlier, we had three fronts, W. Pak, E. Pak and China. After 1971, we had only W. Pak and China. In case of a new Indo-Pak war, we will have only one front, China. We can directly cut our army's expenditure by half if Pak is no longer a threat. We won't need those expensive strike corps for our western border, we will only need frontier troops. Rather money can be spent on expeditionary capabilities and building up defensive capabilities on the Chinese border.

 

[Max]

Yes. Even they don't have that capability. If you really wanna 'wipe out' India, you will need at least 10 times what Russia has. Pakistan only has a piddly 150 nukes.

The Soviet Union's scorched earth policy during WW2 was more devastating than a nuclear war when it comes to wiping out a geographic area.

Nuclear war is highly overestimated, especially ones between countries other than the US and Russia because all other countries have nukes only as deterrence, so it does not play a particularly effective warfighting tool. Even the US and Russia cannot wipe each other out. That's why they have prepared their armies to continue fighting a nuclear war until victory.

There is a reason why nobody except Russia and US have thousands of nukes, they only have enough nukes to serve as a deterrent to protect themselves from an attack. Otherwise countries like India and China have the kind of resources to have 5000+ nukes each as well. Of course, that's also why Russia and US have considerably reduced the size of their arsenals as well. So, Pakistan's arsenal is actually very small.

Conventional capabilities determine the winner in a nuclear war. What nuclear weapons do is give countries the capability to finish wars much more quickly than before.

What is more fearful for Pakistan is the fact that the Indian Army will become an occupation force in Pakistan and that does not bode well for any Pakistani citizen.

It is India that has the advantage when it comes to first strike. According to our doctrine, we will launch nukes the minute your military initiates the process of launching nukes. Since Pakistan is small, India has the advantage when it comes to surveillance. Plus we know for a fact that reconstruction is possible. Not to mention, we have BMD.

so you can absorb 150 piddly nukes on your top most population and industrial centers with ease and can survive as nation? Oh i forget i quoted a bharati from bollywood

another deleusion, Pakistan is fearful.. lol Your military dont have enough number to overwhelm Pakistan.. Just look at armoury numbers... @DESERT FIGHTER can teach you better..

 

[Paranoid Android]

Where India's credibility
* After supplying weapons to ISIS.

* Indians resistance to expansion from BRICS or BRCS +, because Pakistan is there.

* Indian contempt towards Nepal.
* Trying to derail Russian, Chinese and Pakistani effort for peaceful Afghanistan. (Where India was accommodated in talks after Pakistani efforts)

Self fulfillment has a limit...
No,India is not supplying weapon to ISIS.What is your manifest regarding such low life claim?
About BRICS,Your economy is not even up par to a low standard limit to be considered in such group of premiers..You mortgage your airport to get loans from third party.You can't even provide a million to development bank..

 

[MastanKhan]

Don't understand you please explain what do you mean?

Hi,

I could not be any clearer in my message---.

If you have around 150 K troops and an air and naval battle group in the arena---would it not be obvious who would be give more consideration.

 

[Lotus_stalk]

Cold start is not required, building dams on Indus is enough... and Indian consulates in Afghanistan is cheaper than cold start....

 

[randomradio]

so you can absorb 150 piddly nukes on your top most population and industrial centers with ease and can survive as nation? Oh i forget i quoted a bharati from bollywood

Yes, easily. It's because, as I have already said, we will be launching nukes first. And our nukes will be aimed at your nukes and delivery systems. Then whatever surviving nukes you are able to launch will be stopped by our multi-layer BMD. So we won't receive all 150 nukes that you have.

Our industrial clusters are massive. And we are building more, most of these clusters will be the size of Pakistan itself. For example, the DMIC itself will see the construction of a dozen new industrial cities and half a dozen new cities, it's about the size of the entirety of Pakistan, and will see an addition of 100 million people here.

Just look at the size of the investment zone.

There are more targets within this region alone than you have nukes in total. So you can't even take out our new construction activities let alone what already exists.

And we will have about 5 such major clusters stretching over thousands of kilometers. Delhi-Kolkata, Delhi-Chennai, Mumbai-Bangalore, Bangalore-Chennai, Central India hub.

India's too big with a fast growing population. That's why I said even Russia cannot wipe us out, forget Pakistan.

another deleusion, Pakistan is fearful.. lol Your military dont have enough number to overwhelm Pakistan.. Just look at armoury numbers... @DESERT FIGHTER can teach you better..

What we have is enough. We have more tanks than what Hitler had when he invaded the Soviet Union. And our tanks are far more sophisticated than Pak tanks and in greater numbers. At least the Soviets had 3 times more tanks than Hitler.

 

[Basel]

As though you have the clue what India is planning to do. Even though Google is a good tool, you may not find it there.

I don't need google to do that.

Yes, easily. It's because, as I have already said, we will be launching nukes first. And our nukes will be aimed at your nukes and delivery systems. Then whatever surviving nukes you are able to launch will be stopped by our multi-layer BMD. So we won't receive all 150 nukes that you have.

Our industrial clusters are massive. And we are building more, most of these clusters will be the size of Pakistan itself. For example, the DMIC itself will see the construction of a dozen new industrial cities and half a dozen new cities, it's about the size of the entirety of Pakistan, and will see an addition of 100 million people here.

Just look at the size of the investment zone.

There are more targets within this region alone than you have nukes in total. So you can't even take out our new construction activities let alone what already exists.

And we will have about 5 such major clusters stretching over thousands of kilometers. Delhi-Kolkata, Delhi-Chennai, Mumbai-Bangalore, Bangalore-Chennai, Central India hub.

India's too big with a fast growing population. That's why I said even Russia cannot wipe us out, forget Pakistan.



What we have is enough. We have more tanks than what Hitler had when he invaded the Soviet Union. And our tanks are far more sophisticated than Pak tanks and in greater numbers. At least the Soviets had 3 times more tanks than Hitler.

Do you know the number of ATGMs and Anti tank guns PA have? They are enough to take out whole IA's tank force more then once.

Cold start is not required, building dams on Indus is enough... and Indian consulates in Afghanistan is cheaper than cold start....

That's invitation to MAD and BMD will not save India if god forbid that time comes. There will be no winner in it.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Do you know the number of ATGMs and Anti tank guns PA have? They are enough to take out whole IA's tank force more then once.

You should know How Battles are fought

Our tanks will not come in the range of your Guns and ATGMs

Before our Tanks move ; All the Targets would be saturated with Artilerry attacks
And Air Strikes

We know exactly where your Dug In Infantry positions ; Pill Boxes are located
and other Static defences are located

 

[Asim Mirza]

Both Pak and India wont fight anymore like they did in past

They Did big mistakes to crash there economy with fighting these wars thats why both country left behind far from other countries
All I Know its only Words Diplomatic blame game
1 will say he is doing this other is saying he is doing this blah blah

Grow Up

All you guys knows war is not happening anymore only tic tac here and there

Be positive and just build your economy and give benefits to poor nation

 

[Basel]

You should know How Battles are fought

Our tanks will not come in the range of your Guns and ATGMs

Before our Tanks move ; All the Targets would be saturated with Artilerry attacks
And Air Strikes

We know exactly where your Dug In Infantry positions ; Pill Boxes are located
and other Static defences are located

Really how far your tanks can fire? Usually its 2.5km and even HJ-8 Bakter shikan of PA has more range than that, which is not front line ATGM of PA now and Anti Tank guns have much higher range and they will have proper air defence protection too.

PA also have standoff weapons and same will happen with IA's positions as we know where to hit them due to capability of round the clock monitoring.

 

[ravi gupta]

I don't need google to do that.



Do you know the number of ATGMs and Anti tank guns PA have? They are enough to take out whole IA's tank force more then once.



That's invitation to MAD and BMD will not save India if god forbid that time comes. There will be no winner in it.

Have you heard about weapon CBU-105,thats one cluster bomb will take 40 tanks of yours in one shot.Out Jaguars are armed with that.Only quoting one option from many just to advice you the firepower india have.

 

[Basel]

Have you heard about weapon CBU-105,thats one cluster bomb will take 40 tanks of yours in one shot.Out Jaguars are armed with that.Only quoting one option from many just to advice you the firepower india have.

First it will not be possible to launch those because PA will hit IAF before they can launch those, you just don't know how much PA have invested in countering IAF's advantage and CBU-105 is not as accurate as it is hyped, I have posted its video on LY-80 thread go watch it there.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Really how far your tanks can fire? Usually its 2.5km and even HJ-8 Bakter shikan of PA has more range than that, which is not front line ATGM of PA now and Anti Tank guns have much higher range and they will have proper air defence protection too.

PA also have standoff weapons and same will happen with IA's positions as we know where to hit them due to capability of round the clock monitoring.

In a High Intensity battle of ATTRITION ; the side with the larger
forces and fire power will win

As I said earlier your defensive positions would get hammered with Artillery; MBRLs
and Air Strikes

The Initiative lies with India

Even if you know exactly where we are located ; can you read our Mind

We can open TWELVE fronts at the same time all along the Border

 

[Areesh]

Chhutya bharati kids again with there delusions of surviving nuclear war and opening 12 fronts and destroying whole Pakistani force with CBU 105.

It is not just a section of the society. Whole country of Hindosstan has gone psycho. No wonder a simple beef burger can make them piss in their undies. These guys need help and fast. Where the f*Ck is World Health Organization when you need it? @DESERT FIGHTER @Max

 

[ravi gupta]

First it will not be possible to launch those because PA will hit IAF before they can launch those, you just don't know how much PA have invested in countering IAF's advantage and CBU-105 is not as accurate as it is hyped, I have posted its video on LY-80 thread go watch it there.

I hope PAF will hit IAF but you are banking on PA on the confidence of LY-80,Dont you think LY-80 will be taken out by sukhois/MIG before jaguar venture,and also said in previous post its only one option out of many.IA will operate in cover of IAF,can you have same confidence in PAF and you also will have to agree to win any war sky must be with you.