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As India and China resume their stalled boundary talks on Monday, a candid political conversation on Tibet and the promotion of economic cooperation across the Indo-Tibetan frontier could help in the better management of their long-running territorial dispute and its eventual resolution.

While there are profound sensitivities on the issue, Delhi and Beijing understand that the territorial dispute is inextricably intertwined with the Tibet question.


Restoring the traditional commercial exchanges and intensifying people-to-people contact between India’s Gangetic plain and Tibet, it stands to reason, could transform the context of the boundary negotiations.

In the last few days, Delhi and Beijing have made some efforts to generate a positive atmosphere for the 15th round of the negotiations on the boundary dispute that began nearly a decade ago but have meandered among a series of diplomatic skirmishes in recent years.

National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon showed up at the Chinese embassy in Delhi earlier this month to underline the strong commitment of the UPA government to elevate the bilateral relationship with Beijing.

China’s state councillor Dai Bingguo presented himself at the Indian embassy in Beijing and reciprocated the sentiment last week. Menon and Dai are top advisers on foreign policy to the political leadership in Delhi and Beijing and are the Special Representatives for the boundary negotiations.

This diplomatic orchestration appears to have set the stage for a more productive round of negotiations. Menon and Dai are expected to announce the formation of a new mechanism at the ground level to reinforce the political will in both capitals to preserve peace and tranquility.

While many other confidence building measures are on the anvil, there is no issue between India and China that calls for greater mutual understanding than Tibet. Tibet-related issues have for long poisoned the bilateral negotiations on the boundary dispute.

At the end of last November, the 15th round of the negotiations had to be postponed because it coincided with an international conference in Delhi on Buddhism in which the Dalai Lama was participating. The dialogue, rescheduled for this week, was nearly derailed when Beijing denied a visa to an Indian Air Force officer hailing from Arunachal Pradesh. China claims that the entire state of Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of Tibet and China.


China’s issue of stapled visas to Indian citizens from Jammu & Kashmir and government officials serving in the state saw Delhi suspend military exchanges in 2010. Delhi hinted that if China did not recognise India’s sovereignty over Kashmir, India might have to rethink its support to the proposition that Tibet is part of China:bunny:. Despite the challenges it has posed, Beijing and Delhi have found it difficult to talk about Tibet. For China it is an internal issue and Beijing is naturally reluctant to discuss it with a third party. India says the Tibet Autonomous Region is a part of China and it is upto the Chinese and Tibetan leaders to resolve their differences.:tup:

But the presence of the Dalai Lama and more than 100,000 Tibetan refugees on Indian soil inevitably brings India into the picture. Barring a small section of Jammu & Kashmir that shares a border with the Xinjiang province, Delhi’s long and contested frontier with Beijing is largely about separating Indian and Chinese sovereignties on the edges of Tibet.

The situation gets more complicated when there is restiveness in Tibet. It is not surprising that the sporadic internal protests in Tibet since 2008 have coincided with political instability in Sino-Indian relations. The direct negotiations between the representatives of the Dalai Lama and the Chinese government have also stalled in this period.

Opening a quiet Sino-Indian conversation on Tibet and expanding positive engagement on the Tibetan frontier, then, makes practical sense for Delhi and Beijing.

There are possibilities at hand to deepen commercial exchanges on the border. The current border trade mechanism at Nathu La between Sikkim and Tibet is under-utilised and the two sides could consider facilitating deepening trade exchanges. Delhi and Beijing should also consider re-opening the old trade route between Kalimpong (West Bengal) and Lhasa (Tibet) through the Jelepla pass and the Chumbi valley.:tup:

Linking China’s improved transport infrastructure in Tibet with the rail and road networks on the Indian side could be a bold move. A move in that direction could act as a much needed political spur for the rapid modernisation of infrastructure on the Indian side.

India and China could also consider a coordinated effort to develop the many pilgrimage sites on either side of the Tibetan frontier and provide a big boost to religious tourism.

The writer is a senior fellow at the Centre for Policy Research, Delhi
 
Very interesting side game going in that part of the world. I just read that India worked very hard in getting the US to open up with Burma and that now the US is going full speed ahead because Burma has decided to release its dissenters. This should be a great plus for India too, in terms of national security. I can almost guarantee that we will have some level of military involvement with Burma and India will be a partner too.
 
Well Everything goes well.

The indians have succeeded to persuade Burma to remain neutral if not join the US camp. Let's see if the indians can persuade China to give up its claims on Aksai Chin, Tibet and South Tibet! I must admit that the indians are truly the masters of deceit.
 
The indians have succeeded to persuade Burma to remain neutral if not join the US camp. Let's see if the indians can persuade China to give up its claims on Aksai Chin, Tibet and South Tibet! I must admit that the indians are truly the masters of deceit.

Is this the same Indians that gave you your independence? I was not aware Bangladeshi's had ill will towards india. Had it not been for them you would not have your flags or your freedom
 
The indians have succeeded to persuade Burma to remain neutral if not join the US camp. Let's see if the indians can persuade China to give up its claims on Aksai Chin, Tibet and South Tibet! I must admit that the indians are truly the masters of deceit.

I very much doubt that any of those things will actually happen. :no:

Is this the same Indians that gave you your independence? I was not aware Bangladeshi's had ill will towards india. Had it not been for them you would not have your flags or your freedom

Spoken like a true Indian. :lol:
 
Very interesting side game going in that part of the world. I just read that India worked very hard in getting the US to open up with Burma and that now the US is going full speed ahead because Burma has decided to release its dissenters. This should be a great plus for India too, in terms of national security. I can almost guarantee that we will have some level of military involvement with Burma and India will be a partner too.
national security is a kind of joke in India, we dont have anything like that, a bunch of soldiers from red army infiltrate our borders and destroys a temporary wall, can Indian soldiers do the same??? no sir, and then we claim for our sovereignty.
and pls dont hide ur vested interest behind Indian interest cloak, u want to contain china, pls do it urself coz all u care is for a chance to struck an arms deal with Vietnam, Burma and all other nation who have got even a slightest dispute wit the dragons like u r selling ur toys of destruction to Arabs and Israel both practically acting against each other from decades.
 
national security is a kind of joke in India, we dont have anything like that, a bunch of soldiers from red army infiltrate our borders and destroys a temporary wall, can Indian soldiers do the same??? no sir, and then we claim for our sovereignty.
and pls dont hide ur vested interest behind Indian interest cloak, u want to contain china, pls do it urself coz all u care is for a chance to struck an arms deal with Vietnam, Burma and all other nation who have got even a slightest dispute wit the dragons like u r selling ur toys of destruction to Arabs and Israel both practically acting against each other from decades.

Our vested interest only lends positives in that region for india simply because of what you stated, India is not aggressive nor does it have the stature militarily yet to take on china . However it is seeing china's bullying ways . Why fight them when we are willing to jump in in front to take them on. I would also not call India devoid of foreign policy after Afghanistan, south china sea and now Burma. I'm sure all these military pacts with Japan, Vietnam etc. are not just something that landed in your laps. Btw would you not sell your bhramos to israel and Saudi Arabia?
 
Lets face it China recognized Sikkim as part of India we recognized Tibet as part of China, fair deal I think.
 
As India and China resume their stalled boundary talks on Monday, a candid political conversation on Tibet and the promotion of economic cooperation across the Indo-Tibetan frontier could help in the better management of their long-running territorial dispute and its eventual resolution.

While there are profound sensitivities on the issue, Delhi and Beijing understand that the territorial dispute is inextricably intertwined with the Tibet question.


Restoring the traditional commercial exchanges and intensifying people-to-people contact between India’s Gangetic plain and Tibet, it stands to reason, could transform the context of the boundary negotiations.

In the last few days, Delhi and Beijing have made some efforts to generate a positive atmosphere for the 15th round of the negotiations on the boundary dispute that began nearly a decade ago but have meandered among a series of diplomatic skirmishes in recent years.

National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon showed up at the Chinese embassy in Delhi earlier this month to underline the strong commitment of the UPA government to elevate the bilateral relationship with Beijing.

China’s state councillor Dai Bingguo presented himself at the Indian embassy in Beijing and reciprocated the sentiment last week. Menon and Dai are top advisers on foreign policy to the political leadership in Delhi and Beijing and are the Special Representatives for the boundary negotiations.

This diplomatic orchestration appears to have set the stage for a more productive round of negotiations. Menon and Dai are expected to announce the formation of a new mechanism at the ground level to reinforce the political will in both capitals to preserve peace and tranquility.

While many other confidence building measures are on the anvil, there is no issue between India and China that calls for greater mutual understanding than Tibet. Tibet-related issues have for long poisoned the bilateral negotiations on the boundary dispute.

At the end of last November, the 15th round of the negotiations had to be postponed because it coincided with an international conference in Delhi on Buddhism in which the Dalai Lama was participating. The dialogue, rescheduled for this week, was nearly derailed when Beijing denied a visa to an Indian Air Force officer hailing from Arunachal Pradesh. China claims that the entire state of Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of Tibet and China.


China’s issue of stapled visas to Indian citizens from Jammu & Kashmir and government officials serving in the state saw Delhi suspend military exchanges in 2010. Delhi hinted that if China did not recognise India’s sovereignty over Kashmir, India might have to rethink its support to the proposition that Tibet is part of China:bunny:. Despite the challenges it has posed, Beijing and Delhi have found it difficult to talk about Tibet. For China it is an internal issue and Beijing is naturally reluctant to discuss it with a third party. India says the Tibet Autonomous Region is a part of China and it is upto the Chinese and Tibetan leaders to resolve their differences.:tup:

But the presence of the Dalai Lama and more than 100,000 Tibetan refugees on Indian soil inevitably brings India into the picture. Barring a small section of Jammu & Kashmir that shares a border with the Xinjiang province, Delhi’s long and contested frontier with Beijing is largely about separating Indian and Chinese sovereignties on the edges of Tibet.

The situation gets more complicated when there is restiveness in Tibet. It is not surprising that the sporadic internal protests in Tibet since 2008 have coincided with political instability in Sino-Indian relations. The direct negotiations between the representatives of the Dalai Lama and the Chinese government have also stalled in this period.

Opening a quiet Sino-Indian conversation on Tibet and expanding positive engagement on the Tibetan frontier, then, makes practical sense for Delhi and Beijing.

There are possibilities at hand to deepen commercial exchanges on the border. The current border trade mechanism at Nathu La between Sikkim and Tibet is under-utilised and the two sides could consider facilitating deepening trade exchanges. Delhi and Beijing should also consider re-opening the old trade route between Kalimpong (West Bengal) and Lhasa (Tibet) through the Jelepla pass and the Chumbi valley.:tup:

Linking China’s improved transport infrastructure in Tibet with the rail and road networks on the Indian side could be a bold move. A move in that direction could act as a much needed political spur for the rapid modernisation of infrastructure on the Indian side.

India and China could also consider a coordinated effort to develop the many pilgrimage sites on either side of the Tibetan frontier and provide a big boost to religious tourism.

The writer is a senior fellow at the Centre for Policy Research, Delhi

If Talks go well it seems both sides will benefit.
 
I have been to the Tibetan Region a couple of times planning to go in a couple months, there is a road near the Border with India it's blocked however a local told me there was talks that India wanted it open for Trade on it's border regions.
 
I have been to the Tibetan Region a couple of times planning to go in a couple months, there is a road near the Border with India it's blocked however a local told me there was talks that India wanted it open for Trade on it's border regions.

As long as they pay the tax.
 

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