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The parallel between the conditions of the Muslims of India and those of Mubarak's Egypt is far-fetched in that India is a functioning, stable democracy that guarantees basic freedoms to its masses - the very opposite of Mubarak's regime. If so, why did many Muslim Indians watch events in Egypt unfold with a personal interest?


India is home to 160 million Muslims, the third-largest such concentration within a state's boundaries (after Indonesia and Pakistan). As in many developing countries, where ethnic minorities tend to perform relatively poorly in post-colonial environments, India's Muslims declined from a middle-tier economic position at the time of the country's independence in 1947 to the bottom of the ladder over the subsequent six decades.


The reason for their decline is the same as for ethnic minorities in peer countries (including, by the way, Christians in Egypt) - discrimination by the state (acknowledged, in India's case, even in official reports) started the process. This included undue police harassment, discrimination in hiring for government jobs and reduced allocations of development funds for Muslim-majority areas. This was followed by social stigmatization that is political, cultural and economic. It led ultimately to the formation of ghetto societies from which Muslim Indians have been largely unable to escape (again, a fact acknowledged in Indian government reports).

Mostly, ethnic discrimination is a feature of authoritarian societies. That discrimination against Muslims occurred in democratic India is remarkable, a denial of justice on the tacit grounds that - though citizens - they are subject to different rules. Despite repeated efforts by Muslims to participate in civil society as citizens of the Indian state - high voter-turnout rates in elections, investing their meager resources in education - the reality is that Muslims have failed to progress socioeconomically and to gain either a civic identity or political power within the context of a secular, democratic state. Instead, they are identified in the average Indian mind as those favoring a theocratic state, a position from which they are unable to gather any momentum to escape the ghetto.

Some of the outcomes, as anthropologist Thomas Hansen notes, are that the "majority of young Muslims who receive a higher education do so from private and community-based institutions throughout the country. Muslims are severely underrepresented in the military, police and in the civil service, and their involvement in formal institutions of credit, insurance, and so on is the lowest in India. Apart from small, wealthy and well-defined elites, most Muslims in India work for other Muslims and sell their services and goods to other Muslims in a semi-formal or informal economy."

Egypt's Jan. 25 revolution provides Muslim Indians with a methodology, as it were, of overcoming discrimination - peaceful, public protest by oppressed citizens of all ages and genders - that was never seen among Muslim populations in the post-colonial world. At issue is whether the Egyptian method offers a way out of their current state. Just as the cry of "Allahu akbar" (God is great) was a cry for justice in Egypt, not an appeal to give up lives for a theocratic state (as journalist Robert Fisk has noted), can Muslims of India find their own cries that identify them as Muslim Indians demonstrating for justice? If they can find their own way of protest, will it work when other civic options - participation in elections, for example - did not?

We see strong reasons for optimism. Just as Tunisia's Jasmine Revolution spurred its largest Arab neighbor, the events of Egypt - the Muslim world's cultural heartbeat - are an example to Muslims everywhere. To an extent that cannot be understated, the "sickness" of Egypt during the time of Mubarak helped legitimize, in the Muslim Indian mind, the lie that he was being told by those around him: that Islam and democracy were incompatible. Authoritarian Muslim societies like Mubarak's Egypt allowed India's rulers to ignore the declining state of its Muslims with the false argument that Muslims did not know how to prosper in a free society. These lies are now exposed.

The ferment among Muslim Indians now is the stirring of those reassured about their true worth. If it leads to action that forces the state to respond positively, official discrimination could finally be overturned. If so, Muslims finally might be allowed to enjoy the freedom of equal opportunity so far denied to them. The country, as a whole, will benefit, and all India's citizens will rejoice at this new empowerment.


Indian Muslims may find inspiration in Egypt - SFGate
 
Really?

Most interesting.

Egyptian mass movement inspires Pakistan 'change agents' to get back into action

Lahore, Feb 10: Inspired by the recent mass movements in Egypt, Sudan and Tunisia, Pakistan's change agents and social activists have begun reactivating and strengthening their networking in various parts of the country.

Although these social groups already existed in the country plagued with bad governance, high inflation rate, economic and energy crisis, corruption, injustice and non-existence of a true opposition party, the mass movements in some Islamic countries have sensitised them to organize and further their agendas.

More at:

Egyptian mass movement inspires Pakistan 'change agents' to get back into action - World News, 144406

Odd, what?
 
India's Muslims declined from a middle-tier economic position at the time of the country's independence in 1947 to the bottom of the ladder over the subsequent six decades.

The reason for their decline is the same as for ethnic minorities in peer countries (including, by the way, Christians in Egypt) - discrimination by the state (acknowledged, in India's case, even in official reports) started the process......

What utter nonsense, the dip in the economic status of Indian Muslims post Independence was a result of most of the upper class and middle class Muslims running away to Pakistan with not as much as a glance at their poorer brethren who lacked the means to undertake the journey to the 'Land of the pure'. That is the fact and everything else is mere propaganda.

Anyway, are the Indian Muslims really so badly off? Well they don't blow up each others at regular intervals as their western counterparts do. Now that is not so bad is it?

Agreed, inequalities, wherever they exist today have to be addressed. Indian Muslims are as much Indians as are other Indians. Their concerns have to be addressed. But we do not need to be told what to do by our neighbors. The way I see it, Pakistan has greater problems on its hands than we have. It is best that the Pakistani sympathizers of the Indian Muslims spend more time in rectifying the anomalies in their own society than worrying about India's Muslims who are all Indian citizens.

Regards.
 
I for one will be happy if Indian muslims (or even hindus) emulate the egyptian craving for democracy and secularism. Like India, egypt has a sizable minority (Christian) population. In the revolution they fought together. However only time will tell whether the majority really want a secular, pluralistic, democratic country.
 
i think chances of revolution in pakistan are increasing day by day. OP wd do well to look after his own country first.
 
India is home to 160 million Muslims, the third-largest such concentration within a state's boundaries (after Indonesia and Pakistan). As in many developing countries, where ethnic minorities tend to perform relatively poorly in post-colonial environments, India's Muslims declined from a middle-tier economic position at the time of the country's independence in 1947 to the bottom of the ladder over the subsequent six decades.

its not the fault of the govt. or the hindus for the decline,muslims are themselves responsible their situation,india has many examples of muslims who achieved recognition due to their hard work like azim premji,abdul kalam,shahrukh khan,etc the were all not so rich when they started but if the majority dont want to work hard its their problem.
 
lol bs..
nice propaganda...
Muslims here don't sell their blood to outsiders..

Its from the San Francisco Chronicle. Why would San Francisco, California make propaganda against India. What beef does that city have with India?
 
Its from the San Francisco Chronicle. Why would San Francisco, California make propaganda against India. What beef does that city have with India?

It is just the opinion of Mr.Rafiq Dossani. I don't think the rest of San Francisco cares. Mr. Dossani is welcome to his opinion though it seems more than a little scatterbrained to suggest that the situation in India & Egypt are similar. Mr. Dossani also seems not to take into account partition & its effects on the population. If people however do find inspiration in what happened with Egypt, so be it. Peaceful protests are always welcome though I would suggest that Muslims in India look within to solve their problem & work with the rest of their countrymen/women to solve them.
 
What utter nonsense, the dip in the economic status of Indian Muslims post Independence was a result of most of the upper class and middle class Muslims running away to Pakistan with not as much as a glance at their poorer brethren who lacked the means to undertake the journey to the 'Land of the pure'. That is the fact and everything else is mere propaganda.

Anyway, are the Indian Muslims really so badly off? Well they don't blow up each others at regular intervals as their western counterparts do. Now that is not so bad is it?

Agreed, inequalities, wherever they exist today have to be addressed. Indian Muslims are as much Indians as are other Indians. Their concerns have to be addressed. But we do not need to be told what to do by our neighbors. The way I see it, Pakistan has greater problems on its hands than we have. It is best that the Pakistani sympathizers of the Indian Muslims spend more time in rectifying the anomalies in their own society than worrying about India's Muslims who are all Indian citizens.

Regards.

Suicide bombing is part of hindu culture, it was first introduced in south asia by Hindu LTTE trained by indian RAW in 70's/ 80's, If you are going insult malign islam by calling muslim terrorist first take a look at your own religion.

Not to forget the biggest terrorist Shivaji who introduced guerilla fighting blowing up innocent people who sided with mughal emperors.
 
What utter nonsense, the dip in the economic status of Indian Muslims post Independence was a result of most of the upper class and middle class Muslims running away to Pakistan with not as much as a glance at their poorer brethren who lacked the means to undertake the journey to the 'Land of the pure'. That is the fact and everything else is mere propaganda.

Anyway, are the Indian Muslims really so badly off? Well they don't blow up each others at regular intervals as their western counterparts do. Now that is not so bad is it?

Agreed, inequalities, wherever they exist today have to be addressed. Indian Muslims are as much Indians as are other Indians. Their concerns have to be addressed. But we do not need to be told what to do by our neighbors. The way I see it, Pakistan has greater problems on its hands than we have. It is best that the Pakistani sympathizers of the Indian Muslims spend more time in rectifying the anomalies in their own society than worrying about India's Muslims who are all Indian citizens.

Regards.

Where did Pakistanis come in this topic? This article is from the San Francisco Chronicle and the author himself is Indian Muslim (not a Pakistani).

More about the author:

Rafiq Dossani, PhD
Senior Research Scholar; Executive Director, South Asia Initiative

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Rafiq Dossani is a senior research scholar at Stanford University's Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center (Shorenstein APARC) and erstwhile director of the Stanford Center for South Asia. His research interests include South Asian security, government, and business. He is currently undertaking projects on regional integration, innovation in outsourcing, engineering education, access to capital, and entrepreneurship in information technology in the South Asian subcontinent. His most recent book is Does South Asia Exist?, published in 2010 by Shorenstein APARC. Earlier books include India Arriving, published in 2007 by AMACOM Books/American Management Association (reprinted in India by McGraw-Hill, 2008, and in China by Oriental Publishing House, 2009); Prospects for Peace in South Asia (co-edited with Henry Rowen), published in 2005 by Stanford University Press; and Telecommunications Reform in India, published in 2002 by Greenwood Press.

Dossani currently chairs FOCUS USA, a non-profit organization that supports emergency relief in the developing world. Between 2004 and 2010, he was a trustee of Hidden Villa, a non-profit educational organization in the Bay Area.

Dossani earlier worked for the Robert Fleming Investment Banking group, first as CEO of its India operations and later as head of its San Francisco operations. He has also been the chairman and CEO of a stockbroking firm on the OTCEI stock exchange in India, the deputy editor of Business India Weekly, and a professor of finance at Pennsylvania State University. He holds a BA in economics from St. Stephen's College, New Delhi, India; an MBA from the Indian Institute of Management, Calcutta, India; and a PhD in finance from Northwestern University.

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"India's Muslims declined from a middle-tier economic position at the time of the country's independence in 1947 to the bottom of the ladder over the subsequent six decades."

madrassa schooling can't get them to any economic position ....isn't it is as simple as it..
 
This should be in stupid and funny from all over the world thread.

What inspiration, they want to get. Rarely we see any peace at any place where muslim majority.
 
I think Indian Muslims are looking at the state of Coptic Christians in Egypt and thinking they are better off in India.

Official discrimination

What a brainwashed idiot!!! A scholar will atleast say the discrimination is unofficial; as officially, i.e. in law, there is none and he won't be able to prove it. But of course, why prove stuff that the intended audience will lap up religiously anyways?
 
Suicide bombing is part of hindu culture, it was first introduced in south asia by Hindu LTTE trained by indian RAW in 70's/ 80's, If you are going insult malign islam by calling muslim terrorist first take a look at your own religion.

Not to forget the biggest terrorist Shivaji who introduced guerilla fighting blowing up innocent people who sided with mughal emperors.

shivaji was not a terrorist he was a king read some history,you favourite aurangzeb could not even kill him when he was in delhi so much for the mighty mughal aurangzeb he didnt dare attack deccan after shivajis coronation
 
^^If this guy wants empowerment of his community in India, instead of writing articles just come back to India and work for the society.
 

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