right i'l try and put across ALL the points over here......
Yeah but what do you see being affordable to India? Technology would take its time. India tried its hand at spending money on technology, with the LCA. It's a blundering failure because its just not going to be inducted. The IAF even isn't so upbeat about it.
Basically India in the future is going to have plenty of Su-30s and one more new plane, either the F-18 or the new Mig29s. They still make it good since that combo restricts the PAF, even with the JF-17, new F-16s and the J-10s . But its nothing like the advantage IAF has today.
Dont u GET IT??? the LCA was the first plane....it was bound to be not as gd as teh rest...now BECAUSE OF THE TRAINING IN LCA, we can make OUR OWN planes that would be hell of a lot cheaper and save money.Damn, is that so bloody hard to explain that it does not F***ing MATTER if the LCA is a hit or not. We'r trying to make our OWN damn a/c. Pakistan CANNOT even DREAM to make its own aircraft....dont give the damn rhetoric that THE J-10 or JF-17 is Pakistani creation...all u did was give the damn money, its a chinese product...its a CHINESE plane, the same way we are starting to make an INDIAN plane. What you are doing with JF-17 or whatever NOW, we did AGES back with the Su-30MKI, and that is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better than the JF-17/J-10. Get it now? the LCA was not needed to be hit,it was needed to learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a completely NEW LEVEL in manufacturing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now the MRCA's that we induct most likely will be Mig 35! it will be modified so that its hell of a lot better than a regular Mig 35, a regular mig 35 can kick any F-16's a**. You say by the time we get the 200 MRCA's, u will already start deciding the 5th gen.....dammit...you will take as long as 5-10 years to induct your JF-17/J-10's and we are ALREADY DECIDING where to buy the 5th gen a/c's. Dont u see....we have A LOT OF MONEY...we are not limited like you that we need to wait till we get our planes to buy new ones. We can afford to BURN money on projects like LCA, if it gives us more training. We BUY all our stuff with ToT unlike YOU, so that incase of war we are NOT DEPENDENT on hte united states for the bloody spares.Stop moaning and saying PAF lost cuz of spares, etc etc....we dont care for that **** cuz we are prepared for such stuff.
Our squadron levels are DROPPING BECAUSE we are phasing out all our old planes and are buying these new ones instead which wil be better than any plane you CURRENTLY have. Whereas the PAF will GAIN in sqd level's BECAUSE it is getting new plnes as well as keeping OLD PLANES. If PAF also removed all its old planes, u would see that we are again WAAY ahead. Now, the bulk planes that we are buying can kill all your current aircrafts, so if u remove the old PAF planes as u very happily remove our old planes from your calculations while stating stuff, u see we still have the numerical advantage and because we are buying such excellent planes that alone can kill your current planes as well as one type of your future plane JF-17 i think, not J-10 as it is better(or maybe vice-verce as im not sure, which is better) and the QUALITATIVE or TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANTAGE IS ASTRONOMICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ON TOP OF THAT, we are already deciding NOW where to go for the 5th gen craft!...which u STATE u will think about by the time our MRCA's come in!!!!!
And we are also buying FORCE MULTIPLIERS....some of you say that your f-16's with erieye is invinceible or whatnot....what do u think our Phalcons will do while u send out your erieye's?? There is also the small fact of the Phalcons being the SUPERIOR AWACS by a GREAT DEAL than the Erieye. Dont even bother to dispute it...go read instead.
Now again, no matter how much wishing, fact is again Pakistan cannot buy teh same technologically advanced stuff as India, cuz it doesnt have as much money...Pakistan CANNOT buy decent numbers of Typhoon or Rafale...even by a miracle if it does, we will buy something BETTER to counter it...READ IT:
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=55484
there was same article in DID, but cant find the link now.
Do u think the Russians will become your frnds if we buy US stuff?? think again...selling old outdates engines is diff than selling cutting edge technology. US is keen to sell us stuff, doesnt mean we are stupid to constantly buy their stuff like you WITHOUT ToT. We dont just BUY things from Russia anymore,,,we DEVELOP cutting edge technology with JV's. That means Russia needs OUR PERMISSION TO SELL THAT STUFF ANYWHERE!
US will be kept happy with SOME orders of the MRCA...and the P-8 MMA....again...its a league different than the P3C's.
End result is that if u remove the current PAF oldies and the current IAF oldies...the PAF is going for the JF-17 and J-10, whereas we are going for the 200 MRCA's to replace respectively....not calculate...all of you are smart...you can see that we still get the old numerical advantage...
now factor in the fact that all our MRCA's will most likely beat both your new inductions or atleast one and give the fight to the other! Now factor in that apart from these we already have/operate and are buying MANY MANY MORE Su-30 MKI's that IS A 4.5 Gen a/c, that is wayy out of the league of BOTH your new planes(both a pitiable 4th gen).now factor in that we are already deciding to go for a JV for 5th gen plane with Russia....you see that the technological advantage has INCREASED. Now calculate our force multipliers-Phalcons...much much better than yours and we will buy in much more numbers than you as we have more MONEY...and the fact that we may get P-8MMA, again wayyyyyy out of league of P3C orions. Also contemplate the fact that we are gonna BUILD the 5th gen craft with Russia like the MKI's and u see that all the posts stating that the force difference is decreasing is FOOLISH. It is our ACM's job to constantly bug the government that we are short of planes and this and that to get MORE planes and equipment, so dont quote the article to me. Remove PAF old planes too. Oh i FORGOT...these MRCA's are again independent of thje Gorshkov that we aregetting with ANOTHER COMPLEMENT OF Mig 29K's.
also dont give the **** about pilot unrest...like i have said in my previous article about the aviation boom...we are damn short of pilots everywhere...so its natural for some AF pilots to want to shift...thats hell of a lot better than nothaving an aviation sector at ALL in your case...PIA banned from some EU countries i believe, safety prblems?? also bankruptcy?? Our pilots HAVE THE OPTION of going wherever they want...they dont so in pakistan.
read it:
http://www.pakistaniforces.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1520&page=6
fact of the matter is we have MUCH MUCH MUCH more money to burn on weapons than you have.We can burn money on LCA or whereever we please if we think it helps in future.And dont worry, the day Pakistan becomes techonologically capable to produce its own plane, it too will try and make its own LCA. Out next plane will be the one to watch for thee MCA.
And we spend a LESSER amount of our percentage GDP on defences. So all of those who give **** that India has this many poor people so gd its spendint so much on defence...it will kill the country...let me REMIND YOU...that we hav more poor people as we have more PEOPLE...we are also hell of a lot BIGGER...so OBVIOUSLY we will have more poor people...and the poverty levels have declined a LOT if u chk your stats...and say these stupid things to your own govt who spend a lot more than us wrt their GDP...
sorry for the outburst...but the amount of stupid stuff that was being written without even checking the facts got to me...pilot unrest, lack of supplies so india is therefore doomed.
