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Russia will turn the so called UNITED STATES OF AMERICA= UNITED SNAKES OF AMERICA 2 hell nd wipe america from the face of the earth by FIRING THERMONUCLEAR ICBMS IN AMERICA. Bring it on we r ready for WORLD WAR 3. PAKISTAN will help their brother SYRIA. FROM PAKISTAN
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I doubt retard 123 is actually Pakistani....I don't think any Pakistani is going to be happy about the situation....but he seems to wish to provoke....same as whoever used chems.

does it really matter if he is Pakistani or not?


if you read any of his previous posts, it's obvious that he must've escaped from a mental hospital.

I don't know what the hell is going on in Pakistan, but they should keep these folks LOCKED UP.


 
August 27, 2013

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This undated image taken from amateur video footage provided by the Media Office Of Moadamiyeh purports to show a UN inspector, right, speaking to a man about the alleged chemical weapon attack as a UN inspection team visits a makeshift hospital in Moadamiyeh, a suburb of the Syrian capital of Damascus. Doctors Without Borders said 355 people were killed in an artillery barrage by regime forces on Wednesday, Aug. 21, 2013 that included the use of toxic gas. The media office of Moadamiyeh is a loosely organized Anti-Assad activist group based in Moadamieyh which posts video and still images of violence and other developments from the region. The Associated Press cannot absolutely certify the content, date, location or authenticity of this image.

US could look beyond UN council in any strike


Russia, China likely to veto while Obama could seek new ‘coalition of the willing’

In the face of a UN Security Council deadlocked on Syria, the United States and its allies could seek other means of legitimising any retaliatory strike they launch against Syria’s government for last week’s alleged gas attack on civilians.

The 15-nation council has been split on Syria since 2011. Russia, President Bashar Al Assad’s ally, and China have vetoed three resolutions condemning Al Assad and calling for punitive steps against his government.

But the United States has intervened in conflicts before without Security Council backing, most notably in the Kosovo War in 1999, and could do so again.

Any strike by the United States, Britain, France and others without a clear UN mandate would likely infuriate Russia, which could be expected to denounce it as illegal.

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Richard Haas, president of the US Council on Foreign Relations think tank, rejected the idea — suggested by Russia — that a Western attack on Syria would need UN approval.

“The UN Security Council is not the sole or unique custodian about what is legal and what is legitimate, and, as many have pointed out, it was bypassed at the time of Kosovo,” he told reporters in a conference call.

“To say only the UN Security Council can make something legitimate seems to me to be a position that cannot be supported because it would allow in this case a country like Russia to be the arbiter of international law and, more broadly, international relations,” Haas said.

Legitimacy for a strike on Syria, Haas said, could come from a “coalition of the willing” of individual countries that support retaliation against Al Assad to demonstrate that the use of weapons of mass destruction will not be tolerated.

That coalition could include Arab countries and have formal backing from Nato or other institutions, he said.

US and European officials have cited NATO’s bombing campaign intended to pressure Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to withdraw troops and militia from Kosovo. In that case, the United States bypassed the Security Council to avoid a Russian veto and got backing instead from Nato.

The Arab League could also formally endorse military action against Syria as it did with Libya in 2011, said Richard Gowan, a foreign policy expert at New York University. But it might not be easy to secure a consensus in the Arab League and Nato.

“Some members of both blocs would have qualms about doing so, and the diplomacy could get messy,” Gowan said.

US President Barack Obama has tried to distinguish himself from his predecessor, George W. Bush, on foreign policy by presenting himself as more multilateralist. He no doubt would like some kind of international legitimacy if the United States attacked Syria.

But the tough tone of comments on Syria by Secretary of State John Kerry and strong suggestions that US naval forces are moving into position might mean Obama will go ahead with an attack on Al Assad’s forces no matter what.

White House spokesman Jay Carney on Monday deflected questions about whether Obama would seek authorisation from the United Nations or the US Congress for military strikes on Syria, saying the president had made no decision on the US response.

Carney repeatedly said that Syria’s government had conducted a “clear violation of an international norm” by allegedly using chemical weapons against civilians. Russia and Al Assad blame the rebels for the attack that killed hundreds in Damascus suburbs.

Obama has some other options for legitimising a retaliatory strike against Syria, apart from securing formal Nato and Arab League endorsements.


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Article 51 of the UN Charter speaks of “the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations.” In theory, Turkey or Israel could ask the United States and its allies for “self-defence” assistance in light of the cross-border violence the two countries have faced during Syria’s two-year civil war.

But Article 51, UN diplomats say, might be difficult to construe as the basis for a response to an attack that did not directly affect any of Syria’s neighbours, the United States or its allies.

There is also the “Uniting for Peace” resolution of 1950, which allows for the UN General Assembly to call an emergency session to take up matters related to international peace and security when the Security Council is deadlocked due to a disagreement between its permanent members. That resolution enabled the United States and its allies to thwart Soviet attempts to use its Security Council veto to cut off support for UN-mandated forces in the 1950-53 Korean War.

UN diplomats say the United States would most likely not turn to “Uniting for Peace.” But it is possible Washington could seek political support from the General Assembly in the form of a non-binding resolution to help legitimise action on Syria.

While it would not carry the legal weight of a Security Council mandate, an assembly resolution could demonstrate that most of the world supports retaliation — provided Washington secured sufficient support in the 193-nation body. All General Assembly votes on Syria have had a majority of nations opposing Al Assad, though that majority narrowed in the last vote.

The assembly option has potential, Richard Gowan, a foreign policy expert at New York University, said.

“China and Russia will fulminate against any missile strikes on Syria, but they could be severely outnumbered at the UN,” he said. “The General Assembly could offer political support for military action even if the Security Council is paralysed.” But the assembly option might take time and it is not clear if Obama will be willing to wait if he decides to retaliate.

There is also the option of an assembly approval after a strike has been carried out.

The International Committee of the Red Cross last year described the Syrian conflict as a civil war, which means the Geneva Conventions on warfare apply. Gassing could be a war crime or even crime against humanity, UN diplomats say.

The United States and its allies for more than a decade have carried out military actions that they say had international mandates, which Moscow has rejected.

Russia regarded the Nato operations during the Kosovo war as illegal. It also complained about the 2011 Nato operation to protect civilians in Libya, which ultimately led to the death of Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi at the hands of rebel forces seeking to oust him.

Moscow abstained from a 2011 Security Council vote on Libya, allowing a UN authorisation for what analysts say was the first enforcement of the UN doctrine of the “responsibility to protect” civilians. Since then it has often cited Libya as a reason for blocking UN action on Syria.

Russia has also cited the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq, a conflict former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan once described as “illegal,” as an argument against UN action on Syria. In that conflict, Washington assembled a “coalition of the willing” to attack Iraq over false allegations about weapons of mass destruction caches in the country.

US could look beyond UN council in any strike | GulfNews.com
 
does it really matter if he is Pakistani or not?


if you read any of his previous posts, it's obvious that he must've escaped from a mental hospital.

I don't know what the hell is going on in Pakistan, but they should keep these folks LOCKED UP.



Lol....at least I know it's you girl.
 
The reason for all these applications is simple - America does not like the fact that Assad start to win and the war might end.
For America, no matter who gets killed, the main thing - that the region is in chaos and they could launder money and write off the astronomical debt.
What else can you expect from a country that dropped the atomic bombs on peaceful towns?
Plan of America - ignite the flames of war from Maghreb to Indonesia. The worse for the world - the better for the USA.
 
Some sources reporting from Damascus: City-wide power cuts. "Unusual" activity at/near military bases. Artillery moved to residential neighborhoods.
 
The reason for all these applications is simple - America does not like the fact that Assad start to win and the war might end.
For America, no matter who gets killed, the main thing - that the region is in chaos and they could launder money and write off the astronomical debt.
What else can you expect from a country that dropped the atomic bombs on peaceful towns?
Plan of America - ignite the flames of war from Maghreb to Indonesia. The worse for the world - the better for the USA.

or...


They want to neutralize the Russian military base in Syria, and replace it with an American one.


Anyone following the Syrian crisis, knows that Assad didn't use chemical weapons because that would mean U.S intervention. Something Assad and his allies don't want.


Who benefits from an intervention?


America, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, Qatar.


Should tell you who is responsible for the Chemical attack.


The story is always the same, of course they play it up different. It's always "WMD", scares people enough not to question what the corrupt government is doing in foreign countries.
 
Richard Haas, president of the US Council on Foreign Relations think tank, rejected the idea — suggested by Russia — that a Western attack on Syria would need UN approval.

“The UN Security Council is not the sole or unique custodian about what is legal and what is legitimate, and, as many have pointed out, it was bypassed at the time of Kosovo,”
Arrogance has no limits. As a result many empires have fallen.

"For America, no matter who gets killed, the main thing - that the region is in chaos and they could launder money and write off the astronomical debt.
What else can you expect from a country that dropped the atomic bombs on peaceful towns?
Plan of America - ignite the flames of war from Maghreb to Indonesia. The worse for the world - the better for the USA."
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28 August 2013

Report: U.S. intel intercepts Syrian army calls on chemical attack

U.S. intelligence services overheard a Syrian defense ministry official in “panicked phone calls with the leader of a chemical weapons unit” after last week’s deadly chemical attack, Foreign Policy magazine reported Tuesday.

“Last Wednesday, in the hours after a horrific chemical attack east of Damascus, an official at the Syrian Ministry of Defense exchanged panicked phone calls with leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answers for a nerve agent strike that killed more than 1,000 people,” the report said.

“Those conversations were overheard by U.S. intelligence services,” the magazine said in a statement. “That is the major reason why American officials now say they’re certain that the attacks were the work of the Bashar al-Assad regime -- and why the U.S. military is likely to attack that regime in a matter of days.”

The report comes as U.S. forces geared up to strike Syria, though the West insists its goal is not regime change but to punish Assad’s government for unleashing chemical warfare on civilians.

The ground for a military intervention was laid out by U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, who for the first time said last week’s attack, thought to have killed hundreds, could only have been perpetrated by Assad’s forces.

But the onrushing likelihood of action within days was met with defiance in Damascus, with regime officials pledging to fight any attack with “surprise” measures, while Syrian allies Russia and Iran warned of dire consequences.

Britain and France also moved to back the use of force in Syria, while the White House promised to provide declassified evidence this week to prove that the August 21 chemical attack was the work of regime forces.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...rd-Syrian-army-calls-on-chemical-weapons.html
 
or...


They want to neutralize the Russian military base in Syria, and replace it with an American one.


Anyone following the Syrian crisis, knows that Assad didn't use chemical weapons because that would mean U.S intervention. Something Assad and his allies don't want.


Who benefits from an intervention?


America, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, Qatar.


Should tell you who is responsible for the Chemical attack.
Syria - only part of a larger plan to spark a major war, the beginning of it was initiated in Yugoslavia and Iraq, then was Afghanistan, Iraq again, Libya and the Arab Spring as a plan to destroy the stability of the Muslim Arc. So they will write off their trillions of debt and restart the economy. U.S. confident that this will not affect them, and after the rest of the world fall into chaos, the United States will become the kingdom of stability and prosperity - they will rip the whole world once again and get fabulous profits.
 
U.S. intelligence services overheard a Syrian defense ministry official in “panicked phone calls with the leader of a chemical weapons unit” after last week’s deadly chemical attack, Foreign Policy magazine reported Tuesday.

“Last Wednesday, in the hours after a horrific chemical attack east of Damascus, an official at the Syrian Ministry of Defense exchanged panicked phone calls with leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answers for a nerve agent strike that killed more than 1,000 people,” the report said.

“Those conversations were overheard by U.S. intelligence services,” the magazine said in a statement. “That is the major reason why American officials now say they’re certain that the attacks were the work of the Bashar al-Assad regime -- and why the U.S. military is likely to attack that regime in a matter of days.”

Doesn't it look familiar, WMD in Iraq.
 
I couldn't help but notice there are a number of threads covering different articles for the proposed Western intervention in Syria. Like the Syria civil war thread, I thought it would make things easier to have a dedicated thread for news and discussion. I'll start with some articles:

Syria crisis: US military 'ready to go', Chuck Hagel says

Syria crisis: US military 'ready to go', Chuck Hagel says - Telegraph

France says ‘proportionate response’ brewing after Syria chemical arms attack

France says ‘proportionate response’ brewing after Syria chemical arms attack - The Washington Post


Syria: UK Draws Up Plans For Military Action

Syria: UK Draws Up Plans For Military Action


Syria: Russia evacuates citizens ahead of military strikes in the 'next few days'
Syria: Russia evacuates citizens ahead of military strikes in the 'next few days' - Telegraph

Iran warns west against military intervention in Syria

Iran warns west against military intervention in Syria | World news | The Guardian

Syria crisis: Russia and China step up warning over strike

BBC News - Syria crisis: Russia and China step up warning over strike


Lets keep the discussion civil
 

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