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@Harisudan, Sir, else where on this forum, you claimed to be a former IAF pilot, who served with No 28 Squadron, flying MiG-29 Fulcrums out of Jamnagar. I have no dispute with that, however your bold claims towards the PAF did get my attention thus a reply was necessary. I must point out that like most members on the forum, i just sit on the computer but i have some contacts in the PAF. So when i conveyed your remarks to my contact, initially he wasn't interested in the kids fight with claims and counter claims as his profession is above and beyond this chest thumping, however, upon some persuasion, he decided to make some brief comments, hence, firstly let me quote your post. (Edited)
The bold claim of PAF not lasting more than a few days is very unprofessional like, for even the US didn't say that about Iraqi AF before the start of Dessert Storm. From it's past history and records, what does the IAF has to show for itself, the only time the IAF eventually managed to perform was in Kargil, that too after much help and input from certain countries and facing no aerial opposition and even then, resorting to high altitude bombings of designated areas. Albeit, PAF had no BVR capability during the Kargil conflict and IAF even awarded one of it's pilot for gaining a lock on a PAF aircraft from within it's own air space but you will seldom hear PAF boasting on what happened when a flight of Fulcrums jinxed and quickly exited the scene once they were made aware of Falcons presence by the Indian ground controller otherwise the IAF pilots were completely unaware of the Falcons trailing them.
Last time when some serious hostilities flared up is more commonly known as the 2002 stand off, which lasted for almost a year. I just happened to be visiting Pakistan in May June of that year, it was when an IAF Searcher-II UAV (of israeli origin) was shot down in the middle of night by the PAF. As a person on family holiday, i didn't think much of it but in due course it became obvious how serious was the situation during that summer. If you were indeed in the IAF then you would know and understand as to why PAF launched interceptors to shoot down the UAV, rather than taking it out with ground based systems. Many would be unaware of this but let me ask you, what transpired on the night of 28/29 June when the IAF was fully poised to launch attacks on Pakistan, if you don't believe me ask your superiors, that night, former PAF Air Chief and C in C, after issuing battle orders to the PAF, spent all night in the operation center to witness the battle.
What made the IAF stand down after all the preparations, did it smell fear, perhaps it was too shocked to find out that Falcons were already patrolling the secret corridors and IAF aircraft will be intercepted before they even cross the border or maybe it became aware of the order, which basically was do or die.
@Oscar @Horus @Hyperion @fatman17 @Icarus @Rashid Mahmood
Firstly, kindly enlighten us as what ability does the IAF possesses that you could actually see the Falcons taking off from within your own border ????... did you have satellites permanently rotating over PAF bases beaming live pictures to you or some hidden cameras perched around PAF airfields, even the AWACS pick up the adversary once it's airborne and then observes it's intentions before ordering a hot scramble or directing it's own fighters..!!! By disclosing that every time PAF Falcons took to the skies, your squadron would start patrolling in air.....you are indirectly admitting the threat PAF had installed in the minds of IAF. You were airborne regardless of the fact, whether PAF aircraft were on a training sortie, on exercise or merely on a ferry flight...the IAF felt compelled to start patrolling. !!
The bold claim of PAF not lasting more than a few days is very unprofessional like, for even the US didn't say that about Iraqi AF before the start of Dessert Storm. From it's past history and records, what does the IAF has to show for itself, the only time the IAF eventually managed to perform was in Kargil, that too after much help and input from certain countries and facing no aerial opposition and even then, resorting to high altitude bombings of designated areas. Albeit, PAF had no BVR capability during the Kargil conflict and IAF even awarded one of it's pilot for gaining a lock on a PAF aircraft from within it's own air space but you will seldom hear PAF boasting on what happened when a flight of Fulcrums jinxed and quickly exited the scene once they were made aware of Falcons presence by the Indian ground controller otherwise the IAF pilots were completely unaware of the Falcons trailing them.
Last time when some serious hostilities flared up is more commonly known as the 2002 stand off, which lasted for almost a year. I just happened to be visiting Pakistan in May June of that year, it was when an IAF Searcher-II UAV (of israeli origin) was shot down in the middle of night by the PAF. As a person on family holiday, i didn't think much of it but in due course it became obvious how serious was the situation during that summer. If you were indeed in the IAF then you would know and understand as to why PAF launched interceptors to shoot down the UAV, rather than taking it out with ground based systems. Many would be unaware of this but let me ask you, what transpired on the night of 28/29 June when the IAF was fully poised to launch attacks on Pakistan, if you don't believe me ask your superiors, that night, former PAF Air Chief and C in C, after issuing battle orders to the PAF, spent all night in the operation center to witness the battle.
What made the IAF stand down after all the preparations, did it smell fear, perhaps it was too shocked to find out that Falcons were already patrolling the secret corridors and IAF aircraft will be intercepted before they even cross the border or maybe it became aware of the order, which basically was do or die.
@Oscar @Horus @Hyperion @fatman17 @Icarus @Rashid Mahmood
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