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Seoul:, July 04, 2017 07:56 IST
Updated: July 04, 2017 12:42 IST

The launch is the latest in a series of provocations that have ratcheted up tensions over the nuclear-armed North's weapons ambitions

SEOUL: North Korea claimed to have tested its first intercontinental ballistic missile in a launch ON Tuesday, a potential game-changing development in its push to militarily challenge Washington but a declaration that conflicts with earlier South Korean and U.S. assessments that it had an intermediate range.

The North has previously conducted satellite launches that critics say were disguised tests of its long-range missile technology. But a test-launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile, if confirmed, would be a major step forward in developing a nuclear-armed missile that can reach anywhere in the United States.

Still, the launch appeared to be the North’s most successful missile test yet, a weapon analyst said could be powerful enough to reach Alaska.

The launch seems designed to send a political warning to Washington and its chief Asian allies, Seoul and Tokyo, even as it allows North Korean scientists a chance to perfect their still-incomplete nuclear missile program. It came on the eve of the U.S. Independence Day holiday, days after the first face-to-face meeting of the leaders of South Korea and the United States, and ahead of a global summit of the world’s richest economies.

U.S., South Korean and Japanese officials say the missile fired from North Phyongan province, in the North’s western region, flew for about 40 minutes and reached an altitude of 2,500 kM, which would be longer and higher than any other similar tests previously reported. It also covered a distance of about 930 kM. South Korean analysts said it was likely that it was a retest of one of two intermediate-range missiles launched earlier this year.

Once U.S. missile scientist, David Wright, estimated that the missile, if the reported time and distance are correct, would have been on a very highly lofted trajectory and could have a possible maximum range of 6,700 km, which could put Alaska in its range, if fired at a normal trajectory.

North Korea has a reliable arsenal of shorter-range missiles, but is still trying to perfect its longer-range missiles. Some analysts believe North Korea has the technology to arm its short-range missiles with nuclear warheads, but it’s unclear if it has mastered the technology needed to build an atomic bomb that can fit on a long-range missile.

Soon after the morning launch, President Donald Trump responded on Twitter- “North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life? Hard to believe that South Korea and Japan will put up with this much longer. Perhaps China will put a heavy move on North Korea and end this nonsense once and for all!”

“This guy” presumably refers to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. China is North Korea’s economic lifeline and only major ally, and the Trump administration is pushing Beijing to do more to push the North toward disarmament.

Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga suggested the altitude of this missile might have been higher than earlier tests. He did not give further details, including the distance of the flight and where in Japan’s exclusive economic zone in the Sea of Japan the missile landed.

Just last week South Korean President Moon Jae-in and Mr. Trump met for the first time and vowed to oppose North Korea’s development of atomic weapons.

Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe sharply criticized North Korea for the launch. “The latest launch clearly showed that the threat is growing,” Mr. Abe said.

Mr. Abe, who talked by phone with Mr. Trump on Monday, said the two leaders plan to seek cooperation from world leaders when they attend a G20 summit in Germany.

Lee Illwoo, a Seoul-based military commentator, said the missile traveled for a far longer period of time than if it would have been fired at a normal angle. A North Korean scud-type missile, with a range of 800—900 km, would land in its target site within 10 minutes if fired at a standard angle of 45 degrees. Mr. Lee said it’s likely that North Korea fired either Hwasong—12 missile or a solid—fuel Pukguksong—2, both of which were tested in May.

On May 14, North Korea launched the Hwasong—12 missile, which its state media later said flew as high as 2,111 km and landed in a targeted area in the ocean about 787 km from the launch site. On May 21, North Korea also tested the Pukguksong—2, which traveled about 500 km.

China’s U.N. ambassador, Liu Jieyi, warned on Monday that further escalation of already high tensions with North Korea risks getting out of control, “and the consequences would be disastrous.”

The Korean Peninsula has been divided since before the 1950—53 Korean War. Almost 30,000 U.S. troops are stationed in South Korea.

Tuesday’s launch is the first by the North since a June 8 test of a new type of cruise missile that Pyongyang says is capable of striking U.S. and South Korean warships “at will.”

Since taking office on May 10, Mr. Moon has tried to improve strained ties with North Korea, but the North has continued its missile tests. Pyongyang says it needs nuclear weapons and powerful missiles to cope with what it calls rising U.S. military threats.
 
http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...hs-military/article19208367.ece?homepage=true


Seoul:, July 04, 2017 07:56 IST
Updated: July 04, 2017 12:42 IST

The launch is the latest in a series of provocations that have ratcheted up tensions over the nuclear-armed North's weapons ambitions

SEOUL: North Korea claimed to have tested its first intercontinental ballistic missile in a launch ON Tuesday, a potential game-changing development in its push to militarily challenge Washington but a declaration that conflicts with earlier South Korean and U.S. assessments that it had an intermediate range.

The North has previously conducted satellite launches that critics say were disguised tests of its long-range missile technology. But a test-launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile, if confirmed, would be a major step forward in developing a nuclear-armed missile that can reach anywhere in the United States.

Still, the launch appeared to be the North’s most successful missile test yet, a weapon analyst said could be powerful enough to reach Alaska.

The launch seems designed to send a political warning to Washington and its chief Asian allies, Seoul and Tokyo, even as it allows North Korean scientists a chance to perfect their still-incomplete nuclear missile program. It came on the eve of the U.S. Independence Day holiday, days after the first face-to-face meeting of the leaders of South Korea and the United States, and ahead of a global summit of the world’s richest economies.

U.S., South Korean and Japanese officials say the missile fired from North Phyongan province, in the North’s western region, flew for about 40 minutes and reached an altitude of 2,500 kM, which would be longer and higher than any other similar tests previously reported. It also covered a distance of about 930 kM. South Korean analysts said it was likely that it was a retest of one of two intermediate-range missiles launched earlier this year.

Once U.S. missile scientist, David Wright, estimated that the missile, if the reported time and distance are correct, would have been on a very highly lofted trajectory and could have a possible maximum range of 6,700 km, which could put Alaska in its range, if fired at a normal trajectory.

North Korea has a reliable arsenal of shorter-range missiles, but is still trying to perfect its longer-range missiles. Some analysts believe North Korea has the technology to arm its short-range missiles with nuclear warheads, but it’s unclear if it has mastered the technology needed to build an atomic bomb that can fit on a long-range missile.

Soon after the morning launch, President Donald Trump responded on Twitter- “North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life? Hard to believe that South Korea and Japan will put up with this much longer. Perhaps China will put a heavy move on North Korea and end this nonsense once and for all!”

“This guy” presumably refers to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. China is North Korea’s economic lifeline and only major ally, and the Trump administration is pushing Beijing to do more to push the North toward disarmament.

Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga suggested the altitude of this missile might have been higher than earlier tests. He did not give further details, including the distance of the flight and where in Japan’s exclusive economic zone in the Sea of Japan the missile landed.

Just last week South Korean President Moon Jae-in and Mr. Trump met for the first time and vowed to oppose North Korea’s development of atomic weapons.

Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe sharply criticized North Korea for the launch. “The latest launch clearly showed that the threat is growing,” Mr. Abe said.

Mr. Abe, who talked by phone with Mr. Trump on Monday, said the two leaders plan to seek cooperation from world leaders when they attend a G20 summit in Germany.

Lee Illwoo, a Seoul-based military commentator, said the missile traveled for a far longer period of time than if it would have been fired at a normal angle. A North Korean scud-type missile, with a range of 800—900 km, would land in its target site within 10 minutes if fired at a standard angle of 45 degrees. Mr. Lee said it’s likely that North Korea fired either Hwasong—12 missile or a solid—fuel Pukguksong—2, both of which were tested in May.

On May 14, North Korea launched the Hwasong—12 missile, which its state media later said flew as high as 2,111 km and landed in a targeted area in the ocean about 787 km from the launch site. On May 21, North Korea also tested the Pukguksong—2, which traveled about 500 km.

China’s U.N. ambassador, Liu Jieyi, warned on Monday that further escalation of already high tensions with North Korea risks getting out of control, “and the consequences would be disastrous.”

The Korean Peninsula has been divided since before the 1950—53 Korean War. Almost 30,000 U.S. troops are stationed in South Korea.

Tuesday’s launch is the first by the North since a June 8 test of a new type of cruise missile that Pyongyang says is capable of striking U.S. and South Korean warships “at will.”

Since taking office on May 10, Mr. Moon has tried to improve strained ties with North Korea, but the North has continued its missile tests. Pyongyang says it needs nuclear weapons and powerful missiles to cope with what it calls rising U.S. military threats.
Congrats DPRK.... It is a great achievement.
 
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politics/north-korea-missile-ready-nuclear-weapons/index.html

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump issued an extraordinary ultimatum to North Korea on Tuesday warning Pyongyang not to make any more threats against the United States or they will "face fire and fury like the world has never seen," during a photo op at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," he said.
Trump's harsh words come as US intelligence analysts have assessed that North Korea has produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead, according to multiple sources familiar with the analysis of North Korea's missile and nuclear program.

... read more at website address listed at the start of this forum thread

i hope diplomacy (and next-generation sanctions arrangements) prevail like they have many times in the past.
 
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US PRESIDENT Donald Trump has issued an apocalyptic warning of “fire and fury like the world has never seen” after reports North Korea has produced a missile-ready nuke.


US officials reportedly said the Pyongyang regime has successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles.

If true, the development means the rogue state has crossed a key threshold on the path to becoming a fully-fledged nuclear power. It also means it is potentially capable of packing the weapon of mass destruction inside an intercontinental ballistic missile.

The claims were made in the Washington Post , citing a confidential assessment by the US Defense Intelligence Agency.

The revelation comes a day after North Korea said it would launch “thousands-fold” revenge against the US over the adoption of tough UN sanctions imposed after its intercontinental ballistic launches.

TRUMP PROMISES FIRE

Following the report Mr Trump told a press briefing that North Korea would be met with “fire and fury like the world has never seen” if they made any more threats to the United States.

Speaking while on vacation at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, Mr Trump said: “He has been very threatening beyond a normal state. North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States.”

He added: “He has been very threatening. As I said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before.”

Officials at the DIA would not comment Tuesday on the report. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence has not commented.

FEARSOME ARSENAL

The latest revelations come a month after the US said that it believed that up to 60 nuclear weapons are now controlled by North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, far more than previously thought.

EXPLORE MORE: How Kim Jong-un’s nukes work

The most recent ICBM test saw the failed re-entry vehicle splash down into waters off Japan’s Hokkaido island.

Intelligence analysts have been shocked by the rapid development of North Korea’s nuclear weapons program. Many analysts had believed it would be years before the country’s weapons scientists could design a miniaturised nuclear warhead.

Tension has been running high since the nuclear-armed North staged two successful ICBM tests last month, sparking global alarm over its rapidly-advancing weapons capabilities.

‘PREPARED’ FOR MILITARY ACTION

Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Chris Logan said the United States seeks a peaceful de-nuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, but he warned military action is never off the table.

“We remain prepared to defend ourselves and our allies and to use the full range of capabilities at our disposal against the growing threat from North Korea,” Logan said.

Japan’s Defense Ministry concluded in an annual white paper released yesterday that “it is possible that North Korea has achieved the miniaturisation of nuclear weapons and has developed nuclear warheads.” Japan, a key US ally, is also a potential target of North Korean aggression.

It has on several deployed Patriot Missile Defence batteries around key cities and military sites to counter North Korea’s missile threats.

The State Department declined to comment on the Post report, but Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan said the department continues to work to make sure China and other countries enforce tough new sanctions.

“We’re not going to come to the table until the North Koreans have committed to” stopping their missile tests, Sullivan said.

INTERNATIONAL REACTION

The North’s statement came two days after the UN Security Council unanimously approved new sanctions to punish the North including a ban on coal and other exports worth over $US1 billion (A$1.26 billion).

Pyongyang’s statement said the sanctions were caused by a “heinous US plot to isolate and stifle” North Korea.

DELVE DEEPER: Inside the murderous dictatorship of Kim Jong-un

Earlier on Tuesday Mr Trump offered couched praise for the international coalition coming together to pressure North Korea over its intercontinental ballistic missile launches.

“After many years of failure, countries are coming together to finally address the dangers posed by North Korea. We must be tough & decisive! ,” the US leader wrote on Twitter.

ENGINEERING CHALLENGE

Despite the advance, North Korea still must overcome technical hurdles before it can claim to have perfected its nuclear weapons technology.

After Kim’s second ICBM test, experts said it appeared the “re-entry vehicle” that would carry a warhead back into Earth’s atmosphere from space had failed.

Without proper protection during a re-entry stage, a missile’s warhead would burn up.

“North Korea likely made some of the key measurements required to define those extreme conditions during the two July tests, but I can’t imagine it has learned enough to confidently make a warhead that is small and light enough and sufficiently robust to survive,” Stanford University expert Siegfried Hecker said in an interview with the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.


The former Los Alamos National Laboratory director said he did not think North Korea yet has sufficient missile or nuclear test experience “to field a nuclear warhead that is sufficiently small, light and robust to survive an ICBM delivery.” News that Kim appears to have produced a small nuclear warhead comes as international tensions around Pyongyang’s program ratchet up ever higher.

“Especially since last year, when it pushed ahead with two nuclear tests and launched more than 20 ballistic missiles, it has posed a new level of threat,” Japan’s defence ministry said in its annual report.

Japan, which lies across the sea from North Korea, has been wary for decades over its missile development as well as Pyongyang’s history of abducting Japanese citizens to train its spies.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/u...d/news-story/046689647e2838668a3ae8d014c09996
 
If this would be truth they should shut their mouth.
What nonsensing game are USA playing?.
First giving money to Iran as reward by their nuclear weapons program.
Now turning USA in the North Korea Ministry of Propaganda, making echo of NK WMD achievements.

They are used to show their destabilizations plots in Eurasia as "errors", but each time is harder to fool the whole world.
 
Let the fire works begin in NK.
That is one war would find many supporters around.
 
Why is this in the central and South Asia section?

Neither Guam, nor US , nor North Korea nor china is in South or Central Asia.
 
Republican vs Republican?
They are afraid Trump might push that dreaded button.


But what is that button if any?

"Do we want his finger anywhere near the button?" the Democratic presidential nominee asked a crowd in San Diego.

Her Republican opponent has vehemently rejected the attacks and said he would only use nuclear weapons as a last resort.

Is there any such button?

No.

But in truth, there is no button. Instead, the president has a card, commonly called the "biscuit," with the nuclear launch codes on it. He also has a briefcase, nicknamed the "football," carried by a military aide, with the equipment and the information needed to launch a nuclear strike.


Now UK:

nukelaunch.png


Accidentally, today is the day when the US dropped the atomic bomb on Nagasaki:

 
The failure of North Korea’s latest missile test last weekend was good news for pretty much everybody outside that strange country. The new-model medium-range ballistic missile explodedshortly after lift-off, making it the latest embarrassing misstep in Pyongyang’s ceaseless quest to be taken seriously as a more-than-regional power.

The Trump White House isn’t concealing its gloating over the North Korean setback, with the president coyly refusing to comment on rumors of secret sabotage of the missile. On cue, Pyongyang has promised more missile tests, and nobody should expect that Donald Trump’s latest promise of unspecified retaliation against North Korea in the event of more games with ballistic missiles will have much of a deterrent effect.

This is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, after all, the weirdest country on earth—a deeply militarized Communist regime, almost hermetically sealed off from the rest of the world, and governed by a dynastic family in pre-1789 fashion. That the DPRK possesses nuclear weapons means there’s nothing to laugh about here, notwithstanding the fact that Pyongyang lacks the ability to accurately get those nukes anywhere very far from North Korea.

Then there’s the problem that nobody seems to understand what makes North Korea tick. Most Western “experts” on the regime have no idea what they’re talking about, as I’ve explained, and there’s a very good case that the DPRK actually may welcome confrontation with the United States—even nuclear confrontation. While Pyongyang’s bluster about preemptive nuclear strikes against friends of America (read: South Korea and Japan) sounds far-fetched, it’s best to side with caution and accept that the DPRK really might do exactly that.

After all, this is a regime with which we’re still at war, technically speaking, since the Korean War of 1950 to 1953 never formally ended, and in the decades since they’ve not been shy about attacking the U.S. military. This has included hijacking our spy ships, in pirate fashion, in international waters; blasting unarmed spy planes out of the sky, killing 31 Americans; and even hacking our soldiers apart in the Demilitarized Zone between North and South Korea.

Pyongyang has been even less restrained against America’s allies. DPRK terrorist attacks against South Korea amount to dozens of incidents over the years, including blowing up civilian airliners and even storming the presidential residence in Seoul with commandos. Hundreds of South Koreans have been murdered by these acts of state terrorism ordered and executed by Pyongyang. Most recently, in 2010, a North Korean submarine blew a South Korean navy frigate in half with a torpedo, killing 46 sailors.

Then there’s the DPRK’s weirdly sinister habit of perpetrating kidnappings abroad, across Asia and Europe. These include the abduction of hundreds of South Koreans, but also of Japanese citizens, some of them teenagers grabbed off beaches by North Korean naval commandos. This sounds too strange to be true, but Pyongyang has admitted to kidnapping 13 Japanese citizens, and many believe the true number is much higher, perhaps in the hundreds. Therefore the recent claimby a North Korean defector that his country has plans to kidnap Westerners in the event of crisis should not be dismissed.

Given the threats emanating from the DPRK—above all, the nuclear ones—it’s not surprising that our Intelligence Community devotes significant resources to trying to figure out what’s going on in that hermit kingdom. But that’s extraordinarily difficult in practice. IC professionals wanting an easy job avoid North Korea, since making accurate predictions there can be dangerous. This, after all, is a country that might do anything.

In fairness to IC analysts trying to make sense of what’s going on in the DPRK, most of their usual sources of information work poorly if at all when it comes to this hard target. We have no embassy in Pyongyang, which means the CIA’s usual practice of employing spies masquerading as diplomats to gain access to the host country’s secrets doesn’t apply. Neither do American firms do business in North Korea, so the CIA’s other option, of employing case officers under non-official cover—called NOCs in the spy trade—posing as businesspeople, doesn’t apply either.

Even if Americans somehow could get into North Korea, the 24/7 monitoring given to suspect foreigners in the country means they’d be hard-pressed to get any spying accomplished. Pyongyang, trusting no one, watches even its friends closely. A senior KGB official who did a tour in North Korea in the waning days of the Cold War admitted that he was under tighter surveillance by his “allies” in Pyongyang than he had experienced in his long espionage career. He told me that he was watched more invasively by North Korean counterspies than he ever had been by the FBI during a previous KGB tour in America.

Even the NSA, which supplies the lion’s share of intelligence in our IC, can’t get much access to North Korea. Pyongyang has buried most of its communications underground, making them immune to conventional interception, while cell phones are almost unknown there. Neither can NSA tap into the country’s computer networks easily, since North Korea barely has Internet access. Being all but sealed off from the world in IT terms means that the DPRK represents a very hard target for NSA, as well as a denied area overall for American spies.

Our spy satellites offer some indications of what’s going on north of the DMZ, but without corroborating HUMINT or SIGINT, that secret imagery is a lot less useful than it could be. The only way to get fresh intelligence about what’s happening in North Korea is by recruiting Pyongyang’s diplomats serving abroad (many of whom are really spies). They’re a pretty unsavory bunch, since DPRK embassies are outposts for crime—counterfeiting, drug-dealing, and various frauds—more than diplomacy, and any spies recruited will be impossible to maintain contact with once they return home.

Which means they become defectors. There have been quite a few defectors from Pyongyang in recent years, as the regime has fallen on hard times and Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un has taken to executing those he dislikes in hideous ways. But their information can be very difficult to authenticate, as any defector grows stale from the moment he comes over to our side. In short, defectors can be valuable sources of intelligence about the DPRK’s inner workings, but they are no panacea.

Therefore, we face the dangerous situation where North Korea, a rogue regime possessing nuclear weapons and no shortage of aggression, remains a black hole for American intelligence. For decades, the IC has tried hard to get information to help our decision-makers in Washington deal more effectively with Pyongyang, yet time and again we’ve been surprised by North Korea’s latest gambit. As the stakes of this game are getting higher, with increased nuclear saber-rattling, the risks of missteps are too.

John Schindler is a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he’s also been a Navy officer and a War College professor. He’s published four books and is on Twitter at @20committee.

http://observer.com/2017/04/north-korea-missile-test-cia/
 
[QUOTEobsessedrd, post: 9748908, member: 167699"]Why is this in the central and South Asia section?

Neither Guam, nor US , nor North Korea nor china is in South or Central Asia.[/QUOTE]



He is obsessed with India and modi , that's why!
 

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