Mission Sabotage CPEC: Plan for Gwadar Electricity Power Plant Scraped

[Horse_Rider]

CPEC has in reality become a gimmick for the neutrals to keep China interested in Pakistan. It hasn't served any purpose thus far. The Pakistani army which claims to be the main protector of CPEC has delivered close to nothing. A project which has been in the making for quite some time hasn't contributed much to Pakistani economy. The question is, why are neutrals always pulling all the strings and delivering nothing?

You are making some tall claims! This sounds like a story where a family started building a house and brought furniture on day 1 to move in and was "surprised" to see empty land!

There is a thread on this very forum called CPEC Infrastructure (in fact there are two / three of them) our member Mr. Ghazi (I hope it's his screen name) does a great job in posting all progress. I suggest you go through that before making wrong claims about a program that has dozens of multi billion dollar projects in it and is of upmost national security priority.

CPEC phase I included setting up Power plants (over half a dozen are either ready or about to be, small / large) so Pakistan can stop the 22 hour load shedding we were under and a highway system , as well as have highway network to connect to China and across Pakistani cities to Gwadar to create a logistical map. Both these initiatives have been completed with a few left.

In fact, Mr. Khan stopped work on many projects and upset the Chinese royally. These stopped projects have been kick started again and the military and civilian leadership had to apologize to the Chinese and essentially beg them to come help us grow Pakistan with CPEC.

Next Phase is to connect CPEC to Afghanistan / Central Russia, start the Port Use, create new cities around these new highways and complete business districts and dry ports to complete the components of a functional CPEC. That's when you'd see this maga program start to help Pakistan grow. Already, in all local areas primarily in Baluchistan and KPK, there's been dozens of thousands of local jobs created with ongoing work.

I wrongly assumed that most of members here understand the urgent need for construction of any power plant in Gwadar as soon as possible, regardless if it runs on imported coal or not. Now I understand the drawback of an imported coal power plant in Sahiwal where just cost of transporting coal from Karachi port to Sahiwal add PKR 5 per unit to the cost of generated electricity.

However Gwadar issue is much different. Just Take Gwader Free Zone, which is an export-only industrial zone. Exports' from this zone is expected to generate around $10 billion of net revenue (when fully operational) as per year 2020 presentation slides. Now even if it costs $200 million to import coal to run a power plant in Gwadar, it is in Pakistan's interest to get that Gwader Free Zone (b) up and running ASAP because revenue from exports can offset that small number of dollars required to import coal.

And I have not yet included operations from Gwader port and two Industrial Zones.

And you see, delaying the power plant is equivalent of losing billions of dollars of protentional revenue each year. May be Power Plant agreement signed in 2019 did not earn kick-backs for officials so it is necessary to sign new agreement with fat kick-backs.

@epebble

Who says Gawader port won't have the electricity for operations? Or will have more expensive electricity? Show me proofs or get educated. The amount of propaganda on this forum is so much that it's sad to see Pakistanis act like how Indians would act based on hatred from Pakistan.

If you guys MUST write about something, get educated, learn the facts and then speak as much as you like. Don't paint terrible picture due to personal or political motives. It makes Pakistan look bad, this forum has plenty of Chinese and international members.

 

[TheSolution]

CPEC has in reality become a gimmick for the neutrals to keep China interested in Pakistan. It hasn't served any purpose thus far. The Pakistani army which claims to be the main protector of CPEC has delivered close to nothing. A project which has been in the making for quite some time hasn't contributed much to Pakistani economy. The question is, why are neutrals always pulling all the strings and delivering nothing?

Every few months they release an article with a sensational title to keep the awaam deluded.

"Chinese experts say CPEC set to change the fate of Pakistan's economy"

"Gwadar to become the economic hub of Pakistan soon"

"Gwadar port operationalised, massive economic growth predicted"

A whole bunch of BS, only economic growth at an exponential rate in the past couple decades were the faujis piggy banks. In return they destroyed your economy, humiliated you with corrupt leaders, and murdered the only journalists standing for your rights.

Faujistan and it's expendable subjects is what Pakistan really is.

 

[Horse_Rider]

Every few months they release an article with a sensational title to keep the awaam deluded.

"Chinese experts say CPEC set to change the fate of Pakistan's economy"

"Gwadar to become the economic hub of Pakistan soon"

"Gwadar port operationalised, massive economic growth predicted"

A whole bunch of BS, only economic growth at an exponential rate in the past couple decades were the faujis piggy banks. In return they destroyed your economy, humiliated you with corrupt leaders, and murdered the only journalists standing for your rights.

Faujistan and it's expendable subjects is what Pakistan really is.

And you were sitting in the UK, thanking queen for putting a Pound earning system in place including welfare funds, and were blindly supporting a man who wanted to conduct violence and bring in "bloody revolution" and "real azaadi" and "riasat-e-medina" to an already independent Muslim state! Why don't you come to Pakistan for good, change your flags, work here and RE-learn how hard it is for poor to survive and then jump into our situation and sound like a genius without having any background on CPEC?

 

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[Menace2Society]

Every few months they release an article with a sensational title to keep the awaam deluded.

"Chinese experts say CPEC set to change the fate of Pakistan's economy"

"Gwadar to become the economic hub of Pakistan soon"

"Gwadar port operationalised, massive economic growth predicted"

A whole bunch of BS, only economic growth at an exponential rate in the past couple decades were the faujis piggy banks. In return they destroyed your economy, humiliated you with corrupt leaders, and murdered the only journalists standing for your rights.

Faujistan and it's expendable subjects is what Pakistan really is.

Sharifs took kickbacks for agreeing loans.

Chinese got their roads for their trucks.

The rest is everything but building Pakistan's export base

Foolish Pakistan got eaten alive by China and India and left with mangos and tshirt orders

Pakistan should have spent the 70s/80s/90s/2000s building heavy machinery production, aeroplane and automative parts and computer parts. Creating good quality high value items, quickly and cheaply for the world instead of letting China and India take all the trade.

 

[nahtanbob]

......... because now there is no plant supplying electricity to Gwadar, its port or its industrial zones. Remember, Gwadar is not connected to main power grid.

........ and that some reason is to sabotage CPEC.

Explanation of why Gwadar Power Plant is an urgent need.

You are spending billions on CPEC - one of the goals was to make Gwadar this fancy tran-shipment port. And you are telling me it is not connected to main power grid. Someone is either day dreaming or incompetent

explain to outsiders why Gwadar not Karachi is the not main draw for this CPEC project.

Sharifs took kickbacks for agreeing loans.

Chinese got their roads for their trucks.

The rest is everything but building Pakistan's export base

Foolish Pakistan got eaten alive by China and India and left with mangos and tshirt orders

Pakistan should have spent the 70s/80s/90s/2000s building heavy machinery production, aeroplane and automative parts and computer parts. Creating good quality high value items, quickly and cheaply for the world instead of letting China and India take all the trade.

you were busy with nukes and waging war in Afghanistan

 

[TheSolution]

Sharifs took kickbacks for agreeing loans.

Chinese got their roads for their trucks.

The rest is everything but building Pakistan's export base

Foolish Pakistan got eaten alive by China and India and left with mangos and tshirt orders

Pakistan should have spent the 70s/80s/90s/2000s building heavy machinery production, aeroplane and automative parts and computer parts. Creating good quality high value items, quickly and cheaply for the world instead of letting China and India take all the trade.

Just another achievement of Lumber 1

The Chinese saw an opportunity to be taken for favourable terms through corrupt leaders and haven't looked back since, fill their piggy bank with pennies and take the pot of gold is essentially what China has done.

 

[Horse_Rider]

Just another achievement of Lumber 1

The Chinese saw an opportunity to be taken for favourable terms through corrupt leaders and haven't looked back since, fill their piggy bank with pennies and take the pot of gold is essentially what China has done.

And the "Pot of Gold" was......a Pakistan without proper infrastructure / no roads around Gawader to China and to Central Asia? Electric outage for 22 hours a day that's gone? I can use general idioms to fool people, but I like to be factual. There's been propaganda posts since this thread started, nothing factual, no numbers, no real knowledge of the CPEC itself.

How about we talk about King Charles? I think you'd have much more facts on that to carry on a discussion. This CPEC thing, isn't coming out clear.

 

[Menace2Society]

Just another achievement of Lumber 1

The Chinese saw an opportunity to be taken for favourable terms through corrupt leaders and haven't looked back since, fill their piggy bank with pennies and take the pot of gold is essentially what China has done.

And when Pakistan go to the world to talk about CPEC they are advertising China and their cross border infrastructure. The delegations must nod and smile at these Pakistanis then contact Chinese businessmen when the meeting is over

Its clown like behavior. $60 billion of loans they didn't need or can afford. The Sharifs quickly agreed for the kickbacks. Its been nearly a decade of CPEC, where is the improvement in exports output? Where are the results?

Imagine $60 billion invested directly in manufacturing industry, technical education and schooling. Imagine the impact. Wouldn't need $60 billion, even $5 billion. But why would anyone do that and sabotage their own trade.

How it works is string along Pakistanis with a dream whilst they sell their tshirts and mangos whilst all the high value trade is mopped up. China and India has left Pakistan with nothing but crumbs.

 

[TheSolution]

And the "Pot of Gold" was......a Pakistan without proper infrastructure / no roads around Gawader to China and to Central Asia? Electric outage for 22 hours a day that's gone? I can use general idioms to fool people, but I like to be factual. There's been propaganda posts since this thread started, nothing factual, no numbers, no real knowledge of the CPEC itself.

How about we talk about King Charles? I think you'd have much more facts on that to carry on a discussion. This CPEC thing, isn't coming out clear.

Time will tell, eventually the copium will run out. Infrastructure built to primarily secure Chinese trade routes, parasitic loan terms agreed on by kickback kings, again beneficial to the Chinese, hardly any foreign investors setting up shop in the free zones. Yes, the power infrastructure, which is built on those same parasitic loan terms, is a good prospect, but how much relies on imported coal and how affordable is it? How many local companies and workers participated, or was it Chinese companies building roads for you?

Just because the infrastructure reaps benefits doesn't mean it was done on beneficial terms.

 

[TheSolution]

And when Pakistan go to the world to talk about CPEC they are advertising China and their cross border infrastructure. The delegations must nod and smile at these Pakistanis then contact Chinese businessmen when the meeting is over

Its clown like behavior. $60 billion of loans they didn't need or can afford. The Sharifs quickly agreed for the kickbacks. Its been nearly a decade of CPEC, where is the improvement in exports output? Where are the results?

Imagine $60 billion invested directly in manufacturing industry, technical education and schooling. Imagine the impact. Wouldn't need $60 billion, even $5 billion. But why would anyone do that and sabotage their own trade.

How it works is string along Pakistanis with a dream whilst they sell their tshirts and mangos whilst all the high value trade is mopped up. China and India has left Pakistan with nothing but crumbs.

Lmao, apparently Chinese companies are even building roads for us using loans. Do Pakistanis not know how to build roads?

It's like needing a window repaired in your home but being short on money, so the handyman gives you an overpriced loan, then also charges an overpriced amount to do the work. He takes high interest + high labour cost. When all you really needed was some money for tools and could do the entire thing yourself.

The window was fixed but was it really worth it?

 

[Menace2Society]

Lmao, apparently Chinese companies are even building roads for us using loans. Do Pakistanis not know how to build roads?

It's like needing a window repaired in your home but being short on money, so the handyman gives you an overpriced loan, then also charges an overpriced amount to do the work. He takes high interest + high labour cost. When all you really needed was some money for tools and could do the entire thing yourself.

The window was fixed but was it really worth it?

Their only interest is Gwadar so they can secure sea route to save on costs and roads that links it to Xinjiang. I am not having a go at the Chinese, they are doing this for their own interests, anyone would do the same. But why can't Pakistanis look after their own too?

If CPEC didn't happen, would there be a difference in trade output? Less roads in a Baluch desert full of militia, big deal.

Pakistan needs investment in heavy machinery production and technical education. It needs investment in grass roots education for literacy. It needs money for basic healthcare so children are healthy in schools, workers are healthy in jobs.

Another decade has gone by and there is nothing to show for it apart from losing Gwadar. What was the point of buying it from Oman.

 

[Crimson Blue]

You are spending billions on CPEC - one of the goals was to make Gwadar this fancy tran-shipment port. And you are telling me it is not connected to main power grid. Someone is either day dreaming or incompetent

explain to outsiders why Gwadar not Karachi is the not main draw for this CPEC project.

You are right but this post explains the thinking of majority of the population when they try to have an opinion on matters of national importance.

 

[chinasun]

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[TheSolution]

Their only interest is Gwadar so they can secure sea route to save on costs and roads that links it to Xinjiang. I am not having a go at the Chinese, they are doing this for their own interests, anyone would do the same. But why can't Pakistanis look after their own too?

If CPEC didn't happen, would there be a difference in trade output? Less roads in a Baluch desert full of militia, big deal.

Pakistan needs investment in heavy machinery production and technical education. It needs investment in grass roots education for literacy. It needs money for basic healthcare so children are healthy in schools, workers are healthy in jobs.

Another decade has gone by and there is nothing to show for it apart from losing Gwadar. What was the point of buying it from Oman.

I completely agree with you man, especially the education part since we have such a large population. We needed a proper education reform that effectively prepares you well in STEM, but also focus on ethics and Islam in a short duration class.

This way we could heavily control/centralise the narrative of Islam in the state's favour and prevent terror networks from taking advantage of people.

Literacy rates must be increased and access to education must be maximised.

Iranian women fight over hijab, win victory over morality police Why did China's anti-epidemic policy make a fuss, and the winning government canceled strict epidemic prevention.

Why don't Pakistanis call for early elections if they think the government is corrupt?

There are rumours of early elections approaching I think. There were lots of protests in many places but they tend to use force, you can find some videos in the threads here. Still not enough clearly.

When a government official spoke out against them he was kidnapped and tortured, his sex tape was leaked to his daughter. And when he spoke out against that, they kidnapped him again and filed cases against him.