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JF-17B - EW 'Growler'

So dear, brother
I gss, u hve a lot of educational back ground but still you lack military mind

Hi,
Isn't that an irony when a senior Think Tank member says " I don't know about the issue but still keeps on commenting on it ".

The bottom line is---the best helping hand is at the end of your arm---.

Be prepared---be ready---be like Israel---. Learn from what Golda Meir did---.
 
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Hi,
Isn't that an irony when a senior Think Tank member says " I don't know about the issue but still keeps on commenting on it ".

The bottom line is---the best helping hand is at the end of your arm---.

Be prepared---be ready---be like Israel---. Learn from what Golds Meir did---.
yes you r absolutely correct but the problem exists with the structure in command the decade old education and a training which only suggest that your commander is always right no matter what mess he is creating because of lack of modern knowledge ?
We are just surviving because of our strong geopolitical location and our logical fear of bieng run over by india all of our , defence strategies are directed just on india military buildup ?
but in musharaf era , that changed just a bit , when we started thinking of our own weaponry which means producing our own , millitry tools like with some well researched projects like JFT and some more development in other sections of our military specially Misille tech but since he gone again we are back to square one ?
with jst quick fixes , like buying a decade old mirages from a desert oriented country from which the air crafts has more chances of damages then any other parts of the world ?
but still that's the only state instituition with some what research and development running down to its arteries ?
imagine why we didn't tried to get JH7As from China , instead of those decade old mirages which won't be serving more then 10 year from now ?
Or else getting some high altitude anti aircraft missiles or gettIng into any sort of joint ventures ?
as we have sufficient knowledge and research on missile tech over all ?
or researching to have a credible ground radars , cause it's been 2nd time when our aerospace been breached by bogies ?
I jst can't undersrand the dam logic behind gettin those dam old jets but it shows only one thing tht we not hve enough of visionary military leaderships after musharaf which can push us towards a safe zone
 
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Stop making fool of yourself and these forum members Mr Wind Passer...
He is the senior and one of the most respectable member on PDF, its a possibility that PAF developed JF-17B into strike/CAS/ SEAD/DEAD , and behave and you should respect other member especially to senior/Elite/Professional members on PDF @SoundBarrier
 
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Stop sucking him...have an opinion and hold ur head high if you differ...

Stop personality worshipping...
This is not Youtube where you can insult/abuse anyone, you're new o here on PDF and do research on the topic then post,, if you not obey PDF law you will be banned on PDF, its a sincere advice to you @SoundBarrier
 
So when you have nothing positive to add or share, you come down to threats...Good for you. Enjoy ur day.

There is nothing in pipeline for JF17 Growler at he moment...just to let you know...cheers
Its possibility that PAF will develop JF-17B to growler type jet, whats wrong with you, do you have any links to armed forces of Pakistan that there will be No SEAD/DEAD version of JF-17B, why are you so sure @SoundBarrier
 
Why did i step on your tail for you to bark at me in such manner.
He is barking you in frustration of JF-17 role on 27.2.19 when IAF was losted not only mig-21 but their super su-30 mki by JF-17 thunder. Because he quoting Indian verson that PAF used F-16.
 
JF17 was not operationally used in the recent conflict,,, it still has LOT LOT to prove...What to talk about Wild Weasel SEAD role, it hasn't yet proved itself in Ai-Air or Air-Ground roles in ACTUAL REAL TIME combat operations....still a long way to go..

NO>>>NO electronic warfare pods or Anti Radiations missiles that are ket to SEAD Ops are successfully tried on it YET....

We can BS about our capabilities, but still, we have far away from trying this aircraft in basic roles, let alone a specialised roles....lets get real please...
Here you go since you are being a bellend

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 05-May-2011


Defence Weekly


Integration confirmed for Brazil's MAR-1 missile


Robert Hewson Air-Launched Weapons Editor - London


can confirm that Pakistan has taken delivery of the Brazilian MAR-1 anti-radiation missile and is integrating the weapon on its PAC JF-17 Thunder multirole combat aircraft as well as upgraded Dassault Mirage III and V ROSE fighters.

The MAR-1 is an air-launched defence suppression weapon developed as an independent national programme by Mectron in co-operation with the Brazilian Air Force (FAB).

In 2008 a MAR-1 order from Pakistan for 100 missiles valued at EUR85 million (USD126 million) was announced by the Brazilian government, which provided export credit support for the deal. Reports from Pakistan suggested that deliveries started in 2009.

Mectron would not comment on the MAR-1 programme except to say that "we have an export client and we have delivered missiles to that client". However, during the April 2011 Latin American Aerospace and Defence (LAAD) show in Rio de Janeiro, learnt that an active integration effort is now underway for both the ROSE Mirage and JF-17 in Pakistan Air Force (PAF) service.

This confirms statements made during the 2010 Farnborough Airshow by the PAF's JF-17 Programme Manager, Air Vice Marshall Mohammad Arif, who identified the MAR-1 as a future JF-17 weapon.

The JF-17 is a co-development project between Pakistan and China. It is now in full production at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Kamra, where about 30 aircraft have been assembled. In April 2011 the PAF stood up its second JF-17 unit (No 26 Squadron) and a third unit (No.4 Squadron) will follow later this year.

Integration of the MAR-1 with the JF-17 shows that Pakistan has a well-structured programme to expand the capability of the aircraft beyond its Chinese roots. The MAR-1 is the second non-Chinese weapon that the JF-17 is known to be adopting after the Hafr runway penetration bomb. Pakistan has also explored the possibility of adding French avionics (including radar) and weapons (including the Mica air-to-air missile) to the aircraft, but PAF JF-17 programme officials told that those options have been shelved in favour of "less politically complicated projects".

Once operational, the MAR-1 will be the PAF's only modern anti-radiation weapon and a significant boost to its combat capabilities. The missile has several operational modes, but is typically used in a pre-programmed attack against known emitting targets in a lock-on-after-launch engagement. Mectron has developed a dedicated mission planning system for such operations.

The MAR-1 is likely to operate, at least initially, with a 'missile-as-sensor' function, meaning that the weapon's own wideband radio frequency seeker is the primary sensor for emitter location and targeting. The JF-17's Chinese developers certainly have the expertise to produce a more capable emitter location system in the future. The MAR-1 can also use supplementary targeting information from the JF-17's radar warning receivers.

Pakistan has a growing number of electronic intelligence (ELINT) systems with which it can build an electronic order of battle of hostile emitters to support MAR-1 targeting. This includes the highly capable HES-21 ELINT system carried by the PAF's recently delivered Erieye airborne early warning and control aircraft.

The MAR-1 is fully MIL-STD-1553 and -1760 databus compatible. For non databus-equipped aircraft a standalone integration using a dedicated fire-control unit and display can be fitted in the cockpit. That is the approach adopted for Brazil's non-upgraded Embraer AMX (A-1) attack aircraft. The MAR-1 has yet to enter formal FAB service, but understands that qualification flight testing in Brazil will conclude by the end of 2011.

A full-scale model of Mectron's MAR-1 anti-radiation missile, which will add a significant new capability to Pakistan's JF-17 fighters.
 
Here you go since you are being a bellend

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 05-May-2011


Defence Weekly


Integration confirmed for Brazil's MAR-1 missile


Robert Hewson Air-Launched Weapons Editor - London


can confirm that Pakistan has taken delivery of the Brazilian MAR-1 anti-radiation missile and is integrating the weapon on its PAC JF-17 Thunder multirole combat aircraft as well as upgraded Dassault Mirage III and V ROSE fighters.

The MAR-1 is an air-launched defence suppression weapon developed as an independent national programme by Mectron in co-operation with the Brazilian Air Force (FAB).

In 2008 a MAR-1 order from Pakistan for 100 missiles valued at EUR85 million (USD126 million) was announced by the Brazilian government, which provided export credit support for the deal. Reports from Pakistan suggested that deliveries started in 2009.

Mectron would not comment on the MAR-1 programme except to say that "we have an export client and we have delivered missiles to that client". However, during the April 2011 Latin American Aerospace and Defence (LAAD) show in Rio de Janeiro, learnt that an active integration effort is now underway for both the ROSE Mirage and JF-17 in Pakistan Air Force (PAF) service.

This confirms statements made during the 2010 Farnborough Airshow by the PAF's JF-17 Programme Manager, Air Vice Marshall Mohammad Arif, who identified the MAR-1 as a future JF-17 weapon.

The JF-17 is a co-development project between Pakistan and China. It is now in full production at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Kamra, where about 30 aircraft have been assembled. In April 2011 the PAF stood up its second JF-17 unit (No 26 Squadron) and a third unit (No.4 Squadron) will follow later this year.

Integration of the MAR-1 with the JF-17 shows that Pakistan has a well-structured programme to expand the capability of the aircraft beyond its Chinese roots. The MAR-1 is the second non-Chinese weapon that the JF-17 is known to be adopting after the Hafr runway penetration bomb. Pakistan has also explored the possibility of adding French avionics (including radar) and weapons (including the Mica air-to-air missile) to the aircraft, but PAF JF-17 programme officials told that those options have been shelved in favour of "less politically complicated projects".

Once operational, the MAR-1 will be the PAF's only modern anti-radiation weapon and a significant boost to its combat capabilities. The missile has several operational modes, but is typically used in a pre-programmed attack against known emitting targets in a lock-on-after-launch engagement. Mectron has developed a dedicated mission planning system for such operations.

The MAR-1 is likely to operate, at least initially, with a 'missile-as-sensor' function, meaning that the weapon's own wideband radio frequency seeker is the primary sensor for emitter location and targeting. The JF-17's Chinese developers certainly have the expertise to produce a more capable emitter location system in the future. The MAR-1 can also use supplementary targeting information from the JF-17's radar warning receivers.

Pakistan has a growing number of electronic intelligence (ELINT) systems with which it can build an electronic order of battle of hostile emitters to support MAR-1 targeting. This includes the highly capable HES-21 ELINT system carried by the PAF's recently delivered Erieye airborne early warning and control aircraft.

The MAR-1 is fully MIL-STD-1553 and -1760 databus compatible. For non databus-equipped aircraft a standalone integration using a dedicated fire-control unit and display can be fitted in the cockpit. That is the approach adopted for Brazil's non-upgraded Embraer AMX (A-1) attack aircraft. The MAR-1 has yet to enter formal FAB service, but understands that qualification flight testing in Brazil will conclude by the end of 2011.

A full-scale model of Mectron's MAR-1 anti-radiation missile, which will add a significant new capability to Pakistan's JF-17 fighters.
i just want to add on to this... this deal never went thru, MAR 1 failed in testing and i think currently we are without ARMs
 
i just want to add on to this... this deal never went thru, MAR 1 failed in testing and i think currently we are without ARMs
Deliveries started in 2011 so no. Deal did go through. Clues are in the article I'll help...

"we have an export client and we have delivered missiles to that client".

"However, during the April 2011 Latin American Aerospace and Defence (LAAD) show in Rio de Janeiro, learnt that an active integration effort is now underway for both the ROSE Mirage and JF-17 in Pakistan Air Force (PAF) service."

"The MAR-1 is fully MIL-STD-1553 and -1760 databus compatible. For non databus-equipped aircraft a standalone integration using a dedicated fire-control unit and display can be fitted in the cockpit".

No offence but I'll take Jane's( and a few posters on here )opinion as being more accurate
 
Deliveries started in 2011 so no. Deal did go through. Clues are in the article I'll help...

"we have an export client and we have delivered missiles to that client".

"However, during the April 2011 Latin American Aerospace and Defence (LAAD) show in Rio de Janeiro, learnt that an active integration effort is now underway for both the ROSE Mirage and JF-17 in Pakistan Air Force (PAF) service."

"The MAR-1 is fully MIL-STD-1553 and -1760 databus compatible. For non databus-equipped aircraft a standalone integration using a dedicated fire-control unit and display can be fitted in the cockpit".

No offence but I'll take Jane's( and a few posters on here )opinion as being more accurate
JANE is a reputable source i admit, and you are being reasonable and logical for believing them instead of a stranger like me. i wont argue.

But that being said dont believe everything JANE, SIPRI and others tell you, they are wrong many times. for example, they were wrong about induction of PANTER guns.. i leave it to you
 
JANE is a reputable source i admit, and you are being reasonable and logical for believing them instead of a stranger like me. i wont argue.

But that being said dont believe everything JANE, SIPRI and others tell you, they are wrong many times. for example, they were wrong about induction of PANTER guns.. i leave it to you
We have a few resident experts at hand. Lets ask them @Bilal khan777 can you please advise.
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