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North Waziristan: What happened after militants lost the battle?
By Owen Bennett-JonesBBC News, North Waziristan
  • 8 March 2017
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Image captionPakistani troops cleared militants from North Waziristan in a long, bloody campaign
For over a decade the inaccessible and mountainous tribal area of North Waziristan was home to a swirling array of violent jihadists.

The Pakistan and Afghan Taliban movements, al-Qaeda and less well-known militant outfits such as the Haqqani Network used the area to hold hostages, train militants, store weapons and deploy suicide bombers to attack targets in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Today the militants have gone. Virtually the whole of North Waziristan is in Pakistani army hands.

The army believes the defeat of the militants was one of the most successful anti-jihadist campaigns the world has yet seen. In two years of fighting the army lost 872 men and believes it killed over 2,000 militants.

"Before 2014 North Waziristan was a hub of terrorist activities," said General Hassan Azhar Hayat, who commands 30,000 men in North Waziristan. After the army moved in "those who resisted were fought in these areas… the complete agency was cleared".

But many militants managed to escape, slipping across the border to eastern Afghanistan to fight another day. Many are now operating there with impunity, some helping the Afghan Taliban in its battle against the government in Kabul while others attack targets in Pakistan.

The latest group to establish itself in the area is Islamic State, although the degree of control exercised by Iraq-based Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi over his supporters in Afghanistan is unclear.

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When the jihadists fled North Waziristan they left behind the apparatus that had helped keep their movement in power.

Pakistani army officers today jokingly refer to one village, that was home to many senior militant commanders, as the Taliban's Pentagon, and they describe another where militants were trained as the Taliban Sandhurst.

As they moved across North Waziristan, the army found prisons, a media centre hidden under a mosque, bomb-proof tunnels and a huge roadside bomb factory.

With hundreds of bags of fertiliser and large blue plastic vats filled with foaming chemicals, the facility turned out thousands of bombs that were used all over Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The closure of the roadside bomb factory, and others like it, has made a difference. Last year there were 441 violent jihadist attacks in Pakistan. That compares with 2,586 attacks in 2009.

Across North Waziristan as a whole the army found 310 tons of explosives and more than two million rounds of ammunition.

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Image captionTroops found a sophisticated military set-up in North Waziristan, including bomb factories
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Image captionThese bomb factories made devices for use in terror attacks across the nation
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For many years, when it was accused of offering sanctuaries to the Afghan Taliban, Islamabad used to argue that it was unable to prevent militants moving into Afghanistan to launch attacks.

It was impossible, Islamabad said, to control such a long, remote and porous border over which villagers with relatives in both countries moved freely.

But now it is faced with the mirror situation - Afghan-based militants carrying out attacks in Pakistan and the army trying to control the border. The army says more than 1,000 forts have been built and sophisticated American radar equipment installed to monitor cross border movements.

The situation at the border is complicated by the fact that, while Pakistan considers it to be a legitimate international border, Afghanistan has never accepted it as such.

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Image captionPakistan keeps a major military presence in North Waziristan and along the border with Afghanistan
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Image captionSome of those who fled North Waziristan at the height of the unrest are now starting to return
The battle for North Waziristan - like those for Mosul and Aleppo - has left widespread destruction. Many homes have been reduced to rubble. There are whole villages where no building has a roof on it.

"When we came back we faced the problem of no electricity and water," said Saifur Rahman, who spent several months living in the nearby town of Bannu during the worst of the fighting between the army and the militants.

But he had been determined to return. "This is our land. We love it and I don't care if the facilities aren't there. I will still come back."


The army is now building infrastructure to tempt people to return. As well as new roads, there are brand new schools with facilities that rival anything on offer elsewhere in Pakistan.

One of the recently constructed and very well equipped schools just outside Miranshah is currently completely empty but has places for 1,000 children when the families decide to return.


Jihadist violence is not over in Pakistan. The state is not moving against some of the militant groups that concentrate their activities in Kashmir, Afghanistan and India. And Afghan-based militants from the Pakistani Taliban and other groups remain a potent force.

A recent attack on a Sufi shrine in the province of Sindh killed over 80 people. Police in Karachi say they believe the attack was organised by Afghan-based militants.

But for all their latent power, the militants in North Waziristan have been repulsed from their stronghold and the tribesmen are gradually returning to resume lives disrupted by conflict.
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Can anyone explain that why did not Pak military bombed the taliban pentagon earlier using jets and taking out the whole terrorist leadership in one go and virtually ending the war when they knew about the so called taliban pentagon??
 
But now it is faced with the mirror situation - Afghan-based militants carrying out attacks in Pakistan and the army trying to control the border. The army says more than 1,000 forts have been built and sophisticated American radar equipment installed to monitor cross border movements.

Its high time that both India and Afghanistan stop nurturing like of JA or TTP as things would go hard on them very soon and same has been exhibited by almost back to back attacks in India and Afghanistan in span of just two days by the affiliates of "Goons in Black". Keep nurturing them against Pakistan and U are bound to taste the consequences very soon.
 
Can anyone explain that why did not Pak military bombed the taliban pentagon earlier using jets and taking out the whole terrorist leadership in one go and virtually ending the war when they knew about the so called taliban pentagon??
We cant bomb Women and Children.
It had ti be cleared by Ground forces like this. Bombing a Village is not some we can do or afford
 
Can anyone explain that why did not Pak military bombed the taliban pentagon earlier using jets and taking out the whole terrorist leadership in one go and virtually ending the war when they knew about the so called taliban pentagon??

Because the terrorists keep their 3 dozen wives and 29 dozen children with them wherever they go so if there is such an attack they can parade the dead bodies around and play politics on them and cry about their human rights.
 
Now its time for us to Fence the border with auto HMGs and Ground Radars ,,,,, and make sure we add mines and trench with this.
And we need to have more UCAVs heavy like CH-5 , and we also need to have more Helllis , perfect time for quitter and stealthier Z10s , and we also need to arm our K-8 with some good weapon systems.
FC is more then enough with proper eqm , we can have some LCB of Army to help them...........
We still can enjoy our brother hood or whatever after properly sealing our border............... Its time for proper action................................................................
Action not only on borders but in whole Pakistan............ Clean all NGOs, Madrassa , Unisssss, Govt Sector and every way of life ............ War is on its last stage , Its now or never .............
 
Can anyone explain that why did not Pak military bombed the taliban pentagon earlier using jets and taking out the whole terrorist leadership in one go and virtually ending the war when they knew about the so called taliban pentagon??
Ask this to the political leaderships who were busy in negotiation and spreading fare of mass destruction into the public mind.
 
I like the way PA cleared this mess without any showoff , No human right violation at all everything was done silently and effectively ... Well done Pakistan army ..
 
We cant bomb Women and Children.
It had ti be cleared by Ground forces like this. Bombing a Village is not some we can do or afford
Absolutely right! No population areas can be bombed with blind eyes. The mistakes committed by Gen. Tikka Khan in the former East Pakistan and Gen. Naseerullah Baber can aggravate situations to very uncontrollable extent. The inadequate actions of Tikka and Naseerullah Baber boosted the undue popularity of Mukti Bahani and MQM.

I like the way PA cleared this mess without any showoff , No human right violation at all everything was done silently and effectively ... Well done Pakistan army ..
Undoubtedly, the operation was performed very adequately.

Because the terrorists keep their 3 dozen wives and 29 dozen children with them wherever they go so if there is such an attack they can parade the dead bodies around and play politics on them and cry about their human rights.
Absolutely right! Inadequate actions always worsen situations. The method of PA's operation was very adequate.
 
Which radar is being used?
Blighter Unveils Rapid Deployment Radar/Camera System for Border Security Hot Spots
Blighter Scout is designed for vehicle or trailer mast deployment and enables detection and tracking of targets - humans at 7.4 km, vehicles at 22 km - in hilly and mountainous areas due to radar's unique PESA technology and its 20 to 40 degree elevation beam coverage; new product to be unveiled at Eurosatory in Paris, France on 16-20 June.


Monitoring of Border Incursions
The Blighter radar uses its 'Vortex Fast-Scan' technology to electronically scan the border considerably faster than traditional GSRs. A suitably configured Blighter radar can scan 360° in one second with full Doppler processing. This provides rapid position updates to the operators. Also the Blighter radar uses its Doppler signal processing and an integrated plot extractor to detect movement the instant it occurs, unlike traditional radars which need multiple scans before outputting a target. Moving target plots are output within a fraction of a scan to minimise the latency between detecting and responding to the intruder. This ensures that electro-optic systems point at the intruders and update frequently to follow the movements of the intruder.

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Blighter Scout system mounted on a 4x4 pickup truck (PRNewsFoto/Blighter Surveillance Systems)

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Blighter Scout rapid deployment lightweight e-scan radar and camera
surveillance system (PRNewsFoto/Blighter Surveillance Systems)


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It's UK Product but i'm sure US radars wouldn't be much different...other knowledgeable Folks can shed some light on the topic @Quwa @Bilal Khan (Quwa)


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History
The first aerostats were assigned to the United States Air Force in December 1980 at Cudjoe Key, Fla. During the 1980s, the U.S. Customs Service operated a network of aerostats to help counter illegal drug trafficking. Their first site was built at High Rock, Grand Bahamas Island, in 1984. The second site was built at Fort Huachuca, Ariz., in 1986. Before 1992, three agencies operated the TARS network: the Air Force, U.S. Customs Service and U.S. Coast Guard. Congress in 1992 transferred management of the system to the Defense Department, with the Air Force as executive agent. Under Air Force management, through contract consolidation and system standardization, the operations and maintenance cost per site was reduced from $6 million in fiscal year 1992 to $3.5 million in 2007.However the Budget Control Act of 2011 slashed funding for the Air Force, which tried to shut down the project. However, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) assumed responsibility the Tethered Aerostat Radar System (TARS) project and its funding since fiscal year 2014.

Mission
The primary mission is to provide low-level radar surveillance along the southwest border of the United States and Mexico, the Straits of Florida and the Caribbean in support of federal agencies involved in the nation's drug interdiction program. The secondary mission is to provide North American Aerospace Defense Command with low-level surveillance coverage for air sovereignty in the Florida Straits. The aerostat radar data is available to NORAD and U.S. Customs and Border Protection.


Technical and operational data

TARS aerostat near Marfa, TX


Primary Function:
Low-level, downward-looking radar; aircraft detection

Volume: 275,000 and 420,000 cubic feet (12,000 m3)

Tether Length: 25,000 feet (7,600 m)

Payload Weight: 1,200-2,200 pounds

Maximum Detection Range: 200 nautical miles (400 km)

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Placed along the Mexican Border..


U.S. Customs and Border Protection, a lot of useful information is available on the LINK You should check it out...
 
The army believes the defeat of the militants was one of the most successful anti-jihadist campaigns the world has yet seen. In two years of fighting the army lost 872 men and believes it killed over 2,000 militants.
Very high casualties for a counter insurgency operation.
 
Very high casualties for a counter insurgency operation.
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This is the terrain that they were fighting in. And they were fighting against hardcore militants many of whom have decades of experience fighting Russians, Indians and NATO forces. They numbered between 15 and 25 thousand. And they were very well equipped. They were motivated to the extent that suicide attacks were their preferred mode of attack. But they have been beaten back and the whole area is clear of their presence.

Now let's take your operation Green Hunt for example. You were up against hardly 8000 militants. Whose fighting experience was not even close to what Talis had. Who were not armed to teeth like the talis and terrain(Jungle) while difficult was not as deadly as either of the two Waziristans. While motivated, Maoists don't opt for suicide attacks. The operation was launched in 2009, you have lost around 600 personnel, killed around 500 Maoists and the red corridor still exists.

So yeah, stop trying to be a smart ***.
 
Fencing Boarders or Killing People will not work for long Run as people will keep converting to Militants and Terrorists due to poverty and illiteracy/ignorance about Islam and in general.

The best way to move positively in this direction was the Plan of Establishing Beneficiation plants of the Copper/Gold Ore Mines in NWA and SWA. An old estimate of 35 Million Ton of copper was available in NWA Boya (Muhammad Khail Area) where as new information sources declare that in North and South Waziristan there is 63 Trillion Tons of Copper.

Since FWO has acquired lease of the area and occupy it now with their Heavy Machinery they should ensure to establish Factories and Facilities with Indigenous Labor and Provide Institutional education/qualification to other locals to fulfill the managerial and Technical human capital resources of the area to run these facilities rather then inducting from other Parts of Pakistan.

The Project is already considered highly profitable and if the Government of Pakistan and Army combine efforts they can give the area a hope for their indigenous survival and people who has nothing to do except to chose militants / terrorists as career will have better opportunities to feed, educate and be part of National growth.

Secondly The decision to make FATA part of KP is unjust and will fire back in a new disaster. This Area should have been incorporated with Islamabad under governor rule for 5 years till the time a Local body election on street level was held for selection of individuals known to Locals for their representation. Once a local body was formed based on the choice of Locals a government could be formed which could decide who they want to Join (Islamabad, KP or Punjab)

Including FATA in KP means following New Problems as in minds of Locals of the area
1- All the Mineral Resources of that Area will be of no benefit to the Locals of Area.
2- They will be ruled by KP Administration whom the locals have fought for years due to social differences.
3- Their social and economical conditions will not improve and any income generated from the resources of that area will be spent on Provencal Capital Peshawar and other Major Cities rather then FATA.

There was another thought of Making a new Provence from this Land however it was not feasible under current circumstances as there are too few local man power resources from the local area to govern a Provence and utilize local resources to maximum for local benefit.

Steps Required to make things better
1- Make Economy Better (Create Opportunities for locals in their Areas for sustainable respectable life)
2- Education
3- Removing Iranian Influence from that Area (Iran has silently created great influence on religious educational centers in some parts which will create more problems in future)
4- Taking care of All foreign influence including Chines to ensure that Locals get the first right to growth (since they have suffered for very long already, we all know what FCR40 law is)

Long live Pakistan
Allah Bless Pakistan
 

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