Haji Ali Dargah ruling is path-breaking as court relied on Constitution, not Quran or Hadiths

[Joe Shearer]

Ok in Islam it is written in religious text and also there is a jurispendece and practice of 1000 years that woman are given half the share in inheritance than men.

Even I guess the Muslim personal law code also has this. If some agitated Muslim woman feels jealous of non Muslim woman about not receiving equal share of the wealth, and if knocked the doors of the court, what would court do?

Disregard 1000 years of Allahs laws and just spit them in the dustbin or respect them and let them conintue without interfering?



Sufis are not really true Muslims. They make fool of Muslims and even non Muslims.

Islam is only qurand and Hadith. Sufis are shirk committing people. Be very careful. They are dangerous.

You are not clear. What would the complaint be? The court is not a chai-shop, and people cannot enter with some random complaint and tie everybody up in knots. What is the wrong that is to be undone?

What Indian safroni court says about Dalits in upper caste Hindu temples?

Whenever asked, it has said that all who follow the religion must be given equal access.

This is exactly what this charade was about. You think this Shrine and it's visiting rules are mentioned in Quran. As i said earlier some people are desperately trying to say that "they have over ruled something mentioned in Quran and Sunnah." When in real, Quran is beyond their grasp, they are just Islamophobic and looking for excuses to feel good.

I don't understand what your objection is. If a citizen is wronged and that wrong is undone, what business is it of anyone else? If a third party, not connected to the matter, jumps up and down and says that the party against whom the judgement went is a loser, who is stupid enough to listen to him? Except other losers?

 

[Loafer]

Yes.

The lady inspiring the Muslim ladies who moved the court is a Hindu, and has just won a major victory against a paternalistic Hindu temple. Haji Ali was the second instance. The third that they plan to take on is the Shabarimala temple.

Here, gloat.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...n-from-entering-temples-hc/article8414551.ece

If you meant Trupti Desai, after the Sabarimala verdict the lady ran away from the Haji Ali protest. Today she came out claiming credit just because unexpectedly high court decided to interfere in religion.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Interestingly religious book in this case doesn't deal with the antics people pull at shrines and all that. Most people at Shrines even do Shirk and Bidaat's which are not allowed in Islam. Moreover its not surprising how non-Muslims are trying to claim superiority over Muslims holy book, even thou it has nothing to do with this. One wonders, No?

No, one does not. You are building an elaborate case of Islamophobia where none exists.

 

[Loafer]

You are not clear. What would the complaint be? The court is not a chai-shop, and people cannot enter with some random complaint and tie everybody up in knots. What is the wrong that is to be undone?



Whenever asked, it has said that all who follow the religion must be given equal access.



I don't understand what your objection is. If a citizen is wronged and that wrong is undone, what business is it of anyone else? If a third party, not connected to the matter, jumps up and down and says that the party against whom the judgement went is a loser, who is stupid enough to listen to him? Except other losers?

Her charge would be I should receive equal inheritance just like non Muslim woman do citing equality clause.

 

[-xXx-]

The court interfered in the religion without using religious reference of Islam. Secularism is a joke today.

What happened to the promise that state will not interfere in religion?

Government has to now categorically apologise to Muslims and also remove secularism from India.

Allah is supreme not some paper constitution.

Supreme court is supreme which follow Indian constitution.

If any religion belittle any Indian citizen (here all muslim women), the law has obligation to act and reinstate the pride and respect of that citizen.

 

[Joe Shearer]

If you meant Trupti Desai, after the Sabarimala verdict the lady ran away from the Haji Ali protest. Today she came out claiming credit just because unexpectedly high court decided to interfere in religion.

So? She won in the Shani temple dispute.

 

[Loafer]

Supreme court is supreme which follow Indian constitution.

If any religion belittle any Indian citizen (here all muslim women), the law has obligation to act and reinstate the pride and respect of that citizen.

The same state has power to circumnavigate and kick the Supreme Courts all final and binding law in dustbin. Shah Bano.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It can be dangerous. This ruling. Muslim men may treat this as an interference in their religion.

Which Islamic text bans women from Dargahs btw ?

An obscure ruling was given by an obscure legal authority stating that it was improper (not forbidden) for women to go to the grave of a male saint. The Dargah Committee decided to take an extreme view and forbade women altogether. The court was not very impressed.

 

[-xXx-]

Dear Indian constitution only applies on minority? or upper class Hindu also obey court orders?

Your lack of understanding of Indian affairs is understandable.

Now many days back, the court in their ruling allow women to enter shani temple against all hue and cry from hindu priests.

Courts are ensuring women rights - hindus or muslims.

 

[Loafer]

So? She won in the Shani temple dispute.

She is a looser. Why did she withdraw from the protest against Islamic Haji Ali? What was the need? She could have very well continued.

But why did she ran away irrespective of outcome of high court judgment?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Her charge would be I should receive equal inheritance just like non Muslim woman do citing equality clause.

In matters of personal law, unless there is gross disparity or terrible injustice, the traditional law, the customary law stands. The court has just ruled that a Muslim may marry four times and all at the same time, rather than taking one wife at a time, divorcing her and then marrying a second time. Someone had challenged this.

Supreme court is supreme which follow Indian constitution.

If any religion belittle any Indian citizen (here all muslim women), the law has obligation to act and reinstate the pride and respect of that citizen.

Not the pride and respect, but the civil rights. The law is not about pride and respect, it is about right and wrong.

 

[pak-marine]

thumbs up .. to the court ruling and Bravo to the judges calling these fools heretics of civiliazation in this era idiots have such objections .. hipocrats dont call the food impure cooked by the same impure women

 

[Joe Shearer]

The same state has power to circumnavigate and kick the Supreme Courts all final and binding law in dustbin. Shah Bano.

And the same court then can turn around and interpret the new law in precisely the way it wishes, to give Muslim women a fair deal.

You are consisting telling half the story, and being provocative.

 

[-xXx-]

The same state has power to circumnavigate and kick the Supreme Courts all final and binding law in dustbin. Shah Bano.

That's why we hate appeasement politics of some parties. Such parties must be thrown in dustbin.

Anyways changes in any society should be gradual and not instantaneous. People will learn slowly.

Something done wrong in past don't legitimise the wrong in current.

 

[Joe Shearer]

She is a looser. Why did she withdraw from the protest against Islamic Haji Ali? What was the need? She could have very well continued.

But why did she ran away irrespective of outcome of high court judgment?

Now you are releasing a red herring.

This is not about Trupti Desai. This is about the rights of Muslim women to pray or to practise their religion in an equal manner. That right was upheld. What Trupti Desai did or did not do has no bearing on it. It is just that she started this movement against paternalistic managements of religious places.

Dear Indian constitution only applies on minority? or upper class Hindu also obey court orders?

Watch this space. The big battle is still ahead. The next agitation is at Shabarimalai