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I just bought a whole sheet of these rare Pakistani stamps. I thought its a good one for conversation. Amazingly Bhutto sahb after the humiliation suffered in 1971 and the surrender and total routing of punjabastani army in East punjabastan had the courage and audacity to print these cool stamps.

Check out the Deen maskeen Soldier's face........:lol:

Oh bhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanch::lol:



Can you guys imagine some paindoo Pakistani TV Commentator saying the words on it:

Oh jeee Ittss a Maatturr aaaff Challung Too Wulddh Kaan shuns....:lol: :lol:
 
I just bought a whole sheet of these rare Pakistani stamps. I thought its a good one for conversation. Amazingly Bhutto sahb after the humiliation suffered in 1971 and the surrender and total routing of punjabastani army in East punjabastan had the courage and audacity to print these cool stamps.

Check out the Deen maskeen Soldier's face........:lol:

Oh bhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanch::lol:



Can you guys imagine some paindoo Pakistani TV Commentator saying the words on it:

Oh jeee Ittss a Maatturr aaaff Challung Too Wulddh Kaan shuns....:lol: :lol:

:angry: There were large number of civilians ( non combatants ) among the prisoners and India was holding them for more than a year after the hostilities ended.

There were thousands of Pathans and Urdu speaking soldiers in addition to the Punjabis. I personally knew a few Hazaras from Quetta who were prisoners of war in 1971. I had a couple of cousins, half dozen friends and also Esso colleagues who suffered in Indian prisons.

Naturally you have a right to your opinion but I find your remarks offensive and totally uncalled for. I thought this was a Pakistaniforces forum and not meant to be a place for satisfying a mean childish streak.
 
Hey man...all in good taste and humour....iss main ghabraanay key konsee baat hae?....:lol:

like all these 'Bradastani' UK kay dehatee Pakistani's over here...this should be a good discussion piece?? no??:lol:
 
Well its not like, we lost the war because of their inefficiency. The were just too few of them but they served like brave men in extremely hostile territory. Would it be a bit embarrassing? Of course. Was it worth it? For the souls of every single 90,000 of them. If we don't look after our own, who will?
 
Well its not like, we lost the war because of their inefficiency. The were just too few of them but they served like brave men in extremely hostile territory. Would it be a bit embarrassing? Of course. Was it worth it? For the souls of every single 90,000 of them. If we don't look after our own, who will?

Asim yaar Pakistani army ko jaan kar pit-waya tha in World federalists nay....They had assumed a prominent role in Pakistani politics after the 65 war and a very strong hold on the State of affairs.....After the debacle of 1971...bhutto Sahb started to talk too much, and Kissinger is on record warning him of unforseen consequences if he didn't roll back the nuke program......And lo and behold they got him, with their own hand picked chamcha.

This same situation presented itself after the Soviet departure from Afghanistan......When Zia guddhay say apna gunda kaam karvaya, and then he started to talk too much...and they got rid of him too.

Ab iss Musharraf chamchay key baree aanay waalee hae. As he himself claims, that he walks a tight CIA rope...juggling their agenda with that of his impressionable and bholay bhaalay jhuggay.....with a the crack of a whip.

Its really amazing how much outside interference is characterised and now embedded with Pakistan's history and politics.
 
Lol, he didn't say CIA rope. It was tight-rope-walking I believe what he said.

one and the same things?

Musharraf's recent confrontational attitude with the American President speaks much about Musharraf too breaking away from him. I too believe the Americans are the best capable at getting him assassinated for it too.

1971 happened much because of our own mistakes. The Bangalis won the elections and Punjab wouldn't let go of the power. Bhutto sahb was an arrogant man when compared to Musharraf, who keeps himself flexible. Bhutto lacked vision and Bangladesh happened. Musharraf struck the Balochistan rebellion deep at its heart. With Bugti gone its practically dead. T

These tribal rebels are Sardar oriented. Now they are without a sardar to boss them around. Thye are practically aimless zombies now.
 
Don't worry Asim.....Aik sardar ko maartay hain, to duss aur kharray ho jaatay hain.;)

Besides Sardar Marri is our sardar now!



He is a firm man, and has a much better agenda and relationship with his old marxist connections deep in Afghanistan and boundless sanctuaries where American forces don't dare touch us.:) baloch fighters control large swathes of land from Kohlu all the way deep inside Helmand. They attack some beleagured Pakistani post and withdraw.....most news is not leaked out, just like the media blackout in Waziristan, where these jhuggay got busted suffering heavy casualties and had to withdraw (claiming peace):lol: ...Ab saalay Balochistan main ghuns aae hain..after withdrawing from the FATA areas...only to suffer another humiliation.

P.S. The weapons and money are flowing in, and the Taliban are with us now. Like I said we will even strike a deal with the devil to get this punjabastan off our backs! there is absolutely no going back now. The die is set.

The Ongoing Baluch Insurgency in Pakistan

By Tarique Niazi
On May 14, four bombs went off in Gwadar, a coastal town in Pakistan’s western province of Baluchistan, where around 500 Chinese engineers and workers are busy building a deep-sea port. [1] On May 3, 2003, a bomb blast at the same site killed three Chinese engineers and wounded nine of their compatriots. Pakistan has since assured Beijing that it will take stringent measures to improve security. Yet threats to port and personal security are far from over. The menace has in fact grown too strong for the Pakistani government to combat it effectively. It was in the midst of this worsening security situation that Islamabad indefinitely postponed the port’s planned inauguration by the Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao, who was scheduled to open it during his recent visit to Islamabad on April 5-7. [2] Since the Chinese government approved its feasibility study in May 2002, Baluch nationalists have been voicing their opposition to the port with violence. Each May, they rock the port area with bombs to express their rejection of it. The May 14 bombing was part of this “anniversary violence.” Baluch nationalists believe that Islamabad is selling them out to regional or global powers in exchange for securing Punjab, where the overwhelming majority of the ruling class comes from.

Nationalist Violence in Baluchistan

The violence that was set off by the building of the port has now spread all across the province. It is, however, largely concentrated, besides Gwadar, in naturally endowed areas of Khuzdar, Kohlu, and Dera Bugti. Last August, five soldiers from the Pakistan Army were killed in Khuzdar. Months later (on December 10), a military truck was bombed in the capital city of Quetta, killing 11 people including two soldiers. Of all the places, the Dera Bugti area has seen the worst of the violence, where 20,000 troops are stationed to fend off Baluch tribesmen. In March this year, 8 soldiers and 50 tribesmen were killed in a clash between the members of the Bugti tribe and government troops. [3]

Gwadar occupies strategic waterways that connect energy-rich Central Asia with the rest of the world. Khuzdar, Kohlu, and Dera Bugti sit on the largest chunk of Pakistan’s 24 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas reserves. [4] Dera Bugti is Pakistan’s energy capital, the three gasfields – Sui, Uch, and Pir Koh – together account for almost half of the nation’s total annual production of 0.875 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, which is valued at $3 billion. [5] All four areas are divided among as many major tribes: Gichkis (Gwadar), Mengals (Khuzdar), Marris (Kohlu), and Bugtis (Dera Bugti). They are all united in their resistance to what they claim is colonization of their land and its resources.

The federal government, wittingly or unwittingly, is fanning the flames of resistance by unsuccessfully attempting to crush it with violence. It is pushing hard for setting up garrisons in Khuzdar, Kolu, and Dera Bugti. Gwadar is already a garrison area, which the government has officially designated as “the most sensitive defense zone.” In addition, Pakistan Navy has built a naval base at Ormara, Baluchistan, which became operational in 2001. Another airbase at Pasni, Baluchistan, was leased to the U.S. during its invasion of Afghanistan in November 2003.

This militarization of the province reprises Baluch memories of a shared past that is filled with their colonizers’ failed attempts at their subjugation and expropriation of their natural wealth. Last in the long string of such colonizers were the British who wisely chose to leave them alone. Under their almost two-hundred-year colonial rule, Baluchs remained a free nation. They flaunt their four thousand year history of struggle and freedom and throw it at their latter-day “colonizers” – namely the Punjab-dominated government in Pakistan.

The resistance is being led by several insurgent groups that have emerged throughout the province to defend their land. The three most important are: the Baluchistan Liberation Army (BLA), the Baluchistan Liberation Front (BLF), and the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). The BLA is the deadliest of all, and it specializes in targeting military posts, telecommunication lines, energy infrastructure, civil servants, and police chiefs. It was the BLA that killed and wounded 12 Chinese in May 2003. Again, it was the BLA that claimed responsibility for the Quetta bombing of a military truck in December 2004.

Religious Militancy

In an ironic twist, nationalist violence is being reinforced by religious violence. Although Baluch nationalists are secular to the core, they share with religious militants a common enemy: the Pakistani government. Baluch nationalists, for instance, are opposed to the Chinese government for advancing its strategic goals at the expense of their freedom and autonomy. [6] But several religiously inspired groups are opposed to the Chinese government for its putative persecution of the Uigher Muslim minority in the autonomous region of Xinjiang. Many members of the East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), including its chief, Hasan Mahsum, were given quarters in South Waziristan in northwestern Pakistan. On Beijing’s prodding, Pakistani troops killed Hasan Mahsum on October 2, 2004. [7] Seven days later, Abullah Mehsud, a veteran of the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, avenged the killing of Mahsum by kidnapping two Chinese engineers, who were working on a water dam in the area. One of the hostages was killed on October 14 in a botched military operation.

Also, religious militants inadvertently help Baluch nationalists by keeping tens of thousands of troops engaged away from the latter’s strongholds in Baluchistan. In South Waziristan alone, 70,000 Pakistani troops are on the trail of foreign terrorists. These troops outnumber all the foreign and native military forces in Afghanistan. When tribesmen or religious militants are pressed too hard in their hideouts in northwestern Pakistan, they run to southwestern Pakistan – i.e., Baluchistan. Here they feel far safer because of the immense vastness of the area as compared to South or North Waziristan. Baluchistan, which in territorial terms comprises almost half of Pakistan, is draped with high and rolling mountainous ranges. It is these ranges that have been Baluchs’ natural defense against foreign powers for centuries. In the 1973-1977 Baluch insurgency they defended their territory from their mountain hideouts and eventually brought the Pakistani military to its knees.

Afghanistan

Baluch nationalists are also benefiting from the situation in post-9/11 Afghanistan. Since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, Pakistan has placed almost one-third of its forces along its western border with Afghanistan, which had never been its concern before. Despite committing tens of thousands of troops along the Afghan-Pakistan border, Islamabad has been complaining of “saboteurs” crossing from Afghanistan into Baluchistan. [8] Most recently Pakistan has accused Kabul of having been the shipping point for an arms cache worth 500 million Pakistani rupees (around $8.3 million) to carry out subversion in Baluchistan.

Iran

Pakistan is equally challenged on its southwestern border with Iran, which has been blaming Pakistan for cross-border infiltration. The Iranian government accuses al-Qaeda-linked Sunni militant groups, such as Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan and its spin-off Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, for their forays into Iran’s Sunni-dominated province of Sistan-Baluchistan. This extreme southeastern Iranian province is awash with lethal arms and illicit drugs. The more extreme eastern fringes of Iranian Baluchistan are effectively lawless land, and thus attractive to both religious militants and Baluch nationalists. The illicit trade of “drugs for arms” between Iranian and Pakistani Baluchistan goes on with impunity. The Pakistani government is now raising a 16,000-man paramilitary force to choke off the trading routes for drugs and arms shipments. Most recently the two provinces have been twinned into a “sisterhood.” The Governor-General of Iran’s Sistan-Baluchistan, Hussain Amini, during his visit to Quetta last year, signed an agreement to this effect on November 23.

These elevated links helps both Baluch nationalists and Sunni militants. Just as Pakistani Baluchs complain of “Punjabization” of their province, the Iranian Baluchs speak of “Persianization” of theirs. On the other hand, Pakistani Sunni militants, many of whom are suspected of having links with al-Qaeda, see in Iranian Baluchs a Sunni minority persecuted by the Shiite majority. Consequently, they are keen to exploit this constituency in their sectarian war with the Islamic Republic.

The Iranian government, however, seems to have changed its stance towards Pakistani Baluchistan from an “oppressor” under the Shah and a “neutral neighbor” under the early period of the Islamic revolution to an “active sympathizer” in the 21st century. This change reflects Iran’s lack of faith in Pakistan’s integrity as a nation, and its suspicion of Pakistan’s amenability to foreign influences that are unfriendly to Tehran. Unlike the 1970s when the Shah of Iran supplied Pakistan with gunship helicopters to crush the Baluch insurgency, today’s Iran will play a different role should such an occasion arise. Pakistan is aware of Iranian calculations, but its government is overly cautious in pointing an accusing finger at Tehran as instinctively as it does at Kabul. The Pakistan Army, which is the ultimate power base of General Pervez Musharraf, is officered and manned with both hardcore Sunnis and Shiites. Sunnis are already after Musharraf. Thus, he cannot afford to provoke Shiites by speaking his mind on Tehran, which Pakistani and other non-Iranian Shiites view as the “Vatican” of Shiism. Disaffected Shiites at home could be far more lethal for the General as they were to his predecessor General Zia ul-Haq, who died in a mid-air crash in August 1988, which is widely blamed on his two Shiite pilots.

Conclusion

Pakistan’s military initiatives in Baluchistan are at best ill-timed. Unlike the past, Baluch nationalists are now far better armed both diplomatically and militarily. For the past two years, they have been dominating the national news. They have rapidly won the masses and classes to their cause of “Justice for Baluchistan”. Their diplomatic and military successes at home have caught the world’s attention as well. The neighboring countries, stretching from south to central to western Asia, are potential allies of the Baluch resistance. At the same time, the Pakistani government is still struggling to contain religious militancy in various regions of the country. In South Waziristan alone, the government has lost almost one soldier for every militant it has killed. To be exact, 251 officers and men died in South Waziristan as compared to 306 tribesmen. [9] In the middle of this fierce war, opening a new front lacks wisdom. Pakistan needs to revisit its view of the Baluch resistance and use economic and political diplomacy first to defuse it.

Notes:
1. “Four Blasts Rock Gwadar.” The Dawn, Karachi (Pakistan), May 15, 2005.
2. “A New Chapter in Relations” (Editorial). The Dawn, Karachi (Pakistan), April 7, 2005.
3. “Gunbattle in Dera Bugti.” The Nation, Lahore (Pakistan), March 18, 2005.
4. Bashar, Amanullah (2005). “Natural Gas-Coal, Leading Players of the Future.” Pakistan Economist, Feb 25-March 10, 2002.
5. cit opp
6. “Baloch To Go To Any Length for Rights: Khan of Kalat.” The Dawn, Karachi (Pakistan), November 8, 2004.
7. “Two Chinese Engineers Kidnapped in Pakistan.” China Daily, October 9, 2004.
8. “80 Foreign Terrorists Still in Waziristan.” The Nation, Lahore (Pakistan), May 21, 2005.
9. “306 Terrorists Killed in Army Operations.” The Dawn, Karachi (Pakistan), May 22, 2005.
 
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I love the ramblings of delusional people.....

The reality is that no-one cares about the situation there (not even Amnesty interntional really care that much about it.)

Anyway good luck with the whole revolution thing. maybe after lots of people have died in pointless attacks and reprisals. You can go back to your tribal systems and rest easy knowing that lots of people have died for some obscure cause that only YOU know about.

BTW where are you typing from? I am guessing it isn't anywhere ner the fighting huh?
 
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I love the ramblings of delusional people.....

The reality is that no-one cares about the situation there (not even Amnesty interntional really care that much about it.)

Anyway good luck with the whole revolution thing. maybe after lots of people have died in pointless attacks and reprisals. You can go back to your tribal systems and rest easy knowing that lots of people have died for some obscure cause that only YOU know about.

BTW where are you typing from? I am guessing it isn't anywhere ner the fighting huh?

'Bradistan' ka stateless paindoo apnee auqaat bhool raha hae.....:lol: Buddy my suggestion to you is to try to get your country back from both these hindu-pak kay jhuggay.......Then you come and try to talk to me.;)
 
Lull, I'll bite. What the heck is Bradistan? The land of some gora called Brad?
 
Lull, I'll bite. What the heck is Bradistan? The land of some gora called Brad?

Abaay yaar remember that extremely jahil India/ UK movie...'East is East'???:lol: :lol: ..Jiss kay under yae pakistani Mirpur kay jhuggon ko dikhaya hae???:lol:

These hard core dehatee Punjabastani Mirpuri are filled in that ****** UK city of Bradford... :lol:

udher itnay hain yae......kay uss shehr ka naam 'bradistan' ho gya hae!:lol:
 
damn...

Hmmm Keysersoze is not Pakistani, btw. He served in their military, so I'm guessing he's just truly a gentleman.
 
Please take note that the hero of the Tok is spouting off again. He has such strong belief in his cause, yet spends all his time on the internet. If you believe so strongly I suggest you pick up a rifle and put your money where your mouth is.
After all the truth hurts huh? You can't be afraid of the pak army because you bad mouth them all the time. So what are you afraid of?

I live in London for your interest....where do you live? noticed you didn't answer the question. afraid to be seen as a fraud?

Good luck in the stone age!
 
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