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[mandala]

More pics of Indonesian Coast Guard (BAKAMLA) new Patrol Vessel KN Tanjung Datu (1101). Credit to Tribun news.

http://m.tribunnews.com/images/regional/view/1727310/bakamla-luncurkan-kapal-patroli-terbesarnya

 

[Svantana]

I don't know much about shipbuilding, but is it true that the hull of the new Bakamla ship is similar to the one used by warship?

If I remember correctly, someone here mentioned about the ship design, said it was built in such way for easy conversion into Navy warship.

"On the ship we also prepared the launch pad of the missile, if in a state of emergency war can be used, because indonesian coast guard are part of the reserve defense component," said Dicky, Jakarta, Wednesday (10/2/2016).

He explained that the placement of defense equipment on board Bakamla is in accordance with the rules of the Minister of Defense (Minister of Defense) No. 7 of 2010 on guidelines for licensing, supervision and control of standard military weapons outside the Ministry of Defense and TNI.

"Because we are in reserve component category, it is prepared in case of war, so we have nuclear, shoot and SAR training," he explained.

He added that in the Medium Term Development Plan (RPJM) 2015-2019 Bakamla target has 30 ships. Details, the ship size of 16 meters as many as 14 units. Ship size 80 meters as many as 10 units and ship 110 meters as many as four units. "Currently we only have six ships, the rest is still in the procurement process," he said.

quoted from last year news
https://nasional.sindonews.com/read...akamla-dilengkapi-kemampuan-tempur-1455103376

 

[barjo]

We can already make much bigger ships than this Bakamla cutter. What I mean is whether the grade of the hull is similar to the one used by PKR?

as long as i know the steel grade is deferent in every ship, depends on where the ship is build, like in the east or the west steel. But much deferentiate betwen cutter and warship is the engine and compartement, steel grade is not major point since many shhipbuild not use steel as material like the sweden did. commercial steel grade much used in shipbuilding for suport and replenishment ship, higher grade used for higher stres ship, such us able to withstand for particular sea state or dept for sub, or wintstand for strike or hazard chemical such us nuclear etc

is much more like stanag, a level of protection but its no determine what material should be used, steel grade much only used as commercial series code

cmiiw

 

[Bennedict]

Women Corps of TNI

According to 2007 figures, there are (est) 104.000 women personnel across different armed forces' branch. The role of women in TNI is diverse, from administrative duties, medic, even as pilot, naval sailor, armoured vehicle operator, and as special forces commandos.

Contrary to western 'reports', TNI is quite tolerant about women's role, there are many women in TNI who manages to reach high-ranking positions.

(Source:http://www.tni.mil.id/view-4932-jumlah-prajurit-wanita-tni-belum-ideal.html)

"On the ship we also prepared the launch pad of the missile, if in a state of emergency war can be used, because indonesian coast guard are part of the reserve defense component," said Dicky, Jakarta, Wednesday (10/2/2016).

He explained that the placement of defense equipment on board Bakamla is in accordance with the rules of the Minister of Defense (Minister of Defense) No. 7 of 2010 on guidelines for licensing, supervision and control of standard military weapons outside the Ministry of Defense and TNI.

"Because we are in reserve component category, it is prepared in case of war, so we have nuclear, shoot and SAR training," he explained.

He added that in the Medium Term Development Plan (RPJM) 2015-2019 Bakamla target has 30 ships. Details, the ship size of 16 meters as many as 14 units. Ship size 80 meters as many as 10 units and ship 110 meters as many as four units. "Currently we only have six ships, the rest is still in the procurement process," he said.

quoted from last year news
https://nasional.sindonews.com/read...akamla-dilengkapi-kemampuan-tempur-1455103376

Should've make it sixteen 80m's and ten units of 110 meter's, remember that China's CG is not only our main focus, but there are Viet' CG and Pinoys as well. the Viets had some large CG vessels, while pinoy got themselves ten units of 90m vessels for free after begging from Japan

Both Viet and China has already backing their fishermens to illegaly fish in our waters, might be pinoys would try to act tough too, who knows.

 

[Bhayangkara]

as long as i know the steel grade is deferent in every ship, depends on where the ship is build, like in the east or the west steel. But much deferentiate betwen cutter and warship is the engine and compartement, steel grade is not major point since many shhipbuild not use steel as material like the sweden did. commercial steel grade much used in shipbuilding for suport and replenishment ship, higher grade used for higher stres ship, such us able to withstand for particular sea state or dept for sub, or wintstand for strike or hazard chemical such us nuclear etc

is much more like stanag, a level of protection but its no determine what material should be used, steel grade much only used as commercial series code

cmiiw

You have a better explanation on that bro, thanks..

We can already make much bigger ships than this Bakamla cutter. What I mean is whether the grade of the hull is similar to the one used by PKR?

By the way, in addition to the differences regarding to the materials they've used such as the marine grade stainless steel which also divided into various levels of their quality, just like @barjo has mentioned. The hull construction of warships are usually more complex since there are additional sensors and devices installed into the hull likes the sonar system and so on..

But sure, we also can use these 110m ship's hull as a base of frigate development as an alternatives way with a more affordable price (IMO)..

 

[caksakerah]

as long as i know the steel grade is deferent in every ship, depends on where the ship is build, like in the east or the west steel. But much deferentiate betwen cutter and warship is the engine and compartement, steel grade is not major point since many shhipbuild not use steel as material like the sweden did. commercial steel grade much used in shipbuilding for suport and replenishment ship, higher grade used for higher stres ship, such us able to withstand for particular sea state or dept for sub, or wintstand for strike or hazard chemical such us nuclear etc

is much more like stanag, a level of protection but its no determine what material should be used, steel grade much only used as commercial series code

cmiiw

In addition....

Modern commercial vessel is already designed to face most extreme environmental challenges, i.e. offshore supply vessel esp. in north sea. Moreover, commercial shipowners prefer to have their assets on sailing to make more money rather stay in a port idle and costly. In this case, in term of hull design, both modern commercial vessel and naval vessel may have share the same capability, durability and specifications.

Naval ship may need additional dynamic load calculations during weapons firing. If most of the case of firing are performed in the less harsh sea condition, then it might already be covered inside basic hull calculations.

For the 110 bakamla ship, I do believe that it is already adopting the similar design approach with naval ship, whereas it can be equipped with weapons in the future.

Just 10 cents and cmiiw....

 

[SIM.Inc]

BALANCING MILITARY AND COMMERCIAL STANDARDS
Standardisation apart, the quality and competitiveness of the Naval Patrol series are further enhanced by Royal Schelde's vast experience in applying a clever mix of commercial and military standards and specifications, which it has built up in Royal Netherlands Navy innovative programs since the late eighties.
The four Royal Netherlands Navy Air Defence Command Frigates are designed and built by Royal Schelde using navalised commercial equipment and techniques made suitable for naval application. Yet these Frigates meet the most demanding operational and technical requirements. This approach is now projected onto the Schelde Naval Patrol vessels and allows the customer to make a balanced selection of commercial and/or military standards and specifications, that matches his operational requirements.

Salah satu ide yang tengah di terapkan jagad perkapalan indonesia. Di dapatkan melalui pembelajaran saat Indonesia mengakusisi frigate sigma. Jadi pointnya adalah concept "sigma" ini menawarkan banyak kemudahan dalam setiap kebutuhan. Baik untuk sipil ataupun militer. Kalau di tanya tentang konversi saat di butihkan, jawabannya tentu saja bisa. Karena compartmentnya tidak memerlukan banyak modifikasi sejak design ini telah di siapkan untuk pasar militer dan sipil.

 

[Star Bugs]

What a stunning new BAKAMLA CG vessel. I agree with @Bennedict that we should have 10 of them instead of just four.

as long as i know the steel grade is deferent in every ship, depends on where the ship is build, like in the east or the west steel. But much deferentiate betwen cutter and warship is the engine and compartement, steel grade is not major point since many shhipbuild not use steel as material like the sweden did. commercial steel grade much used in shipbuilding for suport and replenishment ship, higher grade used for higher stres ship, such us able to withstand for particular sea state or dept for sub, or wintstand for strike or hazard chemical such us nuclear etc

is much more like stanag, a level of protection but its no determine what material should be used, steel grade much only used as commercial series code

cmiiw

You have a better explanation on that bro, thanks..


By the way, in addition to the differences regarding to the materials they've used such as the marine grade stainless steel which also divided into various levels of their quality, just like @barjo has mentioned. The hull construction of warships are usually more complex since there are additional sensors and devices installed into the hull likes the sonar system and so on..

But sure, we also can use these 110m ship's hull as a base of frigate development as an alternatives way with a more affordable price (IMO)..

In addition....

Modern commercial vessel is already designed to face most extreme environmental challenges, i.e. offshore supply vessel esp. in north sea. Moreover, commercial shipowners prefer to have their assets on sailing to make more money rather stay in a port idle and costly. In this case, in term of hull design, both modern commercial vessel and naval vessel may have share the same capability, durability and specifications.

Naval ship may need additional dynamic load calculations during weapons firing. If most of the case of firing are performed in the less harsh sea condition, then it might already be covered inside basic hull calculations.

For the 110 bakamla ship, I do believe that it is already adopting the similar design approach with naval ship, whereas it can be equipped with weapons in the future.

Just 10 cents and cmiiw....

BALANCING MILITARY AND COMMERCIAL STANDARDS
Standardisation apart, the quality and competitiveness of the Naval Patrol series are further enhanced by Royal Schelde's vast experience in applying a clever mix of commercial and military standards and specifications, which it has built up in Royal Netherlands Navy innovative programs since the late eighties.
The four Royal Netherlands Navy Air Defence Command Frigates are designed and built by Royal Schelde using navalised commercial equipment and techniques made suitable for naval application. Yet these Frigates meet the most demanding operational and technical requirements. This approach is now projected onto the Schelde Naval Patrol vessels and allows the customer to make a balanced selection of commercial and/or military standards and specifications, that matches his operational requirements.

Salah satu ide yang tengah di terapkan jagad perkapalan indonesia. Di dapatkan melalui pembelajaran saat Indonesia mengakusisi frigate sigma. Jadi pointnya adalah concept "sigma" ini menawarkan banyak kemudahan dalam setiap kebutuhan. Baik untuk sipil ataupun militer. Kalau di tanya tentang konversi saat di butihkan, jawabannya tentu saja bisa. Karena compartmentnya tidak memerlukan banyak modifikasi sejak design ini telah di siapkan untuk pasar militer dan sipil.

You boy are very informative about this. Thanks.

 

[mandala]

Indonesian Coast Guard (BAKAMLA) new 80 meters OPV designed by TERAFULK Ship Design and to be built by PT Citra Shipyard.

The Arrival of General Manager of PT Citra Shipyard

Terafulk Ship Design gain the trust in the design of OPV 80M Patrol Vessel belongs to Indonesia Coast Guard (Bakamla). Thursday, 5 October 2017, Terafulk was honored the arrival of General Manager of PT Citra Shipyard, Mr. Abi, the Shipyard who won a tender for Bakamla project.

An opportunity as well as a new challenge for Terafulk engineer to make the design of OPV Patrol Vessel using International Association Classification Societies.

On this occasion, Mr. Abi hopes Terafulk can provide the best design as the work of nation that will later be shown to the Government and neighboring countries.

http://www.terafulk.com/index.php?r=news&id=20

 

[striver44]

The 50th ASEAN anniversary fleet review

 

[Bhayangkara]

You boy are very informative about this. Thanks.

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[Svantana]

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Gorgeous boat

 

[Svantana]

Gorgeous boat

Indeed, hope CG order not just 2 of them.

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yang penting rame om

Meanwhile in the central African republic

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[anas_nurhafidz]

That kontainer, Anzac di BPN

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