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Pakistan's side of the story on the NATO attack




NATO forces deliberately attacked two Pakistani Army outposts and ignored established rules of cooperation in the Nov. 26 assault that resulted in the death of 24 Pakistani soldiers, a senior Pakistani defense official said today.

The attack sparked the latest rift in the sinking U.S.-Pakistan relationship. The Pakistani government shut down NATO's supply lines into Afghanistan in response to the attack, refused to attend the Bonn conference on Afghanistan reconstruction this month, and indicated it would undertake a full review of its security cooperation with NATO and the United States. The U.S. government and the Obama administration expressed private "condolences" for the attack, which is currently under investigation by NATO, but has refused to explicitly apologize.

A senior defense official at the Pakistani embassy in Washington invited a group of national security reporters on Thursday morning to give an extensive briefing on the events of Nov. 26 -- from the Pakistani point of view.

The official placed the blame squarely on NATO forces and said it was completely impossible that the killings were accidental.


"I have a story to tell and this is the story of those brave people who left us in the middle of a cold, November night on a barren mountain top," the official said, before going into intricate details of what he called the "Mohmand Incident," named after the region where the attack took place.


The attack started at about midnight, the official said, with a helicopter assault on the Pakistani outpost named "Volcano," a small bunker on a mountain ridge near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. Pakistani soldiers at the neighboring "Boulder" outpost responded by firing at the helicopters, after which helicopters and fixed-wing NATO aircraft strafed both outposts, destroying them, the official said.

The Pakistani conclusion that this was a "deliberate" attack is based on the belief that these areas had been cleared of terrorist activity, that there was no indication of insurgent activity at the time, and that there was no way to mistake the Pakistani outposts as terrorist encampments, the official argued.

"This was in plain view on a barren ridge, not a place terrorists would be inclined to use as a hideout," the official said.


Moreover, NATO and Pakistani officials had put in place an intricate system of operational information sharing that was completely violated, according to the official, which reinforced the Pakistani conclusion that the attack was intentional.

The official refused to speculate as to why NATO would deliberately attack and kill two dozen Pakistani soldiers, only saying that this was the official conclusion of the Pakistani military leadership.

The Pakistani official also claimed that the NATO official in charge at the nearby Pakistani-NATO coordination center had apologized for giving the Pakistani Army incomplete and incorrect information regarding where NATO forces were attacking. In fact, the official claimed that the apology came in the middle of the attack, but that the NATO airplanes kept attacking.

According to the official, NATO officials notified the Pakistani side of the operation just before it began, but gave Pakistan incorrect coordinates that indicated it was actually taking place nine miles to the north of the actual attack site. The Pakistanis asked NATO to delay the operation amid the confusion, the official said, but the NATO official in charge refused, only to apologize later as the attack was taking place.

About an hour into the attack, at approximately 1 a.m., NATO then told the Pakistani side the attack had stopped, the official said, but the Pakistanis later discovered it continued until about 2:15 a.m.

"This was at least one hour and 10 minutes beyond when our friends in NATO told us that the helicopters had pulled back," the official said. "The actual magnitude of this tragedy we knew only when day broke."


Well-established operating procedures should have dictated that the attack stop as soon as communications with the Pakistani forces in the area were established, but that didn't happen, the official said.

"We are supposed to share information about impending operations regardless of size.... And in case we are fired upon, the responsibility to take action is on the country from where the fire is originating," the official said. "It's not for the U.S. military to engage. NATO is supposed to pass on the information regarding the point of origin [of the fire]."

The official also rejected the idea that the NATO helicopters were responding to fire coming from the Pakistani side or chasing insurgents as part of some sort of hot pursuit.

"There was no prior firefight," the official said.

NATO is expected to release the results of its own investigation into the assault next week, and the Pakistani claims today could be an attempt to pre-empt that announcement by establishing its own narrative beforehand.

Either way, the fallout from the incident has already had a detrimental effect on Pakistani military and popular opinion toward cooperation with NATO and U.S. military forces.

"There is a sense of outrage," the official said. "It's there on the street, amongst the leadership -- political as well as military -- and among the rank and file of the military. The sheer magnitude of this thing is unbelievable."


Pakistan's side of the story on the NATO attack - By Josh Rogin | The Cable
 
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Pakistan's side of the story on the NATO attack




NATO forces deliberately attacked two Pakistani Army outposts and ignored established rules of cooperation in the Nov. 26 assault that resulted in the death of 24 Pakistani soldiers, a senior Pakistani defense official said today.

The attack sparked the latest rift in the sinking U.S.-Pakistan relationship. The Pakistani government shut down NATO's supply lines into Afghanistan in response to the attack, refused to attend the Bonn conference on Afghanistan reconstruction this month, and indicated it would undertake a full review of its security cooperation with NATO and the United States. The U.S. government and the Obama administration expressed private "condolences" for the attack, which is currently under investigation by NATO, but has refused to explicitly apologize.

A senior defense official at the Pakistani embassy in Washington invited a group of national security reporters on Thursday morning to give an extensive briefing on the events of Nov. 26 -- from the Pakistani point of view.

The official placed the blame squarely on NATO forces and said it was completely impossible that the killings were accidental.


"I have a story to tell and this is the story of those brave people who left us in the middle of a cold, November night on a barren mountain top," the official said, before going into intricate details of what he called the "Mohmand Incident," named after the region where the attack took place.


The attack started at about midnight, the official said, with a helicopter assault on the Pakistani outpost named "Volcano," a small bunker on a mountain ridge near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. Pakistani soldiers at the neighboring "Boulder" outpost responded by firing at the helicopters, after which helicopters and fixed-wing NATO aircraft strafed both outposts, destroying them, the official said.

The Pakistani conclusion that this was a "deliberate" attack is based on the belief that these areas had been cleared of terrorist activity, that there was no indication of insurgent activity at the time, and that there was no way to mistake the Pakistani outposts as terrorist encampments, the official argued.

"This was in plain view on a barren ridge, not a place terrorists would be inclined to use as a hideout," the official said.


Moreover, NATO and Pakistani officials had put in place an intricate system of operational information sharing that was completely violated, according to the official, which reinforced the Pakistani conclusion that the attack was intentional.

The official refused to speculate as to why NATO would deliberately attack and kill two dozen Pakistani soldiers, only saying that this was the official conclusion of the Pakistani military leadership.

The Pakistani official also claimed that the NATO official in charge at the nearby Pakistani-NATO coordination center had apologized for giving the Pakistani Army incomplete and incorrect information regarding where NATO forces were attacking. In fact, the official claimed that the apology came in the middle of the attack, but that the NATO airplanes kept attacking.

According to the official, NATO officials notified the Pakistani side of the operation just before it began, but gave Pakistan incorrect coordinates that indicated it was actually taking place nine miles to the north of the actual attack site. The Pakistanis asked NATO to delay the operation amid the confusion, the official said, but the NATO official in charge refused, only to apologize later as the attack was taking place.

About an hour into the attack, at approximately 1 a.m., NATO then told the Pakistani side the attack had stopped, the official said, but the Pakistanis later discovered it continued until about 2:15 a.m.

"This was at least one hour and 10 minutes beyond when our friends in NATO told us that the helicopters had pulled back," the official said. "The actual magnitude of this tragedy we knew only when day broke."


Well-established operating procedures should have dictated that the attack stop as soon as communications with the Pakistani forces in the area were established, but that didn't happen, the official said.

"We are supposed to share information about impending operations regardless of size.... And in case we are fired upon, the responsibility to take action is on the country from where the fire is originating," the official said. "It's not for the U.S. military to engage. NATO is supposed to pass on the information regarding the point of origin [of the fire]."

The official also rejected the idea that the NATO helicopters were responding to fire coming from the Pakistani side or chasing insurgents as part of some sort of hot pursuit.

"There was no prior firefight," the official said.

NATO is expected to release the results of its own investigation into the assault next week, and the Pakistani claims today could be an attempt to pre-empt that announcement by establishing its own narrative beforehand.

Either way, the fallout from the incident has already had a detrimental effect on Pakistani military and popular opinion toward cooperation with NATO and U.S. military forces.

"There is a sense of outrage," the official said. "It's there on the street, amongst the leadership -- political as well as military -- and among the rank and file of the military. The sheer magnitude of this thing is unbelievable."


Pakistan's side of the story on the NATO attack - By Josh Rogin | The Cable
 
The Pakistani official also claimed that the NATO official in charge at the nearby Pakistani-NATO coordination center had apologized for giving the Pakistani Army incomplete and incorrect information regarding where NATO forces were attacking. In fact, the official claimed that the apology came in the middle of the attack, but that the NATO airplanes kept attacking.

One wonders then, why was the apology made. ?? !!
 
we know that for you US is angel and Pakistan is devil . you will always believe in US whatever they will say . you are one of those who believe the truth hurts thats why you always make yourself happy by denying the truth and believe in liars
Oh Truth Hurts

I think we have to wait to hear the other side too. Simple.
 
we had heard their 100 types of different claims and stories and we are confused which one is correct . lets hear 101 story .
And you think that we are fools who will still believe in their latest crap

Well, let's read the report first and then critically analyze it. 12-23 is not that far away.
 
Exactly. I am sure if there are lies in it, we can catch them and discuss it all here.

No doubt whatever the outcome, internet warriors will be burning mid-night oil....let's just hope the Americans realise the severity of their reckless behaviour and don't end up depositing all in their usual escape......friendly fire. !!
 
No doubt whatever the outcome, internet warriors will be burning mid-night oil....let's just hope the Americans realise the severity of their reckless behaviour and don't end up depositing all in their usual escape......friendly fire. !!

"Friendly Fire" is NOT a sufficient explanation.

We need to know the timelines and all the communications to see what happened, in what order, and what/where/when of any mistakes that were made and propagated. We need to reconcile any differences should they exist between the two sides.

We then need to see what must be done to prevent such instance from happening again. Ever.

NATO cannot get off the hook so easily this time.
 
Exactly. I am sure if there are lies in it, we can catch them and discuss it all here.

I wish the Pakistani claim of premeditated attack is found to be wrong
I wish that the report is based on facts and truth and it establishes that the attack was not malicious

I wish the above for the sake of our 10 years of hardship and sacrifice because we will be a laughing stock at the hands of the terrorists and their sympathisers. I wish that US strike is found out to be a genuine mistake and their condolence to be as truthful as their oath to serve their country.

otherwise open hostilities will be declared and the relations will be at the same level as Cuba, Iran or North Korea and that will be tragic just for the reason that so many of us believed in this WoT and willingly accepted so much loss of life.

It’s going to be a hard act for the US report because all the evidence points towards a premeditated attack and then a total disregard of ceasefire requests from PA.

sectarian terrorists in Pakistan who claim to represent the interests of AQ are having a field day and saying that this is the price for working in the hands and cooperating with the untrustworthy Americans.
For now it seems that the US report finding will determine our future relations. I hope its less political and more factual
 
I wish the Pakistani claim of premeditated attack is found to be wrong
I wish that the report is based on facts and truth and it establishes that the attack was not malicious

I wish the above for the sake of our 10 years of hardship and sacrifice because we will be a laughing stock at the hands of the terrorists and their sympathisers. I wish that US strike is found out to be a genuine mistake and their condolence to be as truthful as their oath to serve their country.

otherwise open hostilities will be declared and the relations will be at the same level as Cuba, Iran or North Korea and that will be tragic just for the reason that so many of us believed in this WoT and willingly accepted so much loss of life.

It’s going to be a hard act for the US report because all the evidence points towards a premeditated attack and then a total disregard of ceasefire requests from PA.

sectarian terrorists in Pakistan who claim to represent the interests of AQ are having a field day and saying that this is the price for working in the hands and cooperating with the untrustworthy Americans.
For now it seems that the US report finding will determine our future relations. I hope its less political and more factual
sir if their report will say that it was a mistake and it did not happened intentionally as our army claims then what will be the response of our Army ? they will reject this report and tensions remain same between Pak and USA . And if the report will say that it was intentional( which they will never say ) as our army claims then it will be clear that USA cant be trusted . So i think in both cases the tension remains between Pak and USA
 
Lets this accident be an awakening of Pakistani nationhood and patriotism..this is..by any dimensions..an open declaration of war on Pakistan..we should tighten our belts..and be very alert to the future developments. The democracy in Pakistan is finally exercising its democratic rights..that is raising voices for its people and when that happens..a lot of objections are raised in the white house and perhaps covert CIA plans to even replace the democracy....much like what happened in 1999...the new dictators will then try to buy the nation over precievied and bogus economic developments funded by US Aid.
 
This isn't the first time and this won't be the last time...what will be the benefit of report when same is going to happen sooner or later....the reality is there were glitches form day one b/w the relationships of both countries ..... Pakistan was always under the stick of those who were willing to jump into WOT and those who wanted to remain away from US. I think it was the best time for US to prove herself, and prove those wrong who were against but they missed big time...not only they were not able to prove those wrong who were not in the favour of WOT but also they have turned the once favourers against them...If anyone has to be blamed its US.... Even a common man asks how could US with all precision and communication can continue to attack on Pakistan army's check post for multiple hours....and whatever the case was we never saw even a sentence of condolence or anything related for the whole days and everything started to came out after one or more day. even than many statements were on negative and hostile tones..... When US will always need Pakistan than why to mess about.... US always anticipated poorly ...After the soviet era they thought now they are done with Pakistan, they will not need Pakistan any more so time to dump her....but after 2001 they found them self on the same plate .....but now in 2011 when they knew they are going to be out again they again are trying to repeat the behaviour.....They need to keep in mind that no matter wat happens they will need Pakistan one or the other way ..... They need to understand the importance of Pakistan's geography.... but at the time it seems they have spoiled the brat once again...........
 

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