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GHQ embarrassed by White House - "No indication Afghan refugees in Pakistan have engaged in extremism"

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No it was not. It was part of the Sikh Empire until the British incorporated it.
Sikh empire. How many 100 miles area? Sikh occupied some part of area but not that big if we call it empire..
 
Told you so folks.

An American snake can never be trusted. Especially an American snake that has support of Pakistani generals. One big nasty cabal that needs to be broken ASAP.

Basically US is playing the same game that was played by ISI with US since last 20 year

The Americans aren't realising that despite the generals being cowards still have the ability to completely move into the China camp. Make no mistake. Pakistan is already in the Chinese camp, but such incredibly stupid remarks will push it over the line.

The irony is that a conflict between the US and the Pakistani generals suits us very well. We won't rest until Pakistan has fully shown papa America a big middle finger and moved into China camp.
 
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Not all of KPK was part of the Sikh Empire Wtf 😂

It was definately never part of Afghanistan, let alone Balochistan being part of Afghanistan. the Durand Line was drawn a sa line of control, not as a land annexing territory from the Afghan Emirate.
 
This is one more reason for “them” to allow actual free and fair elections, which would inevitably see IK return to power.

Under a second IK administration, after the nation makes the hard economic reforms it needs it, Pakistan could form a new understanding with Afghanistan with the help of the Central Asian nations and China.

IK could, with the right thought out agreement formed by economists, diplomats and think tanks, craft a long term agreement between the two nations, where they would recognize the border as the boundary between administration from Peshawar (which continues to swear allegiance to Islamabad) and the other side as administration from Kabul, but have in place agreements that allow free movement of people (with some restrictions for safety and smuggling), sharing business opportunities under the BRI, and rehabilitation financing.

De facto the Afghans know that whatever side the Pashtuns of KPK and Baluchistan stand with, the Afghans will have to respect, and at this crucial time, IK is the only personality that could make lasting peace between the two nations, not the least for his stance against the GWOT for the last 20+ years.

One concrete thing that could be done under IK, is issue each Afghan Refugee and their descendants in Pakistan an Afghan ID card, and offer them services the way Pakistani Citizens are offered services, but give them back a status of a citizen of a nation, Afghanistan. These Afghans wouldn’t be force to move back, but would be resident aliens of another nation residing in Pakistan; having a legal status. This would in a way help Afghanistan say it is no longer a country at war, with Refugees, and could move towards international recognition.

The sooner Pakistan recognizes them (after such a deal is made), and gets economic projects off the ground, the sooner more nations will recognize them, when they see the economic benefits of dealing with a nation with trillions in minerals and open for business.

What the Talibs seek most is legitimacy, and with IK as the honest face in front of our national interests, we could strike a hard bargain that allows Pakistan to leverage its advantages to form a lasting agreement. Retd. Gen. Tariq Khan could be the advisor to the PM on any deal from a military point of view. One that will be vital if a Trans-Afghan Railway is going to be of any use to Pakistan and it’s geo-strategic interests of marketing itself as the Gatekeeper of the only direct land route to Central Asia through a corridor friendly to western investors (outside of the influence of Russia, Iran, and China or the Caspian which Iran and/or Russia could threaten).

Beyond Afghanistan are the trillions more in resources in Central Asia. With the older generation of Soviet leaders of these Central Asian nations dying out or their protégés looking for new partners, now it the time for Western and GCC MNCs to move into Central Asia.


With the authority of a stable government in Islamabad, a stable government in Peshawar, and a stable government in Kabul, if coupled with a roadmap to international recognition, investment and support in wiping out Daesh, the Afghans could have an economy that would allow them to divest from smuggling of narcotics and other goods, and join the global resources trade, and move up the value added ladder. That could be a market in which Pakistani business could sell products as well, on preferential terms, with the right agreement between the two countries.

Pakistan and Afghanistan could also negotiate a mutual defense treaty if an agreement is formed, and thing go well for a few years, decreasing the need for money to be spend on border forces, and more on each other’s infrastructure, education and healthcare. All areas Pakistani companies could get more contracts in, paid for by the Afghans from their mineral wealth.

Ultimately, we need a deal that ends any perceived benefits certain Pashtun groups are trying to convince Afghans will be could gain by making irredentist claims but are just cover for their criminal smuggling behaviors (such as the TTP and Daesh). We need an economic plan for Afghans in Afghanistan and living in Pakistan for decades. One that benefits both nation and makes both nations interdependent and the border real but mostly a formality, like the US/Canadian Border.

We need the Afghan Taliban to delegitimize the TTP and any other group that may try to spring up to replace it.

Imran Khan never understood the threat of Al-Qaeda Network, an organization that was courting and funding TTA in the 1990s and Pakistani tribal groups that collectively formed TTP in 2007. Al-Qaeda Network was brainwashing and recruiting people for its terroristic causes.

US came to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network in the region and put pressure on Pakistan to dismantle Taliban groups in tandem. But Pakistan allowed TTA to rebuild itself and negotiate with TTP. Ex-COAS Raheel Sharif gave a good thrashing to TTP but it was able to regroup in TTA-controlled sectors in Afghanistan while Pakistani were busy bashing US-backed Afghan setup. Imran Khan allowed TTP to return to Pakistan. This policy of appeasement is why the War On Terror continues for Pakistan.

1. TTA supports TTP.
2. TTP demands removal of Pakistan Army from tribal regions.
3. Afghans do not accept Durand Line as border.
4. BLA is also able to find space to do its bidding.

How Pakistan can move forward from this mess and realize those wonderful goals you have in mind?

TTA will approve regional interconnectivity projects to the benefit of Afghanistan and not out of love for Pakistan. TTA wants to reduce dependence on Pakistan to meet Afghan economic needs.

Pakistan's (Alice in the Wonderland) Afghan policy has damaged US - Pakistan relations and India will benefit from this situation. Heck, TTA has invited India to complete its projects in Afghanistan.

Strategic depth, my friend.

Told you so folks.

An American snake can never be trusted. Especially an American snake that has support of Pakistani generals. One big nasty cabal that needs to be broken ASAP.



The Americans aren't realising that despite the generals being cowards still have the ability to completely move into the China camp. Make no mistake. Pakistan is already in the Chinese camp, but such incredibly stupid remarks will push it over the line.

The irony is that a conflict between the US and the Pakistani generals suits us very well. We won't rest until Pakistan has fully shown papa America a big middle finger and moved into China camp.

Why you blaming US in this matter? As if you do not know what was going on? See my post above.

You need to understand that Pakistan has to rebuild relations with the US. There are no alternatives to this market and power.

US has given Pakistan breathing space with recent IMF bailout package. It is due to this package that GOP is able to increase salary package of many people to help them cope with rising inflation.
 
Imran Khan never understood the threat of Al-Qaeda Network, an organization that was courting and funding TTA in the 1990s and Pakistani tribal groups that collectively formed TTP in 2007. Al-Qaeda Network was brainwashing and recruiting people for its terroristic causes.

US came to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network in the region and put pressure on Pakistan to dismantle Taliban groups in tandem. But Pakistan allowed TTA to rebuild itself and negotiate with TTP. Ex-COAS Raheel Sharif gave a good thrashing to TTP but it was able to regroup in TTA-controlled sectors in Afghanistan while Pakistani were busy bashing US-backed Afghan setup. Imran Khan allowed TTP to return to Pakistan. This policy of appeasement is why the War On Terror continues for Pakistan.

1. TTA supports TTP.
2. TTP demands removal of Pakistan Army from tribal regions.
3. Afghans do not accept Durand Line as border.
4. BLA is also able to find space to do its bidding.

How Pakistan can move forward from this mess and realize those wonderful goals you have in mind?

TTA will approve regional interconnectivity projects to the benefit of Afghanistan and not out of love for Pakistan. TTA wants to reduce dependence on Pakistan to meet Afghan economic needs.

Pakistan's (Alice in the Wonderland) Afghan policy has damaged US - Pakistan relations and India will benefit from this situation. Heck, TTA has invited India to complete its projects in Afghanistan.

Strategic depth, my friend.



Why you blaming US in this matter? As if you do not know what was going on? See my post above.

You need to understand that Pakistan has to rebuild relations with the US. There are no alternatives to this market and power.

US has given Pakistan breathing space with recent IMF bailout package. It is due to this package that GOP is able to increase salary package of many people to help them cope with rising inflation.

The United States is the root cause of many security related problems in Pakistan.

Pakistan is in China camp. China has always been Pakistan's best and most reliable ally. The US can keep cajoling India. Only a fool would ally with a backstabber like the US. It is due to US meddling in Afghanistan that Afghans are today destroying and burdening Pakistan. No wonder that the US snake is defending its assets.

I am glad that the Americans are revealing their venem again. It will put the stupid generals in their place.
 
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Why should Afghans accept an arbitrary border drawn by an occupying colonial power right in the middle of their heartland. Any self respect free nation would oppose it, but if you are a born sepoy slave then its a totally different story altogether.

Because the afghanis are trash who sold the land, area and people

They took MONEY for it,, why the hell would anyone give the area back to afghans?
 
Misleading statement to a misunderstood press conference. All fair in the fog of a dirty war.
 
The United States is the root cause of many security related problems in Pakistan.

Pakistan is in China camp. China has always been Pakistan's best and most reliable ally. The US can keep cajoling India. Only a fool would ally with a backstabber like the US. It is due to US meddling in Afghanistan that Afghans are today destroying and burdening Pakistan. No wonder that the US snake is defending its assets.

This is convenient blameshifting.

Pakistan's security challenges stem from attempting to bring Balochistan and FATA to the mainstream but tribals of these regions have a problem with this decision. Afghans also have a problem with Durand Line so tribals of these regions are able to find support in Afghanistan. Poor governance and smuggling are additional problems as deprived people do not have many opportunities to shift to honest means of living. Pakistan has no choice but to reform these lands.

Kashmir is yet another issue that hamper normalization of bilateral relations between India and Pakistan. But what is the point to this conflict when it has not gone anywhere and statusquo is maintained?

China is doing whatever it can for Pakistan but the country cannot put all of its eggs in one basket and call it a day. China is a manufacturing giant and numerous Pakistani businesses love to import stuff from China instead of focusing on in-house manufacturing. Just look at trade deficit statistics between Pakistan and China. This situation puts stress on Pakistan's economy and the country has to overrely on remittances to manage its economic situation and this is not a sustainable economic model.

Pakistan border two of the largest economies in the world and it still finds itself in such a predicament.

Perhaps a shift from appeasing extremists and militants, and conflicts, to productivity is needed to address Pakistan's economic problems.

US can also provide provide considerable business and inhouse manufacturing capability to Pakistan, but this won't happen with prevalence of mistrust and convenient blameshifting.

Pakistan also needs to fix its shitty energy infrastructure. All those expensive power plants built under CPEC... What is the output and benefit of these projects? There is still too much loadshedding. LESCO is also one of the most corrupt institutions of the country, it is not interested in improving its infrastructure. Loadshedding damage industry and hamper productivity.
 
Tissue paper is used and thrown in the garbage..
 
Americans know that ISI is doing these terror attacks in Pakistan and then blame
them on TTP or Afghan Taliban. They do this to ask for more dollars but Americans
have had enough of these beggars.
Bhaijaan aapki umer kitni hai
 
This is convenient blameshifting.

Pakistan's security challenges stem from attempting to bring Balochistan and FATA to the mainstream but tribals of these regions have a problem with this decision. Afghans also have a problem with Durand Line so tribals of these regions are able to find support in Afghanistan. Poor governance and smuggling are additional problems as deprived people do not have many opportunities to shift to honest means of living. Pakistan has no choice but to reform these lands.

Kashmir is yet another issue that hamper normalization of bilateral relations between India and Pakistan. But what is the point to this conflict when it has not gone anywhere and statusquo is maintained?

China is doing whatever it can for Pakistan but the country cannot put all of its eggs in one basket and call it a day. China is a manufacturing giant and numerous Pakistani businesses love to import stuff from China instead of focusing on in-house manufacturing. Just look at trade deficit statistics between Pakistan and China. This situation puts stress on Pakistan's economy and the country has to overrely on remittances to manage its economic situation and this is not a sustainable economic model.

Pakistan border two of the largest economies in the world and it still finds itself in such a predicament.

Perhaps a shift from appeasing extremists and militants, and conflicts, to productivity is needed to address Pakistan's economic problems.

US can also provide provide considerable business and inhouse manufacturing capability to Pakistan, but this won't happen with prevalence of mistrust and convenient blameshifting.

Pakistan also needs to fix its shitty energy infrastructure. All those expensive power plants built under CPEC... What is the output and benefit of these projects? There is still too much loadshedding. LESCO is also one of the most corrupt institutions of the country, it is not interested in improving its infrastructure. Loadshedding damage industry and hamper productivity.

The Pakistani generals have always sold themselves and the country very cheaply. The Americans have abused Pakistan on more than multiple occasions. Some things cannot be fixed and this is certainly one of them.

Both the US administrations and the Pakistani generals are for this reason and many others incredibly unpopular among the ordinary masses. The people are tired. The Americans along with their Pakistani generals need to stop fooling the people.
 

No indication Afghan refugees in Pakistan have engaged in extremism -White House​



Lolol
Pretty much army's own doing. They were cheerleading the fall of the Afghan Government a couple of years ago with Gen Faiz having tea party in Serena Kabul and then PTI led government congragulating the afghans on "breaking the shackles of slavery". TTP actually helped the Afghan Taliban with grabbing some crucial provinces so Afghan Talibans aren't gonna cut TTP loose. So TTP won't go away anytime soon. US will certainly settle some scores as now the developments in afghanistan are effectively none of their concern. The activities of TTP will certainly pick up as they've got a solid backing from Afghan Taliban and effectively areas under their complete control to run camps and train new jihadis. Talibans are the same, be it afghan taliban or be it TTP.
If army attacks their strongholds in Afghanistan, they can easily retaliate by increasing militancy in KP and Balochistan.
 
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The Pakistan Army is in no position to do anything - they have made a real hash of their poilitical engineering that has bought Pakistan to bankrupcy, this leaves Pakistan no political or economic room to be able to withstand poltiical pressure to take anything to the TTP.

Any action by Pakistan on TTP in Afghanistan will kick off a political storm as Pakistan will be blamed for further destablishing an unstable setup in Afghanistan.

You should not give it out, if you are not prepared to also take it.. A lesson the matric fail military duffers in GHQ are about to learn.

The Americans/West will enjoy this for sure - they have long memories ..
 
The Pakistan Army is in no position to do anything - they have made a real hash of their poilitical engineering that has bought Pakistan to bankrupcy, this leaves Pakistan no political or economic room to be able to withstand poltiical pressure to take anything to the TTP.

Any action by Pakistan on TTP in Afghanistan will kick off a political storm as Pakistan will be blamed for further destablishing an unstable setup in Afghanistan.

You should not give it out, if you are not prepared to also take it.. A lesson the matric fail military duffers in GHQ are about to learn.

The Americans/West will enjoy this for sure - they have long memories ..

Chup bloody civilian.

Faujeets know what to do.

@Signalian گدھے where are you
 
LOL so what explains Afghan terrorism against Pakistan decades BEFORE the American invasion?



"Their heartland?" lol are some Afghani poster? KP was never part of Afghanistan, a buffer state founded by the British.

Also what is Afghanistan doing holding on to the territories of other ethnic groups whom should break away:

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Hi,

Such an "innocent" comment from you---.

It is called " an adversary taking advantage of an existing situation "---.
 
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