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I think Pakistan is clearly Exposed this time in front of whole world. No matter how much they deny anything but everything is clear to everyone now.
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I cannot help but remember the honor and prosperity speech of Kayani just two days before the US raid. Asking the country to choose honor over prosperity while as evidence communicates, he chose to shred the country's honor for the army's prosperity!!
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Even if such exposition costs the sovereignty of Pakistan?
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Pakistan is not worried about India.
In this raid, even when Pakistan detected four helicopters coming from Afghanistan -- almost certainly American -- what real option did they have? They couldn't really shoot them down and kill x number of American soldiers. When dealing with a superpower, your hands are really tied.
There will be no hesitation is responding if Indian helicopters detected doing the same.
How? Do you think that it was Zardari or Gilani who were ensuring the safe keeping of the guest of honor next to PMA? Or is he exposing the weakness of Zardari and Gilani in this intelligence failure by ISI? Or the fact that the US Seals got in and got out with the baggage even when the jets were still being scrambled? Or is he exposing Zardari and Gilani to be getting the largest share of the national budget and yet not having the slightest clue about the what is happening in the airspace over the cradle of the Pakistani army?
Or most importantly, is he exposing Zardari and Gilani to have been playing good taliban and bad taliban over the last years while over 30,000 pakistanis died in various acts of jannat seeking self annihilation?
Or is he exposing Zardari and Gilani to show that how in their quest and fixation over India and in the course of it, destroying Afganistan, they chose the worst kind of foreign policy and ended up having the ladens as the guests over dinner?
Kayani surely is a very smart guy, he could run for president and CEO (la musharraf) soon I am sure. Afterall he has been the single most successful individual in exposing Pakistan in its history!
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Who never knows....it could happen with mutual coordination (ISI & CIA).
I thnk its all done just to finish this war (War on Terror).
Reasons of all that Drama.
1) US Troops moivng bck from June 2011.
2) They have to show that War is over.
3) Satisfies the world abt the end of war and USA hav won that...
4) Y they chose area inside the Pakistan ......reason coz to show the world that there is no Al-Qaeda or terror in Afghanistan.
5) Obama will have to end up all this b4 new elections.
blah blah.
Its impossible that when Indian Aircrafts (flying low-altitude) attempted twice (in Dec 08- right after mumabi attacks) from different locations (Azad Kashmir - near Abtoabad and from Lahore) identified (from both ground and space), tracked and send back. but Now 4 choopers (not stealth) coming from otherside (Afghan Borders)......No one in the world knows, not the Forces on Border, PAF radars etc ....and they reached the cenral city (Abtabad) near to the same city (Azad Kashir) from where Indian Aircrafts were tracked from both ground and air. And this time they didnt
The only thing comes in mind is that Pakistan Forces knew all abt it.
And at the same time at 1:00 AM, President Zardari and PM Gillai had meetings with opposition for formation of new Ministery bodies.
Its all drama.
Where is Osama Body??
So plz dont only live with wt u see.
I thnk its all done just to finish this war (War on Terror).
Reasons of all that Drama.
1) US Troops moivng bck from June 2011.
2) They have to show that War is over.
3) Satisfies the world abt the end of war and USA hav won that...
4) Y they chose area inside the Pakistan ......reason coz to show the world that there is no Al-Qaeda or terror in Afghanistan.
5) Obama will have to end up all this b4 new elections.
blah blah.
Its impossible that when Indian Aircrafts (flying low-altitude) attempted twice (in Dec 08- right after mumabi attacks) from different locations (Azad Kashmir - near Abtoabad and from Lahore) identified (from both ground and space), tracked and send back. but Now 4 choopers (not stealth) coming from otherside (Afghan Borders)......No one in the world knows, not the Forces on Border, PAF radars etc ....and they reached the cenral city (Abtabad) near to the same city (Azad Kashir) from where Indian Aircrafts were tracked from both ground and air. And this time they didnt
The only thing comes in mind is that Pakistan Forces knew all abt it.
And at the same time at 1:00 AM, President Zardari and PM Gillai had meetings with opposition for formation of new Ministery bodies.
Its all drama.
Where is Osama Body??
So plz dont only live with wt u see.
Official reports say four helicopters were involved in the operation, without mention of any support equipment. This was a militarized border violation on a highly armed and alert nation, I find it very hard to believe that no additional aerial units were in play, especially without having weaponized aircraft flying with the convoy. The United States already has E-2 and E-3 AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control Systems) in the region. Seeing as the special forces had time to perform their mission without being engaged by Pakistani forces (located well within range to intercept), border radar must not have seen the formation illegally entering their airspace. Even using known levels of stealth technology, this likely required radar deception or jamming – most probably provided by an EA-6B or EA-18G flying in the Afghan airspace.
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Data found with Bin Laden will trap fanatics
By The Sun
Wed 04 May 2011, 07:40 CAT [530 Reads, 0 Comment(s)]
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A TREASURE trove of computers, hard drives and discs snatched by US Navy Seals from Osama Bin Laden's HQ could nail THOUSANDS of other terrorists.
US officials last night called it "the mother lode of intelligence".
The data could prove even more significant in crippling al-Qaeda than Sunday's execution of their warlord.
The existence of the huge haul was revealed as Pakistani intelligence bosses admitted they DID know where Bin Laden was hiding.
Special Forces troops grabbed five computers, ten hard drives and more than 100 computer memory devices, including DVDs and memory sticks, during the raid on Bin Laden's compound lair in Abbottabad.
Hundreds of agents were last night examining the material in Afghanistan.
A US intelligence official said spy bosses were "very excited". He added: "The Seals cleaned it out. Can you imagine what's on Osama Bin Laden's hard drive?"
John Brennan, White House senior adviser on counter-terrorism, confirmed: "We were able to acquire material.
"We're interested in insights into any terrorist plot that might be under way and leads to other individuals in the organisation and their capabilities."
It emerged that Bin Laden was cornered on the third floor of his base. Two of his couriers and a woman hit by cross-fire died with him.
Two top-ranking Pakistani intelligence officers told The Sun yesterday that they knew for several weeks that Bin Laden was at Abbottabad.
The men, who did not want their identities revealed, claimed they hoped to capture the al-Qaeda boss but the US beat them to it.
One, a commander in the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), said: "Bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad was discussed at the highest level. We were 100 per cent sure. We wanted to act before the US got their hands on him. Top bosses wanted us to wait."
An intelligence bureau director added: "We were getting close to that house weeks back. We had finalised he was in there. All the relevant authorities were told. We were waiting for a decision when the US acted."
Former ISI chief Lieutenant General Hamid Gul said he thought corrupt agency bosses were preparing to SELL the information to the US - or capture Bin Laden and grab the $25million bounty on his head.
Gul, 74, said: "The ISI and the government must have known everything."
President Asif Ali Zardari denied Pakistan "lacked vitality" in its fight against terrorism. And ISI officials said they handed information on the compound to the US.
But PM David Cameron warned that all the facts suggested Bin Laden had an "extensive support network" in Pakistan.
He said "searching questions" needed to be asked.
But he vowed that the UK would stand by "democratic Pakistan" and insisted a controversial £650million aid package he pledged last month would survive. Tory MP Philip Davies called the aid deal "an outrage".
A document released by WikiLeaks last week showed that Libyan terrorist Faraj al-Libi told US interrogators in 2008 that Bin Laden had a base in Abbottabad.
Can we have our ball back, Mr Bin Laden
CHILDREN would kick balls over Osama Bin Laden's garden wall and never get them back, neighbours revealed yesterday.
The al-Qaeda supremo was so terrified of being glimpsed - and his luxury hideout rumbled - he got his henchmen to pay the kids to get lost.
The going rate - including for cricket and tennis balls - was £2.50 a pop, according to locals in the well-heeled suburb where the monster, 54, was shot dead in his bolthole by US Special Forces.
One lad told how he twice hit his cricket ball over the 18ft walls of the mystery compound - little suspecting the world's most wanted man was holed up behind them.
Daniel Alvi, 16, dodged security to retrieve it BOTH times.
He said yesterday in the hill town of Abbottabad, which is 65 miles from Pakistan's capital: "I went over the wall on two occasions after I hit the ball over there.
"Luckily for me there was no one around. I think there was a $25million reward for Bin Laden - but I never imagined he was in there."
Ice cream vendor Tanvir Ahmed confirmed: "If a ball went into Bin Laden's compound the children would not be allowed to get it.
"They were given money instead. They were paid 100 to 150 rupees (£2.50) per ball."
The sprawling million-dollar hideaway is a far cry from the dank caves that Bin Laden's acolytes were led to believe he was skulking in. Yesterday it bore the scars of Sunday's sensational raid.
Walls and floors were blood-spattered. Among the debris a clock on the floor was stuck at 2.20am - when the elite US Navy Seals struck.
The remains of a Black Hawk helicopter blown up by the squad after it crashed into the compound with a fault was a twisted tangle of scorched metal. Bits were carried off by trophy-hunters.
A mechanic fixed Osama Bin Laden car 10 days ago
he crack troops escaped in three other choppers. They were in and out within 40 minutes - taking Bin Laden's corpse with them.
Duped al-Qaeda fanatics had long justified the hardships they were expected to endure with the thought their leader was surviving in stone-age conditions in the unforgiving mountains of Afghanistan.
In reality the secret three-storey residence was built for him across the border seven years ago - and he had spent at least half a decade relaxing there.
White House counter-terrorism chief John Brennan confirmed: "He was in this compound for the past five or six years."
Bin Laden never ventured out and kept away from windows while living the life of a cult leader surrounded by nine women - at least two of them his wives - and 23 kids.
Two other families lived alongside his own. The children - none of whom were injured in the US raid - were aged between three and eight, according to local tailor Siraj Ahmad, who was often asked to make clothes for them.
Zarar Ahmed, 12, told how he would visit the vast 38,000 sq ft compound to play with Bin Laden's kids. He said: "He had two wives. One spoke Arabic and the other Urdu. They had three children, a girl and two boys. They gave me two rabbits.
"They had installed a camera at the outer gate so they could see people before they entered the house."
The milkman only delivered to outside the security gate - and never rang the bell. Anyone daring to lean on the wall was warned to move on.
A woman medic once turned up to try to give the kids polio vaccines but was turned away - after commenting on the expensive SUVs she saw parked behind the walls that were topped with razor wire.
Farmer Mashood Khan, 45, said local gossip was that the occupants were "smugglers or drug dealers".
He added: "People would complain that even with such a big house they didn't invite the poor or distribute charity."
Shopkeepers told how the youngsters would be sent to fetch provisions with two of the terror chief's henchmen - both of whom are believed to have been killed. One was named locally as Arshad Khan - who local cops claimed was the registered owner of the property. Records indicated the name was an alias.
Shopkeeper Raja Shuja said of the two men: "They were always in a hurry and never stopped for chit chat. Their car was always shining, not necessarily brand new but kept very clean.
"They used to always come for snacks and buy litre bottles of Coke, crisps and ice lollies when it was warm. They always paid with fresh hundred rupee notes.
"I remember they once said they had to go and pay some bills - so they must have been in charge of jobs like that. One was about 33 and the other maybe 36."
Mechanic Wajid Mushtaq, 29, who serviced their red Suzuki car, told how both were gruff-voiced and heavy smokers. He said: "I'm sure they were cousins. The last time I saw them was about ten days ago over a dent in the car.
"Sometimes there would be four or five children in the back seat. They were always polite kids."
The compound boasted an arsenal of weapons and ammo, including rocket launchers. Alongside were toys such as bikes, a smashed red pedal car and a dolls house.
Bin Laden's youngest wife, 27-year-old Amad Ahmed al-Sadah, was at first thought to have been killed as he tried to flee using her as a human shield. Yesterday it emerged she suffered only a leg wound.
Pakistani officials said of those who had been living in the compound: "They are all in safe hands and being looked after in accordance with the law.
"Some need medical care and are under treatment in the best possible facilities. As per policy, they will be handed over to their countries of origin.
Data found with Bin Laden will trap fanatics
By The Sun
Wed 04 May 2011, 07:40 CAT [530 Reads, 0 Comment(s)]
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A TREASURE trove of computers, hard drives and discs snatched by US Navy Seals from Osama Bin Laden's HQ could nail THOUSANDS of other terrorists.
US officials last night called it "the mother lode of intelligence".
The data could prove even more significant in crippling al-Qaeda than Sunday's execution of their warlord.
The existence of the huge haul was revealed as Pakistani intelligence bosses admitted they DID know where Bin Laden was hiding.
Special Forces troops grabbed five computers, ten hard drives and more than 100 computer memory devices, including DVDs and memory sticks, during the raid on Bin Laden's compound lair in Abbottabad.
Hundreds of agents were last night examining the material in Afghanistan.
A US intelligence official said spy bosses were "very excited". He added: "The Seals cleaned it out. Can you imagine what's on Osama Bin Laden's hard drive?"
John Brennan, White House senior adviser on counter-terrorism, confirmed: "We were able to acquire material.
"We're interested in insights into any terrorist plot that might be under way and leads to other individuals in the organisation and their capabilities."
It emerged that Bin Laden was cornered on the third floor of his base. Two of his couriers and a woman hit by cross-fire died with him.
Two top-ranking Pakistani intelligence officers told The Sun yesterday that they knew for several weeks that Bin Laden was at Abbottabad.
The men, who did not want their identities revealed, claimed they hoped to capture the al-Qaeda boss but the US beat them to it.
One, a commander in the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), said: "Bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad was discussed at the highest level. We were 100 per cent sure. We wanted to act before the US got their hands on him. Top bosses wanted us to wait."
An intelligence bureau director added: "We were getting close to that house weeks back. We had finalised he was in there. All the relevant authorities were told. We were waiting for a decision when the US acted."
Former ISI chief Lieutenant General Hamid Gul said he thought corrupt agency bosses were preparing to SELL the information to the US - or capture Bin Laden and grab the $25million bounty on his head.
Gul, 74, said: "The ISI and the government must have known everything."
President Asif Ali Zardari denied Pakistan "lacked vitality" in its fight against terrorism. And ISI officials said they handed information on the compound to the US.
But PM David Cameron warned that all the facts suggested Bin Laden had an "extensive support network" in Pakistan.
He said "searching questions" needed to be asked.
But he vowed that the UK would stand by "democratic Pakistan" and insisted a controversial £650million aid package he pledged last month would survive. Tory MP Philip Davies called the aid deal "an outrage".
A document released by WikiLeaks last week showed that Libyan terrorist Faraj al-Libi told US interrogators in 2008 that Bin Laden had a base in Abbottabad.
Can we have our ball back, Mr Bin Laden
CHILDREN would kick balls over Osama Bin Laden's garden wall and never get them back, neighbours revealed yesterday.
The al-Qaeda supremo was so terrified of being glimpsed - and his luxury hideout rumbled - he got his henchmen to pay the kids to get lost.
The going rate - including for cricket and tennis balls - was £2.50 a pop, according to locals in the well-heeled suburb where the monster, 54, was shot dead in his bolthole by US Special Forces.
One lad told how he twice hit his cricket ball over the 18ft walls of the mystery compound - little suspecting the world's most wanted man was holed up behind them.
Daniel Alvi, 16, dodged security to retrieve it BOTH times.
He said yesterday in the hill town of Abbottabad, which is 65 miles from Pakistan's capital: "I went over the wall on two occasions after I hit the ball over there.
"Luckily for me there was no one around. I think there was a $25million reward for Bin Laden - but I never imagined he was in there."
Ice cream vendor Tanvir Ahmed confirmed: "If a ball went into Bin Laden's compound the children would not be allowed to get it.
"They were given money instead. They were paid 100 to 150 rupees (£2.50) per ball."
The sprawling million-dollar hideaway is a far cry from the dank caves that Bin Laden's acolytes were led to believe he was skulking in. Yesterday it bore the scars of Sunday's sensational raid.
Walls and floors were blood-spattered. Among the debris a clock on the floor was stuck at 2.20am - when the elite US Navy Seals struck.
The remains of a Black Hawk helicopter blown up by the squad after it crashed into the compound with a fault was a twisted tangle of scorched metal. Bits were carried off by trophy-hunters.
A mechanic fixed Osama Bin Laden car 10 days ago
he crack troops escaped in three other choppers. They were in and out within 40 minutes - taking Bin Laden's corpse with them.
Duped al-Qaeda fanatics had long justified the hardships they were expected to endure with the thought their leader was surviving in stone-age conditions in the unforgiving mountains of Afghanistan.
In reality the secret three-storey residence was built for him across the border seven years ago - and he had spent at least half a decade relaxing there.
White House counter-terrorism chief John Brennan confirmed: "He was in this compound for the past five or six years."
Bin Laden never ventured out and kept away from windows while living the life of a cult leader surrounded by nine women - at least two of them his wives - and 23 kids.
Two other families lived alongside his own. The children - none of whom were injured in the US raid - were aged between three and eight, according to local tailor Siraj Ahmad, who was often asked to make clothes for them.
Zarar Ahmed, 12, told how he would visit the vast 38,000 sq ft compound to play with Bin Laden's kids. He said: "He had two wives. One spoke Arabic and the other Urdu. They had three children, a girl and two boys. They gave me two rabbits.
"They had installed a camera at the outer gate so they could see people before they entered the house."
The milkman only delivered to outside the security gate - and never rang the bell. Anyone daring to lean on the wall was warned to move on.
A woman medic once turned up to try to give the kids polio vaccines but was turned away - after commenting on the expensive SUVs she saw parked behind the walls that were topped with razor wire.
Farmer Mashood Khan, 45, said local gossip was that the occupants were "smugglers or drug dealers".
He added: "People would complain that even with such a big house they didn't invite the poor or distribute charity."
Shopkeepers told how the youngsters would be sent to fetch provisions with two of the terror chief's henchmen - both of whom are believed to have been killed. One was named locally as Arshad Khan - who local cops claimed was the registered owner of the property. Records indicated the name was an alias.
Shopkeeper Raja Shuja said of the two men: "They were always in a hurry and never stopped for chit chat. Their car was always shining, not necessarily brand new but kept very clean.
"They used to always come for snacks and buy litre bottles of Coke, crisps and ice lollies when it was warm. They always paid with fresh hundred rupee notes.
"I remember they once said they had to go and pay some bills - so they must have been in charge of jobs like that. One was about 33 and the other maybe 36."
Mechanic Wajid Mushtaq, 29, who serviced their red Suzuki car, told how both were gruff-voiced and heavy smokers. He said: "I'm sure they were cousins. The last time I saw them was about ten days ago over a dent in the car.
"Sometimes there would be four or five children in the back seat. They were always polite kids."
The compound boasted an arsenal of weapons and ammo, including rocket launchers. Alongside were toys such as bikes, a smashed red pedal car and a dolls house.
Bin Laden's youngest wife, 27-year-old Amad Ahmed al-Sadah, was at first thought to have been killed as he tried to flee using her as a human shield. Yesterday it emerged she suffered only a leg wound.
Pakistani officials said of those who had been living in the compound: "They are all in safe hands and being looked after in accordance with the law.
"Some need medical care and are under treatment in the best possible facilities. As per policy, they will be handed over to their countries of origin.
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Osama Bin Laden killed in Abbotabad near Islamabad of Pakistan
ISLAMABAD, May 2 (Xinhua) -- Pakistani Urdu TV channel Geo News quoted Pakistani intelligence officials as saying that the world's most wanted terrorist Osama Bin Laden was killed in a search operation launched by the Pakistani forces after a Pakistani army helicopter was shot down in the wee hours of Monday in Abbotabad, a mountainous town located some 60 kilometers north of Pakistan's capital city of Islamabad.
At about 1:20 a.m. local time a Pakistani helicopter was shot down by unknown people in the Sikandarabad area of Abbotabad. The Pakistani forces launched a search operation in the nearby area and encountered with a group of unknown armed people. A fire exchange followed between the two sides.
When the fire exchange ended, the Pakistani forces arrested some Arab women and kids as well some other armed people who later confessed to the Pakistani forces they were with Osama Bin laden when the fire was exchanged and Bin Laden was killed in the firing.
Local media reported that after the dead body of Bin Laden was recovered, two U.S. helicopter flew to the site and carried away the dead body of Bin Laden.
Initial reports said that at least one was killed and two others were injured in the crash. At least two houses were engulfed by the huge fire caused by the crashed chopper.
Rescue team rushed to the site shortly after the crash was reported and the armed forces cordoned off the area and launched a search operation there.
Sources of Xinhua said they tried to enter the area after the incident took place, but no media people were allowed inside.
"No one knows in that helicopter crash Bin Laden was killed," said the sources.
Editor: Yang Lina
the FIR.. The Myth.. The confusion..
ISLAMABAD, May 2 (Xinhua) -- Pakistani Urdu TV channel Geo News quoted Pakistani intelligence officials as saying that the world's most wanted terrorist Osama Bin Laden was killed in a search operation launched by the Pakistani forces after a Pakistani army helicopter was shot down in the wee hours of Monday in Abbotabad, a mountainous town located some 60 kilometers north of Pakistan's capital city of Islamabad.
At about 1:20 a.m. local time a Pakistani helicopter was shot down by unknown people in the Sikandarabad area of Abbotabad. The Pakistani forces launched a search operation in the nearby area and encountered with a group of unknown armed people. A fire exchange followed between the two sides.
When the fire exchange ended, the Pakistani forces arrested some Arab women and kids as well some other armed people who later confessed to the Pakistani forces they were with Osama Bin laden when the fire was exchanged and Bin Laden was killed in the firing.
Local media reported that after the dead body of Bin Laden was recovered, two U.S. helicopter flew to the site and carried away the dead body of Bin Laden.
Initial reports said that at least one was killed and two others were injured in the crash. At least two houses were engulfed by the huge fire caused by the crashed chopper.
Rescue team rushed to the site shortly after the crash was reported and the armed forces cordoned off the area and launched a search operation there.
Sources of Xinhua said they tried to enter the area after the incident took place, but no media people were allowed inside.
"No one knows in that helicopter crash Bin Laden was killed," said the sources.
Editor: Yang Lina
the FIR.. The Myth.. The confusion..
Sure, it is quite possible that this was a joint ops between CIA and ISI to ensure that today Pakistan army and ISI and hence Pakistan arrive in this situation of break wind silence.
You have a very promising line of logic going there. It is worth developing more.
To an untrained eye,wreckage of a helicopter, may look like a typical horizontal stabilizer (sideways tail rotor) but for the trained eyes those wreckage looks nothing like the stabilizer systems used on blackhawks- UH-60A
Surely some modifications would be made to increase stealth capabilities/reduce sound, as spinning blades are hard to hide from anti-aircraft sensors. Even if that is the purpose of that cap over top of the rotor machinery in the crash pic, the base of the horizontal stabilizer still looks nothing like any known version of the blackhawk. Incredibly, most of the exterior components seem to be forged of carbon composite – note the lack of bolts/rivets.
This raises two possibilities, both of which would make this the first public sighting of a classified piece of technology-
1. This is some new, highly modified stealth version of what was initially a blackhawk.
Or
2. This is a totally new stealth aircraft.
Regardless, it seems pretty obvious now why the US forces made the decision to obliterate the vehicle versus letting it fall into the hands of prying eyes. Even if they got it back, any attempt to completely silence every Pakistani soldier and citizen to wander around the compound would be foolhardy.
Surely some modifications would be made to increase stealth capabilities/reduce sound, as spinning blades are hard to hide from anti-aircraft sensors. Even if that is the purpose of that cap over top of the rotor machinery in the crash pic, the base of the horizontal stabilizer still looks nothing like any known version of the blackhawk. Incredibly, most of the exterior components seem to be forged of carbon composite – note the lack of bolts/rivets.
This raises two possibilities, both of which would make this the first public sighting of a classified piece of technology-
1. This is some new, highly modified stealth version of what was initially a blackhawk.
Or
2. This is a totally new stealth aircraft.
Regardless, it seems pretty obvious now why the US forces made the decision to obliterate the vehicle versus letting it fall into the hands of prying eyes. Even if they got it back, any attempt to completely silence every Pakistani soldier and citizen to wander around the compound would be foolhardy.
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