"I'm a victim of racism in India": North Eastern state Mizoram Chief Minister

[Communist]

@ SindoIndus,



Dont answer Indians. We are not answerable to them.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

China is more diverse than India? I highly doubt that.

China is more ethnically diverse, but the people get along better.

India is less ethnically diverse, but more divided by state/religion/tribes/language.

This is not a judgement. India before the British Raj grouped together various groups. That is why there are no language that occupies >50%. India's history is shorter, even King Asok and the Mughals only had loose control over a fraction of the scattered kingdoms and fiefdoms that comprise modern-day India. Yes, it is possible in the near future India will develop a unified identity, but first caste, religious, regional, language and ethnic discrimination needs to drastically reduce. I look forward to the day India becomes unified and harmonious.

 

[Nemesis]

No, China is not ethnically more diverse. India is the most diverse nation on earth. Whether this be in terms of ethnicity, language, religion, etc. A north Indian is different from someone from the south who is different from someone from the north east who is different from the tribes that live on the andaman and nicobar islands.

The reason for this diversity is that India has had a history of being invaded throughout history. From the aryans many centuries ago (although this is contested by some historians) to the Brits/French/Portuguese.

 

[afriend]

Neither do they claim themselves to be Indians.

Manipur group rejects idea of India

Manipur group rejects idea of India

UNLF camp (India-Myanmar border): The Manipur People's Army has been resisting Operation All Clear launched by the Indian security forces in October 2003.

CNN-IBN Special Investigation Team traveled to the Manipur People's Army camps in south east Manipur to understand what motivates the guerilla force.

Getting to UNLF is a long, difficult trek, four days into dense forested hills, bamboo jungles, escorted by cadres of the UNLF's armed force.

The operational headquarters of 293rd battalion of the Manipur People's Army demonstrates the extent of territory that the UNLF controls over the south-eastern part of Manipur.

The UNLF controls Ukhrul in the East, Chandel in the south east and Churachandpur in South Manipur.

For the UNLF rebels, war with the Indian army is all about fighting for their cause of freedom.

The UNLF contends that the Merger Agreement signed in 1949 between Maharaja Bodh Chandra Singh and the Advisor to the Government V P Menon, was flawed.

“From 1947 to 1948, to be precise 15 October, 1949, the day India annexed Manipur, Manipur was an independent country. That's how it all began - the conflict - the genesis of the Manipur-India conflict,” says UNLF Chairman Sanayaima.

The conflict shows no signs of slowing down, drawing youngsters like Chinjacha - a former national kickboxing champion - into a bloody battle with the Indian army.

“I was a good martial art player. I was a kick boxer and I won three or four medals at the state level and also at national level,” says Chinjacha.

Strangely, the man who leads Manipur's violent secessionist movement once believed in the idea of India.

“I grew up and I thought that I'm an Indian - when I was in school and I thought of myself in that environment. But when I began to grow and reach the level of college & I gradually realized that India is something different from what we are,” says Sanayaima.

Alienation drives these young guerillas.

This unpaid army is high on morale and can fight for years, making it increasingly clear that there can be no military solution to Manipur' s hidden war.

(With Rohit Khanna and Rajesh Bhardwaj)

Same can be said about other NE states. In Nagaland, a ceasefire is still there between the Indian army and the independent Naga army called the National Socialist Council of Nagalim (Isak–Muivah), or NSCN(I-M).


An NSCN(I-M) soldier with his M16 rifle at the group’s central headquarters.

Rebel rule


NSCN (I-M) cadres at their headquarters at Hebron 40 km from Dimapur.

Now do not take those soldiers as Indian army soldiers. NE is now in a semi-Independent status. Not fully independent.


Still, those who do not want to accept the truth, I ask them, grow up baby, enough with milk, now its time to chew the meat.

I wanted to thank your for the article.. but i didnt click the thanks button because of the language you used in the end..!!!

And this is what i am talking about, ALIENATION. if the common man in other parts of india dont take NE people into their fold as their own accept them to our culture then they will go more away from us. Its high time that we indians think about it and reform ourselves. And i will no way blame the Indian government, because they can only run according to the constitution, but the common man who love their country and at the same time are ignorant about feelings and the culture of North east people.

 

[Communist]

I wanted to thank your for the article.. but i didnt click the thanks button because of the language you used in the end..!!!

And this is what i am talking about, ALIENATION. if the common man in other parts of india dont take NE people into their fold as their own accept them to our culture then they will go more away from us. Its high time that we indians think about it and reform ourselves. And i will no way blame the Indian government, because they can only run according to the constitution, but the common man who love their country and at the same time are ignorant about feelings and the culture of North east people.

First of all, thank you so much for not thanking me. I do not also want to get thanks from Indians. In fact, getting cheap thanks is not my objective.

The North East was never a part of mainland India. They are different from the Indians racially or ethnically, Geo-culturally and in mind set. As oil and water cannot be mixed, the North East Chinese people and the mainland Indians can never be mixed.

I know Indians want to snatch their lands away from them and thats why Indians try to accommodate them into the mainstream. But they are not that stupid, though Indians perceive them so considering their look. Let me tell you, you think a man who has small eyes and slightly flat nose is stupid, but science says its actually the size of cranium which matters in case of intelligence.

What I want to say that you alone cannot determine the attitude of all your Indian brothers and sisters who inflict racist treatment on the North East Indian Chinese people. And of course you cannot change the attitude of the masses. Therefore, when a North East Chinese comes to your India, he experiences the brutal racist treatment and consequently he becomes more furious and feels highly alienated which he might not have experienced in his homeland. He returns home and shares his bitter experiences with his friends and family members. Thus your theory of accommodation to remove the sense of alienation is a boomerang.

Now you cannot wipe out the entire masses of the North East. Either you need to use a nuclear bomb or something like that. Though I personally think GoI can even go to that extent because I know how ferocious its nature is. And if you do not want to wipe out them, then this problem will continue as before.

But mixing of oil and water is not possible. They have been made in that way.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

For all the remarks of how superior or super-brainy or smart.....

 

[afriend]

First of all, thank you so much for not thanking me. I do not also want to get thanks from Indians. In fact, getting cheap thanks is not my objective.

The North East was never a part of mainland India. They are different from the Indians racially or ethnically, Geo-culturally and in mind set. As oil and water cannot be mixed, the North East Chinese people and the mainland Indians can never be mixed.

I know Indians want to snatch their lands away from them and thats why Indians try to accommodate them into the mainstream. But they are not that stupid, though Indians perceive them so considering their look. Let me tell you, you think a man who has small eyes and slightly flat nose is stupid, but science says its actually the size of cranium which matters in case of intelligence.

What I want to say that you alone cannot determine the attitude of all your Indian brothers and sisters who inflict racist treatment on the North East Indian Chinese people. And of course you cannot change the attitude of the masses. Therefore, when a North East Chinese comes to your India, he experiences the brutal racist treatment and consequently he becomes more furious and feels highly alienated which he might not have experienced in his homeland. He returns home and shares his bitter experiences with his friends and family members. Thus your theory of accommodation to remove the sense of alienation is a boomerang.

Now you cannot wipe out the entire masses of the North East. Either you need to use a nuclear bomb or something like that. Though I personally think GoI can even go to that extent because I know how ferocious its nature is. And if you do not want to wipe out them, then this problem will continue as before.

But mixing of oil and water is not possible. They have been made in that way.

Well you have answered your own questions, you and i live in opposite ends of the spectrum, i see the water half full and you see it is half empty.. that is the only difference.

You are questioning the concept of India, which every inconsequential person who hates India do, You may also note that i as a southie is does look completely different from a northie, doesnt mean that only a country with similar looking faces or races can co-exists, and your comments purely amounts or shows a racist mentality.

And instead of preaching breaking up things, i would suggest you to preach something called peacefull co-existance for a change, and yes its harder than breaking up, but really worth it.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

Why do so many Indians have this 'persecution complex'? We want our territory back, not break up India. From what I can tell Pakistan only wants Kashmir back and they would be happy with the current boundary. Co-existence is possible ONLY if all parts are sincere about it.

Then this leads to the next challenge: India's out-of-control population growth. A large population is both a strength and a liability - how do you feed/employ so many people? This too can be solved by emmigration to Europe, Africa, America, etc. But for them to accept us we need to be good guests. Human migration is natural over time.

 

[Communist]

Well you have answered your own questions, you and i live in opposite ends of the spectrum, i see the water half full and you see it is half empty.. that is the only difference.

You are questioning the concept of India, which every inconsequential person who hates India do, You may also note that i as a southie is does look completely different from a northie, doesnt mean that only a country with similar looking faces or races can co-exists, and your comments purely amounts or shows a racist mentality.

And instead of preaching breaking up things, i would suggest you to preach something called peacefull co-existance for a change, and yes its harder than breaking up, but really worth it.

Who does not want peace? But peace can be restored when everyone is allowed to live with equal freedom, respect and dignity. If someone or a group is deprived of any of those three basic rights, it is natural that they will retaliate.

You claim to be a southie. Good. Have you forgotten your own past? Have you forgotten how Dravidians were killed and enslaved by the Hindu Aryans. Read Ramayana once again. See how the dark skinned Dravidian people have been described as demons or monsters there.

You have have a weak memory, but that does not mean everyone has a weak memory.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Afriend, people filled with hate will not understand what you are saying. Communism does not call for states based on race, neither does democracy, for example chinese too have some turcik people, why does not china set them free? or in pakistan the pathans are a different race, so? the idiots here will keep changing their arguments from race / religion / history / topography etc etc, whatever suits them, the idea is to just flame pathetic losers that they are.

In their own propoganda language 'they are despicable splittists who are wolves in sheeps clothing' They will be dealt with the way they deserve.

 

[afriend]

Why do so many Indians have this 'persecution complex'? We want our territory back, not break up India. From what I can tell Pakistan only wants Kashmir back and they would be happy with the current boundary. Co-existence is possible ONLY if all parts are sincere about it.

I was responding to the specific comments of Mr. Communist regarding people from multiple races cannot co-exists. Which essentialy means only one thing, break it up.

Hence for your information there is no complex, because all those persecution crap or break up India whines..don't bother or intimidate us or atleast me, because we have confidence in our beliefs and are well educated and informed people and any irrational comments are taken in the right sense it deserves..!!

Then this leads to the next challenge: India's out-of-control population growth. A large population is both a strength and a liability - how do you feed/employ so many people? This too can be solved by immigration to Europe, Africa, America, etc. But for them to accept us we need to be good guests. Human migration is natural over time.

Well, your solutions sounds scary, as per your solution i see India china where people are growing like termites and eating out the spaces of other people..!!! Brother solution is not mass migration, solution is education..!!!

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

I was responding to the specific comments of Mr. Communist regarding people from multiple races cannot co-exists. Which essentialy means only one thing, break it up.

Hence for your information there is no complex, because all those persecution crap or break up India whines..don't bother or intimidate us or atleast me, because we have confidence in our beliefs and are well educated and informed people and any irrational comments are taken in the right sense it deserves..!!



Well, your solutions sounds scary, as per your solution i see India china where people are growing like termites and eating out the spaces of other people..!!! Brother solution is not mass migration, solution is education..!!!

Even Europe had to 'export' their excess people to Asia, Americas and elsewhere. If all whites went back to Europe their population will be around 1 billion. Even now they have massive challenges with food, resources, employment, space. Education will only get you so far, what practical steps should we take? Ignoring the problem won't make it disappear.

 

[Communist]

Even Europe had to 'export' their excess people to Asia, Americas and elsewhere. If all whites went back to Europe their population will be around 1 billion. Even now they have massive challenges with food, resources, employment, space. Education will only get you so far, what practical steps should we take? Ignoring the problem won't make it disappear.

They will never understand man, they will never realize the true issues. You will be tired. You will be frustrated. It is just impossible to make them understand. You can make all the non-Indians understand, but not Indians. Impossible.

 

[afriend]

Even Europe had to 'export' their excess people to Asia, Americas and elsewhere. If all whites went back to Europe their population will be around 1 billion. Even now they have massive challenges with food, resources, employment, space. Education will only get you so far, what practical steps should we take? Ignoring the problem won't make it disappear.

Well your practical step of mass migration of a half or the qter of one billion people to other countries do you think that is practical..!!!!! Well i don think so, well ofcourse if the entire world is ruled by A country your plan might work Only long term solution is education and sustained and uniform growth.

 

[paritosh]

First of all, thank you so much for not thanking me. I do not also want to get thanks from Indians. In fact, getting cheap thanks is not my objective.

you are blinded in your hate of us.

The North East was never a part of mainland India. They are different from the Indians racially or ethnically, Geo-culturally and in mind set. As oil and water cannot be mixed, the North East Chinese people and the mainland Indians can never be mixed.

see you can call people from chennai as southern chinese but it wont make a difference...all mongloids are not chinese.
do you even know of the demographics of the 'NEFA'?
do you even know how many of these 'chinese' are hindus?(there is little 'cultural' difference in people of one religion and a lot of 'geo' between people of two contrasting climates)
and even while the racial discrimination is going on...see any indian TV show and you'd see 'chinese' people singing and talking in hindi...i recollect how puzzled some of the pakistani forum memebers were when images of the gorkha regiment were posted on this forum...you pakistanis stereotype us as the hindi speaking punjabis/biharis and bengalis...you forget that we have a south and an east to.

I know Indians want to snatch their lands away from them and thats why Indians try to accommodate them into the mainstream. But they are not that stupid, though Indians perceive them so considering their look.

your hate speaking again man...you cant speak for us...save it for us.

Let me tell you, you think a man who has small eyes and slightly flat nose is stupid, but science says its actually the size of cranium which matters in case of intelligence.

wha???who thinks like that?i did not even know people perceive intelligence based on looks!

What I want to say that you alone cannot determine the attitude of all your Indian brothers and sisters who inflict racist treatment on the North East Indian Chinese people. And of course you cannot change the attitude of the masses. Therefore, when a North East Chinese comes to your India, he experiences the brutal racist treatment and consequently he becomes more furious and feels highly alienated which he might not have experienced in his homeland. He returns home and shares his bitter experiences with his friends and family members. Thus your theory of accommodation to remove the sense of alienation is a boomerang.

try to grasp this....your knowledge of india is both enhanced and constrained by the news you hear...see...read on the internet.I stay in Delhi...have a brother living in guahati ('NEFA')....trust me...i accept that some amount of racialist attitude exists...but that is the smaller picture...there are famous bollywood actors...sportsmen...political players...and army men from the north east...and delhi is full of people from the north east....now i know you'd not bash an eyelid before you post another inflammatory thread...but this is a pakistani forum...do as you like.

Now you cannot wipe out the entire masses of the North East. Either you need to use a nuclear bomb or something like that. Though I personally think GoI can even go to that extent because I know how ferocious its nature is. And if you do not want to wipe out them, then this problem will continue as before.

yeah we use nukes all the time communist...saves a lot of time.