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India's Missile Defenses Can Now Take On Decoys. That's a Really Big Deal

In this test, the ground based sensor picked out the warhead from the decoys. The missile simply homed in on the warhead, so the seeker itself has little relevance here.
Either you discriminate at the missile seeker or at the ground station, it is irrelevant. I was merely alluding to the point that the discrimination is possible. Thats all. Besides even a high resolution 600x600 thermal seeker(provided the resolution and sensitivity is high enough) of the missile can discriminate the warhead and the decoy.
 
That is because the nozzle is cooled by circulating the fuel along the contours of the nozzle-- This is a fact. However there is no such arrangement in RV-- to cool the surface of RV. Now either back your claim with evidence or stop making fancy remarks that are not rooted in facts.
It was just a rudimentary example it means that you know nothing about state of art decoy technology in layman terms. You can increase or decrease a decoys temp that's relatively easy the most difficult is tweaking its radar cross section
 
It was just a rudimentary example it means that you know nothing about state of art decoy technology in layman terms.
Oh yeah of course- I know nothing about "state of the art decoy technology in layman's term"--- where do you even learn such stuff? No wonder Pakistanis are doing wonderful research in Aerospace!. Look dude, stop wasting time. Tell that to someone who is more like yourself. It's suffice to say I have many papers in top aerospace journals.
PS- Next time when you "make a layman claim"-- do not forget to back it up with scientific literature-- It will save you a lot of embarrassment.
 
Either you discriminate at the missile seeker or at the ground station, it is irrelevant. I was merely alluding to the point that the discrimination is possible. Thats all. Besides even a high resolution 600x600 thermal seeker(provided the resolution and sensitivity is high enough) of the missile can discriminate the warhead and the decoy.
Really which decoy Einstein usa is wasting billions upon billions Uselessly. They should buy 1080*1080 sensor from Turkey they are cheap cheap and high quality, should hire a few system integration engineers and software engineers and walla you have a cheap abm system which can discriminate between a warhead and a decoy they are foolish aren't they. Einstein

Oh the ground based sensor :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

You know what your claims are like

engine which runs on pure water. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

A perpetual motion machine :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

jokes aside if you are relying on iir tech to discriminate between decoy and warhead then God save you
 
Do you even know what you are talking? Kindly refer to good literature before engaging someone with some decent knowledge. MaRV can do terminal maneuvering provided it has got some sort of seeker attached to it.
Sorry i missed this one name one marv programme which had or is using such seeker

If you really want to discriminate between decoy and warhead in re entry stage you must sensor fuz high resolution xband radar data with high quality iir sensor data in real-time. That is beyond indian capability. Till date or use just xband

Oh yeah of course- I know nothing about "state of the art decoy technology in layman's term"--- where do you even learn such stuff? No wonder Pakistanis are doing wonderful research in Aerospace!. Look dude, stop wasting time. Tell that to someone who is more like yourself. It's suffice to say I have many papers in top aerospace journals.
PS- Next time when you "make a layman claim"-- do not forget to back it up with scientific literature-- It will save you a lot of embarrassment.
Let me give you an example have you watched the thermogram of a Softcore tracer bullet vs hardcore non tracer Einstein
 
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Why has irst not replaced radar
Because you don't have reliable depth data in an iir only scenario
 
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If you really want to discriminate between decoy and warhead in re entry stage you must sensor fuz high resolution xband radar data with high quality iir sensor data in real-time. That is beyond indian capability. Till date or use just xband

We achieved that years ago. The Indian BMD comes with L band, X band and optical sensors, all sensor fused. This test was a demonstration of the same. Even a fully automatic defence was demonstrated.
 
"Nozzle" ?
My Goodness..... I guess you are unaware that in Space Launch, the Heat Sheild gets Separated much before the Last Stage Ignition.

Its beyond my imagination that how can you compare a rocket ( climbing upwards in a friction free space ) to an RV entering the Dense atmosphere ?
I wasn't

We achieved that years ago. The Indian BMD comes with L band, X band and optical sensors, all sensor fused. This test was a demonstration of the same. Even a fully automatic defence was demonstrated.
all sensors fused in real-time come on ab itne bhee nahee choorne chahiya.
 
How else can you test full automation without full sensor fusion?
because you know the trajectory exactly and beforehand because you know the dimensions rcs thermal properties of the targets because you exaggerate or mask the results because its a known and single event should i keep on going
 
because you know the trajectory exactly and beforehand because you know the dimensions rcs thermal properties of the targets because you exaggerate or mask the results because its a known and single event should i keep on going

Lol. If defences are fully automated, then how does a machine know trajectory beforehand?

As I've already said, the tests are not scripted. Especially when there is no man in the loop.

Here's one from 2017:
https://www.thehindu.com/todays-pap...ceptor-missile-soars-high/article17290456.ece
“The weapon systems radars located far off have detected and tracked the target. The mission computer predicting the trajectory of the target has launched the interceptor missile from Dr. Abdul Kalam Island at appropriate time based on the trajectory of the target missile. The whole operation was without man in the loop,” defence sources said.
 
Lol. If defences are fully automated, then how does a machine know trajectory beforehand?

As I've already said, the tests are not scripted. Especially when there is no man in the loop.

Here's one from 2017:
https://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/India’s-own-interceptor-missile-soars-high/article17290456.ece
“The weapon systems radars located far off have detected and tracked the target. The mission computer predicting the trajectory of the target has launched the interceptor missile from Dr. Abdul Kalam Island at appropriate time based on the trajectory of the target missile. The whole operation was without man in the loop,” defence sources said.
defence sources are lying and you will know in future mark my words there is no man in loop but the data is in the computer.
 
It sounds too good to be true, neither USA nor Russia claims to possess such technology at the moment. Identifying a decoy among real warheads is almost impossible. However, given the fact, Pakistan and India are right next to each other, so it makes any Anti-Missile-Defence system redundant. Furthermore, these days there are many means available to overwhelm any defence system and further investing in AI drone technology will further make it more attractive for countries who love to go out all offensive.
USA has that technolog. I am not sure of Russia. But, USA can easily sift through decoys

:lol: were right next to you and have 150+ warheads with multiple and varied delivery vehicles

You aint stoppin much, thats a guarantee
BMD does not stop everything but just many things. That is good enough. Better to get hit with 50 warheads than 150. Also, saturation fire on one target due to BMD can protect the others due to warhead limitations

Any Anti Missile Defense system anywhere in the world cannot guarantee 100 % success rate. We have seen this in case of so much publicized Iron Dome missile shield of the Israelis but even it couldnt stop barrage of primitive rockets fired from both Hizbullah as well as Hamas.

Expecting a defense system against high technology nuclear cruise missiles or Ballistic missiles equipped with MIRVs is fooling one self. The best defense for India against any nuclear attack is to make peace with its neighbors including China and Pakistan and stop its hegemonic designs which will lead to nothing but destruction !
Cruise missile is piece of cake. The real challenge is against ballistic missiles. The probability of kill is quite high for missiles upto MRBM range. ICBM will be difficult to intercept. Even IRBM is more difficult due to higher speed.

:lazy2: come back and talk to us when your able to intercept a 4ft MIRV locked on to your veggie bungholes coming in at mach 18, oh wait...even the u.s. can't intercept that. :coffee:
4ft MIRV? MIRV just launches multiple warheads from same missile. That means that there will be need for more than 1 BMD missile per BM missile. If there are 3 MIRV warhead, 3 times BMD missile is needed. But it is not impossible. Also, Mach 18 is some high speed IRBM. Pakistan is limited to MRBM within 2500km. 10Mach may be reasonable limit

Currently, you won't be able to intercept MIRV's like Ababeel, nor will you be able to shoot down every one of our nuclear warheads if launched (or even a significant number of them). Even if your system gets around these problems, we could develop even more counter measures on top of MIRV.


There's also the problem of how much of Hindustan you can protect with these systems, you have a huge country and these weapons are not cheap you know.

Not to mention that if they do seem promising, Pakistan will probably invest in them as well.



You cannot even block 10% of them, let alone all of them.
MIRV can be intercepted. It just has more warheads than normal missile. Launching MIRVed missile with 3 warhead is same as launching 3 missile with 1 warhead

Even if Pakistan invests, Pakistan does not have the required technical manpower to make these missiles and BMD

Only if it magically is able to operate in a heavy radiation envirmomet like nuclear war and is able to avoid multiple vector assualt. No doubt Indian bases will be targeted with both ai dropped, CM and BM simultaneously.
What radiation? The radiation is only momentary. In a matter of few minutes, radiation will be diluted in the vas atmosphere. Humans have some radiation tolerance too to tolerate the diluted radiation.

i do not dispute this, india has very advanced missile technology because it has fantastic engineers and because russia helped it a lot (my opinion), but even american/russian missile defence systems have not shown an ability to deal with decoy warheads etc (even in bullshit scripted test conditions, let alone in reality), so this is the basis for my scepticism
USA has shown the ability to deal with decoys as well as high speed missiles. Decoys have different signature than actual warheads and also have lower speed due to lower weight and thus higher drag. It is automatic that the higher weight one is the warhead. Unless one makes decoy as heavy as warhead in which case, there is no point of decoy

what good comes from thinking about how to create a 'holocaust' of hindus/pakistanis?? war has no winners and you are just continuing cycle of hatred
War has decisive winners at the end.

I do understand that, but what @Persian Gulf 1906 said is right. To intercept a missile, we need to detect the launch, trace the trajectory, launch many missiles towards it, the margin of error is very less. Also, if the missile is a decoy or conventional low yield warhead that can trick the BMD and can launch a nuclear missile in Tandem. Developing BMD is good because we will learn a lot and can employ the technology in our strike missiles. The BMD system in today's terms cannot counter any threat.
We need not know the launch. Just trajectory is enough. By the way, detecting launch is easy as Pakistan is nearby

But the thaad is deployed in south korea. And yeah, sure, the decided not to intercept multiple missiles violating their airspace unless it is targeting Japanese targets. If it violates their airspace what else do they need? The warheads actually falling on their cities??? Naah dude, not buying it... it's merely a face saving tactic on the part of the Japanese.
THAAD is for terminal phase only. The T in THAAD means terminal. How ca Japan intercept a misisle flying over 100km above? Also, NoKo has no oceanic space to test long range missiles due to geography and henc eit has to test it over Japan

Russia, on its own, is like a 3rd world country in relation to the US in all fronts. Russia is powerful because it inherited a significant share of defenses and resources of USSR (defunct); other states were not as lucky.
Russia is strong due to heavy focus o defence. All smart people in Russia work in defence and hence it does not have any other industry but science and defence. India has large population and can get large number of intelligent people. Hence it can build better defence

That's why India is most ignorunt country in world
Small in size Decoys r designed to make similar radar and thermal signature of real warhead
It's a bs claim that u can differentiate between em

U can stack several decoy with each warhead
It's more bs propaganda to fool bhagats
For coming elections
;)
Decoys are lighter than warhead. If decoys have same weight as warhead, then it is difficult. But with different weight, the deceleration will be different and that can be detected. Radars are capable of detecting speed

And an marv does not evade interceptor like fighter does it just makes a few changes to its trajectories within its envelope to make trajectory calculations that much difficult
Marv was rejected by USA as that was said to reduce accuracy. the RV is having heat shield which can't detect any incoming radiowaves. So, merely relying on internal INS is a risky job. The miniaturised nature of warhead and the fact that they can rotate makes the INS system very difficult to place. So, MaRV is something that will be hard to use accurately. Very few countries use MaRV as a result.
Why has irst not replaced radar
Because you don't have reliable depth data in an iir only scenario
Sorry i missed this one name one marv programme which had or is using such seeker

If you really want to discriminate between decoy and warhead in re entry stage you must sensor fuz high resolution xband radar data with high quality iir sensor data in real-time. That is beyond indian capability. Till date or use just xband


Let me give you an example have you watched the thermogram of a Softcore tracer bullet vs hardcore non tracer Einstein
The seeker on Indian AAD/PDV is RF seeker. It has sense of depth and speed. In addition, decoys are detected by ground radars much before the seeker detects it. The different speeds of deceleration due to different weight is easy to notice. If the decoys have same weight as the warhead, then the purpose of decoys are lost. Decoys are generally inflatable things which are low in density.
 
MIRV can be intercepted. It just has more warheads than normal missile. Launching MIRVed missile with 3 warhead is same as launching 3 missile with 1 warhead

Even if Pakistan invests, Pakistan does not have the required technical manpower to make these missiles and BMD

When you get there, then we'll talk.

You said the same thing about nukes, yet look where we are now.
 

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