Is ZERO even??

[jamahir]

what does jamhiriya mean?

"jamahiriya" is a word invented in muammar gadddafi's libya... it refers to libya being "a society governed by the masses"... "a direct democracy "... it derives from two arabi words... "jamah" meaning group or gathering or people... and remotely from "jamhooriya" meaning democracy or modern republic.

this new word, jamahiriya, was needed because the 1969 "al fatah" socialist revolution in libya brought a different concept of government into mainstream, where the people rule themselves... every person participates in governing of this society... "direct democracy"... similar to "referendums" in switzerland but with a socialist political basis... "jamahiriya" is a natural idea, quite scientific.

my user-name, "jamahir", refers to a revolutionary person who forwards the jamahiriya idea, or lives under a jamahiriya system.

in jamahiriya, there is no political party and no elections... what the people decide at local level affects functioning at national level... please read these...

1. ( Refworld | Libya: Great Green Charter of Human Rights of the Jamahiriyan Era )... features of a jamahiriya society.

2. ( The Green Book - I )... details of how a jamahiriya society is arranged in practice.

and there is the idea of "world jamahiriya" where all of humanity is governed under the direct-democracy basis of "jamahiriya".

I dont know about it.

this... ( Why I'm on the brink of burning my israeli passport? | Page 5 )... it has your thanks too.

Any material to back that claim?

even the post above yours, by spade, has hints to the non-hindu origin of zero...

Why are you confusing decimal system symbol (or placeholder) zero with number zero? even mayans wrote 10 (in decimal system). They had different symbol to denote "0" in 10. But they had zero. What Brahmagupta invented is a number, similar to 1. Before him, there was no solution to the problem 1-1 (or 10-10 or 10-11 for that matter). It was considered invalid. I hope you know the difference.

and there would be other sources on the internet... and you know, things like detailed astronomical knowledge were brought to hindus by greeks... how sure are you that mathematics among hindus might not have non-hindu origin??... you see, in history, hindus did not produce any beautiful and grand architectural projects ( like pyramids, alhambra, leaning tower of pisa, great wall of china etc ) nor any machinery ( like that of al-jazari or the automated spinning loom of jacquard ) and so on...

try this Dr Stephen Hawking’s Opinion on the Science in Veda

This is what our upnishad teaches....
oḿ pūrṇam adaḥ pūrṇam idaḿ

pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate

pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya

pūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate

and that is in reference to zero....

oḿ — the Complete Whole; pūrṇam — perfectly complete; adaḥ — that; pūrṇam — perfectly complete; idam — this phenomenal world; pūrṇāt — from the all-perfect; pūrṇam — complete unit;udacyate — is produced; pūrṇasya — of the Complete Whole; pūrṇam — completely, all; ādāya — having been taken away; pūrṇam — the complete ; eva — even; avaśiṣyate — is remaining.

1. "Institute of Scientific Research on Vedas"?? what does this institute say about other things in veda's like sati and caste-ism??

2. stephen hawking is en route to being discredited.

and levina, you are beginning to sound like indrani... please rewind

Veda: The Origing of the Pure Mathematics - Yougachrya Swami Pranabanandaji Maharaj

the authors of this website were so fanatic about veda's and mathematics that they forgot to correct the spelling for "origin" and to see that "the" should be removed from before "pure mathematics".

Science is based on iteration (observe, hypothesis, experiment and repeat)

true.

But maths is the language of science. Some say it is even language of nature, but lets not go there. Maths can live happily without any science, but not the other way around. And then, I like the dilly-dally you do to complete a single task.

you must be hating maths along with english...

again that misty-eyed self-congratulations... being emotional unnecessarily.

if you want more spec, just draw a line with a pen on a paper which is 10 cm long and start counting number of points in it.

how big is the point?? that has to be told, because otherwise it will be another case of taking maths too seriously.

And there is no line between here and next star system...

refer to your own exercise above.

About microprocessor, why do you tell me? go ahead and sell your idea to mp designing companies. make billions, then it proves what you are telling is true. Else you are just bullshitting. Whoever designed mp is certainly smarter than you. Atleast in oopl you need main.sub structure so as not to confuse with different sub numbers...

my socialist political movement has a microprocessor project... it has new concepts and a socialist basis... and is meant to create much political changes.

 

[Spade]

"jamahiriya" is a word invented in muammar gadddafi's libya... it refers to libya being "a society governed by the masses"... "a direct democracy "... it derives from two arabi words... "jamah" meaning group or gathering or people... and remotely from "jamhooriya" meaning democracy or modern republic.

this new word, jamahiriya, was needed because the 1969 "al fatah" socialist revolution in libya brought a different concept of government into mainstream, where the people rule themselves... every person participates in governing of this society... "direct democracy"... similar to "referendums" in switzerland but with a socialist political basis... "jamahiriya" is a natural idea, quite scientific.

my user-name, "jamahir", refers to a revolutionary person who forwards the jamahiriya idea, or lives under a jamahiriya system.

in jamahiriya, there is no political party and no elections... what the people decide at local level affects functioning at national level... please read these...

1. ( Refworld | Libya: Great Green Charter of Human Rights of the Jamahiriyan Era )... features of a jamahiriya society.

2. ( The Green Book - I )... details of how a jamahiriya society is arranged in practice.

and there is the idea of "world jamahiriya" where all of humanity is governed under the direct-democracy basis of "jamahiriya".



this... ( Why I'm on the brink of burning my israeli passport? | Page 5 )... it has your thanks too.



even the post above yours, by spade, has hints to the non-hindu origin of zero...



and there would be other sources on the internet... and you know, things like detailed astronomical knowledge were brought to hindus by greeks... how sure are you that mathematics among hindus might not have non-hindu origin??... you see, in history, hindus did not produce any beautiful and grand architectural projects ( like pyramids, alhambra, leaning tower of pisa, great wall of china etc ) nor any machinery ( like that of al-jazari or the automated spinning loom of jacquard ) and so on...



1. "Institute of Scientific Research on Vedas"?? what does this institute say about other things in veda's like sati and caste-ism??

2. stephen hawking is en route to being discredited.

and levina, you are beginning to sound like indrani... please rewind



the authors of this website were so fanatic about veda's and mathematics that they forgot to correct the spelling for "origin" and to see that "the" should be removed from before "pure mathematics".



true.





again that misty-eyed self-congratulations... being emotional unnecessarily.



how big is the point?? that has to be told, because otherwise it will be another case of taking maths too seriously.



refer to your own exercise above.



my socialist political movement has a microprocessor project... it has new concepts and a socialist basis... and is meant to create much political changes.

That says all about you. They say a partially full vessel makes more noise. About great ancient structures? IVC had planned cities, across civilization. That is much more amazing than any pyramids. BTW, you know only pyramids mentioned by you is "ancient"? Show me one evidence that Greeks passed ancient anything to India. Did they mention zero in their books before Brahmagupta? Before Indians taught them how to make clothes out of cotton, they were roaming half naked... socialist microprocessor... ROTFLMAO... I bet it clocks .00000000001 ghz but requires 1e10^10 billion watts to do that...

 

[Levina]

"jamahiriya" is a word invented in muammar gadddafi's libya... it refers to libya being "a society governed by the masses"... "a direct democracy "... it derives from two arabi words... "jamah" meaning group or gathering or people... and remotely from "jamhooriya" meaning democracy or modern republic.

this new word, jamahiriya, was needed because the 1969 "al fatah" socialist revolution in libya brought a different concept of government into mainstream, where the people rule themselves... every person participates in governing of this society... "direct democracy"... similar to "referendums" in switzerland but with a socialist political basis... "jamahiriya" is a natural idea, quite scientific.

my user-name, "jamahir", refers to a revolutionary person who forwards the jamahiriya idea, or lives under a jamahiriya system.

in jamahiriya, there is no political party and no elections... what the people decide at local level affects functioning at national level... please read these...

1. ( Refworld | Libya: Great Green Charter of Human Rights of the Jamahiriyan Era )... features of a jamahiriya society.

2. ( The Green Book - I )... details of how a jamahiriya society is arranged in practice.

and there is the idea of "world jamahiriya" where all of humanity is governed under the direct-democracy basis of "jamahiriya".

Thanks for the info!

this... ( Why I'm on the brink of burning my israeli passport? | Page 5 )... it has your thanks too.

You've an excellent memory. I read the posts and not the member's name when giving like and for the same reason at times I've ended up giving likes to those who dislike me...and realised the mistake later after the damage was already done.
I don't mean that I ended up giving that like by mistake on your post...but I think your post was the most sensible on that thread. I genuinely liked it.

even the post above yours, by spade, has hints to the non-hindu origin of zero...

So be it!!

and there would be other sources on the internet... and you know, things like detailed astronomical knowledge were brought to hindus by greeks... how sure are you that mathematics among hindus might not have non-hindu origin??... you see, in history, hindus did not produce any beautiful and grand architectural projects ( like pyramids, alhambra, leaning tower of pisa, great wall of china etc ) nor any machinery ( like that of al-jazari or the automated spinning loom of jacquard ) and so on...

Not true...
India has been attacked and looted so many times in the past that we hardly have any thing left and whatever was left was captured by British including our veda scriptures on which the Brits are conducting studies now.
Infact some cities where ppl have lived since centuries,in such places history got buried under the ruins.Like you must be aware that till a British guy got curious about the pillars in Bihar, we Indians had completely forgotten emperor Ashoka's legacy.It was only recently that the four headed lion was found and declared our national emblem.
Let me remind you of the magnificent temples like the Meenakshi temple down south which is known for its architectural brilliance or the sun temple in the east in Orissa or the ajanta Elora caves.
You know too little about India.

1. "Institute of Scientific Research on Vedas"?? what does this institute say about other things in veda's like sati and caste-ism??

Every coin has 2 sides and so does my religion.
Sati was practised mostly by the Rajput widows for whom honour comes before anything else.Youmust be aware of what was done to the widows of kings after they were captured.
Its only when Sati was forced on women did it become a social evil.
Caste system became an evil under similar circumstances.
But tell me which religion is free from such evils?? Which religion in this world is perfect??

2. stephen hawking is en route to being discredited.

First we take all his theories as god's words and then develop on it and later discredit him....I am not surprised!!

and levina, you are beginning to sound like indrani... please rewind

I haven't done anything intentionally to sound like her/him.
I just wrote what I believe in.

But if you don't want to believe me then so be it!!
I don't have any issues.

Let's not continue this discussion on this thread any further.

 

[jamahir]

About great ancient structures? IVC had planned cities, across civilization.

can you give me one proof that "indus valley civilization" has anything to do with hinduism?? or that hinduism even existed in that period??

socialist microprocessor... ROTFLMAO... I bet it clocks .00000000001 ghz but requires 1e10^10 billion watts to do that...

our microprocessor executes instructions without a clock.

for reference for other such projects...

1. ARM offers first clockless processor core | EE Times

2. Asynchronous circuit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3. others...

clock-less processors actually work on lot less wattage than those with clocks... and our processor project has many other innovations... and the processor is just part of a bigger project

but if you are so keen on insulting our project, why don't you gather a team and design a processor for the central government project "india microprocessor program"... the indian government has been waiting since 2008 for someone in india to give them a locally designed processor...

1. Why a made-in-India chip remains chimeric - Livemint

2. Report: India to pursue homegrown microprocessor design | EE Times

3. Government of India, Department of Electronics and Information Technology (DeitY) : Home Page

you can also choose to help drdo with its super-indigenous hack-proof crash-proof operating system ( os ) project which was started in 2010.

That says all about you. They say a partially full vessel makes more noise.

actually, mine is more the long miaow of an angry cat, so i don't see why you should be arrogant and hateful...

 

[Spade]

can you give me one proof that "indus valley civilization" has anything to do with hinduism?? or that hinduism even existed in that period??



our microprocessor executes instructions without a clock.

for reference for other such projects...

1. ARM offers first clockless processor core | EE Times

2. Asynchronous circuit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3. others...

clock-less processors actually work on lot less wattage than those with clocks... and our processor project has many other innovations... and the processor is just part of a bigger project

but if you are so keen on insulting our project, why don't you gather a team and design a processor for the central government project "india microprocessor program"... the indian government has been waiting since 2008 for someone in india to give them a locally designed processor...

1. Why a made-in-India chip remains chimeric - Livemint

2. Report: India to pursue homegrown microprocessor design | EE Times

3. Government of India, Department of Electronics and Information Technology (DeitY) : Home Page

you can also choose to help drdo with its super-indigenous hack-proof crash-proof operating system ( os ) project which was started in 2010.



actually, mine is more the long miaow of an angry cat, so i don't see why you should be arrogant and hateful...

Pashupati, Swastika and OM seals. nuff said. You still crack me up dude, socialist mproccesor!!! with no maths!!! If you can design it, any uneducated person can design his/her own mp...hell, even a cat can do it... lol..

 

[jamahir]

Pashupati, Swastika and OM seals. nuff said.

what a bunch of indrani-style nonsense.

edit : even the saudi member, al-hasani, agrees with me on outside-india origin of ivc... as does much of the world.

You still crack me up dude, socialist mproccesor!!! with no maths!!! If you can design it, any uneducated person can design his/her own mp...hell, even a cat can do it... lol..

then please go give an indian microprocessor to modi sarkaar... edit : i never said "no maths"... i said "no floating-point operations, no unnecessary maths".

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i have tried being reasonable with you... i have given long explanations... but you are beyond education.
salaams.

 

[Spade]

what a bunch of indrani-style nonsense.

edit : even the saudi member, al-hasani, agrees with me on outside-india origin of ivc... as does much of the world.



then please go give an indian microprocessor to modi sarkar... edit : i never said "no maths"... i said "no unnecessary maths".

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i have tried being reasonable with you... i have given long explanations... but you are beyond education.
salaams.

Ha ha ha... socialist microprocessor.. see, you have stated your whole purpose is political. Including your claims about anything and everything. You don't give a damn to truth. Now when that happens, there is no difference between right and left. All will be arguing over same BS. Where conclusions are based on political/religious views/believes and facts are cherry picked (normally) or outright ignored and invented (as in your case). There is no "point" in trying to show them anything that doesn't fits in their rather limited worldview (pun intended). Your "long" explanation hold as much value as food that has been passed through as much lengthy digestive system of a bull. No matter how many saudis or lal topis agree with you. Don't think of yourself as an educator, please. I can gage your level of education by your replies.

PS: There is no such thing as unnecessary math.

 

[jamahir]

Ha ha ha... socialist microprocessor.. see, you have stated your whole purpose is political. Including your claims about anything and everything. You don't give a damn to truth.

one final truth... india could not design a single local microprocessor in 40 years, nor can it ever... now, you prove me wrong
by gathering a "indian scientist" team and giving an "indian" "indigenous" microprocessor to modi sarkaar... you may gather any number of iit monkeys and phd fools and infosys coolies... but as they say, you give a bunch of monkeys some paper and pen... they will come up with something... but it won't be shakespeare.

PS: There is no such thing as unnecessary math.

floating-point operations, for example.

 

[Spade]

one final truth... india could not design a single local microprocessor in 40 years, nor can it ever... now, you prove me wrong
by gathering a "indian scientist" team and giving an "indian" "indigenous" microprocessor to modi sarkaar... you may gather any number of iit monkeys and phd fools and infosys coolies... but as they say, you give a bunch of monkeys some paper and pen... they will come up with something... but it won't be shakespeare.



floating-point operations, for example.

No, I don't need to. You see, India is not full of political idiots like you. We are perfectly OK with "foreign" designed mprocessors. We do not need A-Z of the things that are there on earth to be made in India. If it makes economic sense, people will do it. Or else, not. In any case, Indians have made mprocessors for american corporation. I have not taken any contract with modi sarkar that I will do anything. It is you who have taken contract from "socialism" to make a socialist mproc (!!!!!!!). I would rather work with PhD fools than working with non PhD fools like you.

PS: FP operation is not maths. It is "operation", ie, how math is implemented by hardware. It makes not an iota of difference to math if FPO are done or not. If you get answers wrong due to FOP, it is your problem, not math's.