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Japan Air Self-Defense Force's F-15 and F-2 fighters hold a joint military drill with U.S. Marine Aircraft Group's F-35B fighters off Japan's southernmost main island of Kyushu, Japan

5th and 8th Air Wing of Japan Air Self-Defense Force's F-15 and F-2 fighters hold a joint military drill with U.S. Marine Aircraft Group 12's F-35B fighters off Japan's southernmost main island of Kyushu, Japan, in this handout picture taken by Japan Air Self-Defence Force and released by the Joint Staff Office of the Defense Ministry of Japan October 4, 2022. Joint Staff Office of the Defense Ministry of Japan/HANDOUT via REUTERS

Between China's 20th Communist Party Congress, that began Sunday, and the next one in 2027, Japan will undertake its biggest arms buildup since World War Two in a race to deter Beijing from war in East Asia, according to Japanese government officials and security analysts.

Japan identified China as its chief adversary in its 2019 defence white paper, worried that Beijing's flouting of international norms, pressure on Taiwan and rapid military modernisation posed a serious security threat. That anxiety has intensified since Russia invaded Ukraine, weakening Japanese public opposition to rearming, security experts say.

Japan's government "has the wind at its back and will use that to do whatever it can," said Takashi Kawakami, a professor at Takushoku University in Tokyo. By pointing to 2027 as the moment when East Asia's power balance may tip in China's favour, Japan's government can rally support for greater defence spending, he added.

In addition to being the next time Communist Party delegates gather in Beijing, 2027 is the next major milestone on China's military modernisation roadmap and the centennial of the founding of the People's Liberation Army. At a congressional hearing last year, U.S. Indo-Pacific commander Admiral Philip Davidson said that China's threat against Taiwan could "manifest" that year.

For Japan, losing Taiwan to mainland Chinese control could be a disaster because it would jeopardise key shipping lanes that supply nearly all Japan’s oil and many of the materials it uses for manufacturing. It would also give the Chinese navy unfettered access to the Western Pacific from bases on the island.

"There are different shades of opinion, but generally, government officials share the same view of the significance of 2027," said a senior Japanese government official involved in defence buildup plans.

"This has been discussed internally," he added, asking not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue.

China's foreign ministry said Japan was using China as a pretext for a military buildup.

"Political forces in Japan have repeatedly used China as an excuse to deliberately exaggerate regional tensions. In doing so, the Japanese side is only looking for excuses to strengthen its own military and expand its military," the ministry said in a written response to Reuters.

At the congress in Beijing, Chinese leader Xi Jinping called for accelerating China's plans to build a world-class military and said his country would never renounce the right to use force to resolve the Taiwan issue.

Japanese defence ministry officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

TAIWAN SCENARIO​

Japan's delicate diplomatic and economic relations with its bigger neighbour mean it is unlikely to commit to directly defending Taiwan. But with Japan's nearest territory only about 150 kilometres (93 miles) from the island, it could be drawn into conflict with an adversary that spends more than four times as much on its military.

China could try to capture Japanese islands close to Taiwan to establish air defences and fend off any counter attack, said another Japanese government official involved in planning, who also asked not to be named because he is not authorised to talk to the media.

China lobbed missiles into waters less than 100 miles (160km) from those islands in August during exercises after a visit to Taiwan by U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, which Beijing slammed as American interference. read more

Japanese military bases, airports, seaports, and other logistical hubs could also be tempting targets for Chinese missile strikes because they would be staging grounds for U.S. forces.

In crafting its defence plans, Japan needs to consider a scenario in which Washington does not respond to a Chinese attack on Taiwan, said Yasuhiro Matsuda, an international politics professor at Tokyo University and former Ministry of Defence senior researcher.

"If Japan can strengthen its defence capability ... then China's calculation to attack U.S. forces on Japan will be quite different, the cost and risk of a Taiwan operation will be quite high," Matsuda said this month during an online discussion hosted by the Rand Corporation think tank.

ARMS RACE​

Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which it calls a "special operation", has helped shift public opinion in Japan away from the postwar pacifism that has dominated defence policy for decades. read more

In an opinion poll published by public broadcaster NHK this month, 55% of 1,247 people surveyed said they supported increased defence spending, compared with 29% who opposed it. Of those backing a stronger military, 61% said Japan should pay for it with public spending cuts.

In July, Prime Minister Fumio Kishida won national upper house elections with a pledge to "substantially" increase defence spending. His ruling Liberal Democratic Party promised to double the military budget to about 10 trillion yen ($68 billion) within five years.

That extra money will pay for longer-range missiles - improved Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) (7011.T) Type 12s, Kongsberg (KOG.OL) Joint Strike Missiles and Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles - that can strike distant warships and land targets in China or North Korea.

Big projects include a new jet fighter for deployment in the 2030s that will most likely be merged with Britain's proposed Tempest stealth plane into a programme led by MHI and BAE Systems (BAES.L). The splurge of defence spending should also benefit U.S. suppliers such as Lockheed, Boeing Co (BA.N) and Northrop Grumman Corp (NOC.N). read more

More immediately, it will help Japan increase stockpiles of spare parts and ammunition that its untested military would need to sustain any fight.

"We will need to give priority to things that we can deploy within five years," the first government official said.

Kishida will unveil details of military spending plans in December along with a revamped security strategy. That strategy is expected to give Japan a bigger regional security role alongside the United States, which has thousands of troops, hundreds of aircraft, and dozens of warships deployed in Japan.

Japan's focus on China is unlikely to waver, analysts say, even as its former top adversary, North Korea, is in the midst of a fresh cycle of missile tests, the latest on Friday, including the first flight over Japan since 2017. After the Chinese Communist Party congress, the Kim Jong Un regime is widely expected to follow up with a nuclear test. read more

Japan wants to let South Korea take the lead in tackling its belligerent northern neighbour, a senior Japanese Self Defense Force commander said, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the matter.

"I don't see North Korea's actions leading to any significant change" to Japan's China focus," said Bonji Ohara, senior fellow at the Sasakawa Peace Foundation and a former military attache at Japan's embassy in China. North Korea's latest actions may even help solidify public support for it, he added.
 
Don't worry its coming. China really wants to drag Japan into the Taiwan conflict. China cannot rise and lead the world whilst still having psychologic wounds from past Japanese aggression. After China pays back Japan, even Japanese will want to do business with the psychologically healed China... "What you got your payback? You don't hate us anymore? No more grudges against us? Alright new business good buddy!"

Heres how the future will play out:

1. Age of defeating US arrogance (in everything tech related) [current]
2. Age of paying back Japan [coming up next]
3. Age of restoring Middle Kingdom as the most supreme country/faction on Earth [future]

Be stupid to think China doesnt want Japan to be involved in the Taiwan conflict. When u drag the snake head out of its hole and get involved in Taiwan, u get the chance in a millenium to fukk up the snake head real good...
 
Don't worry its coming. China really wants to drag Japan into the Taiwan conflict. China cannot rise and lead the world whilst still having psychologic wounds from past Japanese aggression. After China pays back Japan, even Japanese will want to do business with the psychologically healed China... "What you got your payback? You don't hate us anymore? No more grudges against us? Alright new business good buddy!"

Heres how the future will play out:

1. Age of defeating US arrogance (in everything tech related) [current]
2. Age of paying back Japan [coming up next]
3. Age of restoring Middle Kingdom as the most supreme country/faction on Earth [future]

Be stupid to think China doesnt want Japan to be involved in the Taiwan conflict. When u drag the snake head out of its hole and get involved in Taiwan, u get the chance in a millenium to fukk up the snake head real good...

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what are you smoking and where did you get that fantasy idea?

if anything, china would like nobody to be involved in a taiwan conflict. peaceful solution is best. failing that, PRC Vs RoC only. worst case is dragging in japan/us etc.

ultimately, the japanese poking into chinese business isnt the issue. the issue is why they dare to. and all things point to one source. the US.
 
Some China watchers say China is going to build around 800 J-20 and an equal number of J-35. What is the expected number of US and Japanese F-22 and F-35 in the region by 2027?
 
Some China watchers say China is going to build around 800 J-20 and an equal number of J-35. What is the expected number of US and Japanese F-22 and F-35 in the region by 2027?
Its not about Japan anymore.
 
Dont worry, Japan will drop A bombs on America for revenge if the US allow them to rearm fully.
 
What is up with this guy spending time on a Pakistani forum to bash China? It's just so weird.

No, China is not concerned about Japan spending a little more money on its defense. It's rapidly becoming irrelevant. The balance of military power between the 2 countries has never been greater and continues to grow.

You know what can deter China? A Taiwan that doesn't reject the 92 consensus and keep talking about independence. Aside from that, mainland is not going to be friendly.
 
Until Japan has a sizeable F35 fleet, Notbody give a crap about japan's aging junk.
CB0369 and CB0370 are spotted from the airshow.
That means batch 03 aircraft number 69/70. First bath is around 48~. Second batch should be more than 70 as well. So China has 200+ J20 today.

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Dont worry, Japan will drop A bombs on America for revenge if the US allow them to rearm fully.
Nah, they will do China before America. They believe China hasn't forgotten.
 
Nah, they will do China before America. They believe China hasn't forgotten.
Japan doesn't think in terms of revenge. That's CCP China's style of thinking.

And revenge for what? It was exactly the second-sino Japanese war that saved the communists Chinese from the Nationalists in 1936/1937. Whch was why the communists side schemed the Xi'an incident. Even Mao himself said that the war with Japan was a good thing for the Chinese communists and thus for China.

Pro-CCP posters speak in terms of revenge terms now only for easy to pluck spectator sentiment gaining. They just pass to bucket of w/e point to another to play on spectator sentiment. Wholly untrustworthy.

Japan once had an alliance with Great Britain and honored that by even sending destroyers to the Mediterranean to protect British convoys during WW1. Japan wanted the keep the alliance but terms on the Naval treaties forced the end of it.

Japan has that kind of alliance with the US today and just like the one it had with Great Britian, it doesn't want to lose it. Such an alliance brings security. Without the British one, then Japan got set off to look for itself in FFA style which brings more risks, as has shown 20 years after the end of the Japanese-Anglo alliance. Being anchored with in alliance is always going to be more secured. Japan will go great lengths to keep the one it has with the US, regardless how much the Pro-CCP posters banter about it being master-slave, little Japan-Daddy 'murica, vassal Japan.
 
Japan doesn't think in terms of revenge. That's CCP China's style of thinking.

And revenge for what? It was exactly the second-sino Japanese war that saved the communists Chinese from the Nationalists in 1936/1937. Whch was why the communists side schemed the Xi'an incident. Even Mao himself said that the war with Japan was a good thing for the Chinese communists and thus for China.

Pro-CCP posters speak in terms of revenge terms now only for easy to pluck spectator sentiment gaining. They just pass to bucket of w/e point to another to play on spectator sentiment. Wholly untrustworthy.

Japan once had an alliance with Great Britain and honored that by even sending destroyers to the Mediterranean to protect British convoys during WW1. Japan wanted the keep the alliance but terms on the Naval treaties forced the end of it.

Japan has that kind of alliance with the US today and just like the one it had with Great Britian, it doesn't want to lose it. Such an alliance brings security. Without the British one, then Japan got set off to look for itself in FFA style which brings more risks, as has shown 20 years after the end of the Japanese-Anglo alliance. Being anchored with in alliance is always going to be more secured. Japan will go great lengths to keep the one it has with the US, regardless how much the Pro-CCP posters banter about it being master-slave, little Japan-Daddy 'murica, vassal Japan.
Dont put your Japanese BS words into Maos mouth all the time saying that Japanese invasion and aggreesion war in the 1930s and 1940s are good for China. Dont try to fake Maos posiition in order to escape your Japanese war crimes against China.
 

Japan Air Self-Defense Force's F-15 and F-2 fighters hold a joint military drill with U.S. Marine Aircraft Group's F-35B fighters off Japan's southernmost main island of Kyushu, Japan's F-15 and F-2 fighters hold a joint military drill with U.S. Marine Aircraft Group's F-35B fighters off Japan's southernmost main island of Kyushu, Japan

5th and 8th Air Wing of Japan Air Self-Defense Force's F-15 and F-2 fighters hold a joint military drill with U.S. Marine Aircraft Group 12's F-35B fighters off Japan's southernmost main island of Kyushu, Japan, in this handout picture taken by Japan Air Self-Defence Force and released by the Joint Staff Office of the Defense Ministry of Japan October 4, 2022. Joint Staff Office of the Defense Ministry of Japan/HANDOUT via REUTERS

Between China's 20th Communist Party Congress, that began Sunday, and the next one in 2027, Japan will undertake its biggest arms buildup since World War Two in a race to deter Beijing from war in East Asia, according to Japanese government officials and security analysts.

Japan identified China as its chief adversary in its 2019 defence white paper, worried that Beijing's flouting of international norms, pressure on Taiwan and rapid military modernisation posed a serious security threat. That anxiety has intensified since Russia invaded Ukraine, weakening Japanese public opposition to rearming, security experts say.

Japan's government "has the wind at its back and will use that to do whatever it can," said Takashi Kawakami, a professor at Takushoku University in Tokyo. By pointing to 2027 as the moment when East Asia's power balance may tip in China's favour, Japan's government can rally support for greater defence spending, he added.

In addition to being the next time Communist Party delegates gather in Beijing, 2027 is the next major milestone on China's military modernisation roadmap and the centennial of the founding of the People's Liberation Army. At a congressional hearing last year, U.S. Indo-Pacific commander Admiral Philip Davidson said that China's threat against Taiwan could "manifest" that year.

For Japan, losing Taiwan to mainland Chinese control could be a disaster because it would jeopardise key shipping lanes that supply nearly all Japan’s oil and many of the materials it uses for manufacturing. It would also give the Chinese navy unfettered access to the Western Pacific from bases on the island.

"There are different shades of opinion, but generally, government officials share the same view of the significance of 2027," said a senior Japanese government official involved in defence buildup plans.

"This has been discussed internally," he added, asking not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue.

China's foreign ministry said Japan was using China as a pretext for a military buildup.

"Political forces in Japan have repeatedly used China as an excuse to deliberately exaggerate regional tensions. In doing so, the Japanese side is only looking for excuses to strengthen its own military and expand its military," the ministry said in a written response to Reuters.

At the congress in Beijing, Chinese leader Xi Jinping called for accelerating China's plans to build a world-class military and said his country would never renounce the right to use force to resolve the Taiwan issue.

Japanese defence ministry officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

TAIWAN SCENARIO​

Japan's delicate diplomatic and economic relations with its bigger neighbour mean it is unlikely to commit to directly defending Taiwan. But with Japan's nearest territory only about 150 kilometres (93 miles) from the island, it could be drawn into conflict with an adversary that spends more than four times as much on its military.

China could try to capture Japanese islands close to Taiwan to establish air defences and fend off any counter attack, said another Japanese government official involved in planning, who also asked not to be named because he is not authorised to talk to the media.

China lobbed missiles into waters less than 100 miles (160km) from those islands in August during exercises after a visit to Taiwan by U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, which Beijing slammed as American interference. read more

Japanese military bases, airports, seaports, and other logistical hubs could also be tempting targets for Chinese missile strikes because they would be staging grounds for U.S. forces.

In crafting its defence plans, Japan needs to consider a scenario in which Washington does not respond to a Chinese attack on Taiwan, said Yasuhiro Matsuda, an international politics professor at Tokyo University and former Ministry of Defence senior researcher.

"If Japan can strengthen its defence capability ... then China's calculation to attack U.S. forces on Japan will be quite different, the cost and risk of a Taiwan operation will be quite high," Matsuda said this month during an online discussion hosted by the Rand Corporation think tank.

ARMS RACE​

Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which it calls a "special operation", has helped shift public opinion in Japan away from the postwar pacifism that has dominated defence policy for decades. read more

In an opinion poll published by public broadcaster NHK this month, 55% of 1,247 people surveyed said they supported increased defence spending, compared with 29% who opposed it. Of those backing a stronger military, 61% said Japan should pay for it with public spending cuts.

In July, Prime Minister Fumio Kishida won national upper house elections with a pledge to "substantially" increase defence spending. His ruling Liberal Democratic Party promised to double the military budget to about 10 trillion yen ($68 billion) within five years.

That extra money will pay for longer-range missiles - improved Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) (7011.T) Type 12s, Kongsberg (KOG.OL) Joint Strike Missiles and Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles - that can strike distant warships and land targets in China or North Korea.

Big projects include a new jet fighter for deployment in the 2030s that will most likely be merged with Britain's proposed Tempest stealth plane into a programme led by MHI and BAE Systems (BAES.L). The splurge of defence spending should also benefit U.S. suppliers such as Lockheed, Boeing Co (BA.N) and Northrop Grumman Corp (NOC.N). read more

More immediately, it will help Japan increase stockpiles of spare parts and ammunition that its untested military would need to sustain any fight.

"We will need to give priority to things that we can deploy within five years," the first government official said.

Kishida will unveil details of military spending plans in December along with a revamped security strategy. That strategy is expected to give Japan a bigger regional security role alongside the United States, which has thousands of troops, hundreds of aircraft, and dozens of warships deployed in Japan.

Japan's focus on China is unlikely to waver, analysts say, even as its former top adversary, North Korea, is in the midst of a fresh cycle of missile tests, the latest on Friday, including the first flight over Japan since 2017. After the Chinese Communist Party congress, the Kim Jong Un regime is widely expected to follow up with a nuclear test. read more

Japan wants to let South Korea take the lead in tackling its belligerent northern neighbour, a senior Japanese Self Defense Force commander said, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the matter.

"I don't see North Korea's actions leading to any significant change" to Japan's China focus," said Bonji Ohara, senior fellow at the Sasakawa Peace Foundation and a former military attache at Japan's embassy in China. North Korea's latest actions may even help solidify public support for it, he added.
LOL, Be careful what you wish for, I know there're quite a lot of Japanese are anti US, Speaking of revenge, maybe Japan has a hidden motive that one day they can grow strong enough to seek revenge on US.
 
Nah, they will do China before America. They believe China hasn't forgotten.
Japanese will never forget the two A bombs Americans dropped on them, they lost the the final battles in the Pacific region and suffered humiliation mainly due to America.
 

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