Detailed Analysis of possible future aircraft of the BAF

[Zabaniyah]

As we know, BAF at the moment is considering the following fighters:
-MiG-29 SMT
-SU-30 (likely the MKK variant)
-Jas 39 Gripen
-F-16 Fighting Falcon

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/142561-bangladesh-china-ordered-16-f-7bgi-light-fighter.html

Okay, some analysis

First, our very own MiG-29:

Operating cost per hour is estimated to be at $5,500.

One-time cost per unit now stands at $30-$35 million as of 2011.

Note, currently 6 MiG-29SEs and 2 MiG-29UBs are in BAF service. Some sources say that total number is 10.

MiG-29SMT performance data:
Length: 17.32m
Wing span: 11.36m
Height: 4.73m

Takeoff weight:
-Normal: 17,000 kg
-Maximum: 22,000 kg

Maximum airspeed:
-Near ground: 1,500 km/h
-At altitude: 2400 km/h

Maximum mach: Mach 2.25

Service ceiling: 17,500 m

Maximum G-load: 9/9

Ferry range:
-Without drop tanks: 1,800 km
-With one drop tank: 2,400 km
-With three drop tanks: 3,000 km

Engines:
-2x RD-33
For more info on this engine, visit: http://en.klimov.ru/production/aircraft/RD-33-family/

Radar:
-Zhuk ME

The Phazotron NIIR Corporation's Zhuk is a family of advanced multifunctional multimode Doppler-pulse radars designed to provide air-to-air and air-to-surface combat modes for upgraded models of the Mig-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker aircraft families. Zhuk radars feature a maximum detection range from 110 to180 kilometers for airborne targets and 300 kilometers for sea targets. These radars can track and engage several targets simultaneously guiding sophisticated air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons. Zhuk family utilizes both steered and phased array antennas.

In the air-to-air mode, the Zhuk radar can provide guidance for the latest generation of Russian-made missiles such as R-77, R-73 and R-27 as well as detection of a wide spectrum of airborne targets including hovering helicopters. In addition, the Zhuk radar also provides weather information. In the air-to-surface mode, the radar provides a 3x3 meters resolution ground mapping and support for low-altitude navigation. In the air-to-sea mode, the radar system can detect a destroyer-sized target at ranges of 300 kilometers or a small target, such as a patrol boat, at 150 kilometers.

The Zhuk-ME features steered array radar antenna and is intended for the Mig-29 aircraft. It can detect airborne targets with a five square meter Radar Cross Section (RCS) at ranges of 110-120 kilometers in the forward hemisphere or 50 kilometers in the rear hemisphere while tracking 10 targets and engaging four of them simultaneously. It can track up to two ground/sea targets simultaneously. In the air-to-ground mode, the Zhuk-ME is capable of detecting armored formations at ranges of 25 kilometers and railway bridges at ranges of 120 kilometers.

To date, the Zhuk-ME radar system has been installed on the Mig-29K, Mig-29KUB, Mig-29SMT, Mig-29M, Mig-29M2 and Mig-29UMT aircraft replacing the N-019E radar which features a detection range of 80 kilometers against airborne targets.

Antenna Diameter: 624 mm

Weight: 220 kg (485 lb)

Performance:
-Max Detection Range 120 km (65 nm)
-Max Ground Detection Range 120 km (65 nm)
-Max Surface Detection Range 300 km (162 nm)
-Rear Hemisphere Detection Range 50 km (27 nm)
-Small Ground Target Detection Range 25 km (13 nm)
-Small Target Detection Range 150 km (81 nm)

Other: Engaged Aerial Targets 4, Tracked Aerial Targets 10, Tracked Surface Targets 2

Some general characteristics:

The airborne avionics of the MiG-29SMT aircraft is designed following the principle of open architecture on the basis of a mission computer with the data exchange multiplex channel (bus of MIL STD 1553B standard). It allows to install aboard the aircraft the new systems of Russian or foreign origin at the customer’s request.
– The cockpit data display system includes two new wide-screen MFD-10-6 multifunction color displays and realizes the HOTAS conception.
– INS-GPS navigation system is included into the navigation equipment.
– The aircraft is equipped with in-flight refuelling system.

Aircraft can be equipped with ECM system installed in pod. At the customer’s request the MiG-29SMT aircraft can be equipped with the upgraded IRSTS system as well as with radio-stations, navigation equipment and IFF transponders of different types.

More useful reading of the MiG-29 experiences with various air forces around the world, including Luftwaffe and IAF:
http://www.sci.fi/~fta/MiG-29-2b.htm

Weapons:
-Number of external weapon stations: 6/6

A2A missiles:
-Medium range:
>2xR-27ET1(T1)
>2xR-27ER1(R1)
>6xR-77

R-27ET1 Missile on SU-35:

-Seeker: Infrared-Red homing
-Acquisition range: 11 km - 15 km
-Kinematic range: 120 km
-Speed: Mach 2.5 - Mach 4.0 depending on conditions

R-27ER1:
-Seeker: Semi-active radar homing/data link/inertial measurement unit
-Acquisition range: ~30 km
-Kinematic range: 130 km
-Speed: Mach 2.5 - Mach 4.0 depending on conditions

R-77:

-Seeker: Semi-active radar homing/data link/inertial measurement unit
-Acquisition Range: 16 km
-Kinematic range: 100 km
-Speed: Mach 4.5 (estimated)

-Short range:
>6xR-73E/6xR-73E

R-73E missile:

-Seeker: Infra-Red homing
-Acquisition Range: 15 km
-Kinematic range: 30 km
-Speed: Mach 2.5 (estimated)

A2S missiles:
-2xKh-29TE
-2xKh-29L


Description:

The Kh-29L / Kh-29TE air-to-surface missiles are intended for engagement of visually observed hardened ground and surface targets, such as big railway and highway bridges, industrial installations,concrete runways, aircraft in reinforced concrete shelters, surface vessels displacing up to 10,000tons.
The missiles are the weapons for multi-role fighters and attack aircraft.
The Kh-29TE missile features passive TV guidance, and the Kh-29L – semi-active laser guidance by a reflected laser illumination spot. The missiles are fitted with a high explosive penetrating warhead and an impact target sensor. They are powered by a fixed-thrust solid-fuel rocket engine.

Kh-29TE:

-Launch range:
>Minimum: 3 km
>Maximum: 20-30

Missile launch weight: 690 kg
Warhead weight: 320 kg
Speed: Mach 1.2

Kh-29L:
-Launch range:
>Minimum: 3 km
>Maximum: 10 km

Missile launch weight: 660 kg
Warhead weight: 320 kg
Speed: Mach 1.2

Anti-ship missile devil:
-2xKh-31A

Description:

The Kh-31A high-speed airborne antiship missile with an active radar homing head (ARHH) is designed to destroy ships of different types including the destroyers, proceeding both alone and as a part of striking groups under any weather conditions, by day and night.
The Kh-31A missile can be used individually or in salvo.
ARHH ensures target acquisition and selection (at trajectory or before missile launch).

-Launch range:
>Minimum: 7.5 km
>Maximum: 70 km

Weight: 610 kg
Warhead weight: 94 kg
Speed: Mach 2.5 - Mach 3.0 (varies by source)

Anti-radar:
-2xKh-31P

Description:

The Kh-31P high-speed anti-radar missile with a passive radar homing head (PRHH) is designed to destroy the radars which are the parts of long- and medium-range air defense systems, as well as the other ground-based and shipboard radars of various applications.
PRHH ensures target search and acquisition while suspended from under the carrier in accordance with the carrier equipment data or independently, as well as target tracking and signal shaping for missile guidance.

-Launch range:
>Minimum: 15 km
>Maximum: 110 km

-Weight: 600 kg
-Warhead weight: 87 kg
-Max speed: Mach 2.5 - Mach 3.0 (varies by source)

Guided bombs:

-4xKAB-500Kr

Description:

The KAB-500Kr is designed to engage stationary ground/surface small-sized hardened targets, such as reinforced concrete shelters, runways, railway and highway bridges, military industrial installations, warships, and transport vessels.

The KAB-500-OD is designed to engage ground targets, such as fire emplacements, and manpower hidden in mountainous terrains.
The KAB-1500Kr is designed to engage various stationary ground/surface small-sized hardened targets, such as reinforced concrete shelters, military industrial installations, depots, and seaport terminals.
The KAB-500Kr, KAB-500-OD, KAB-1500Kr air bombs are fitted with TV/terrain-matching homing heads and various types of warheads. TV homers with target data processing correlation algorithm can “remember” target location and correct bomb’s flight trajectory until the impact on the target, thus realizing the “fire and forget” principle. Such homing heads can help defeat low-contrast and masked targets provided that terrain reference points and target coordinates related to them are available. The KAB-500Kr, KAB-500-OD, KAB-1500Kr corrected air bombs make part of weapon systems of such front-line aircraft types as Su-27, Su-30, Su-34, Su-24M, MiG-29, and others.

-Weight (kg): 520/380/100
-Drop altitude:
>Minimum: 0.5 km
>Maximum: 5 km

-Carrier speed:
>Minimum: 550 km/h
>Maximum: 1,100 km/h

-Root mean square deviation (estimated):
>Minimum: 4 m
>Maximum: 7 m

-Warhead type: Concrete-piercing (high-explosive penetrator)

-KAB-500L:

Description:

The KAB-500L is a 500 kg, Semi-Active Laser-guided bomb designed for the latest generation Russian-made aircraft. It is the Russian counterpart to proven Paveway bombs. Once released, the pilot or a third party must aim at the target with a laser designator in order to successfully direct the KAB bomb.

-Warhead weight: 380 kg
-Weight: 500 kg
-Max range: 17,000 m (55,774 ft)

Built-in cannon:
-30mm GSh-301 single barrel aircraft cannon.

The GSh-301 cannon is the world lightest 30mm cannon.
It is intended to arm fighters (MiG-29, Su-27, Su-30, Su-33, Su-35), frontline bombers (Su-34) and VTOL aircraft (YaK-41).

-Round type: AO-18
-Caliber: 30 mm
-Rounds/min: 1500-1800
-Muzzle velocity: 860 m/s
-Cannon weight: 50 kg

References:
http://www.migavia.ru/eng/production/?tid=1&id=20
http://www.deagel.com/Aircraft-Warners-and-Sensors/Zhuk-ME_a001457001.aspx
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-BVR-AAM.html#mozTocId611424
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/513/514/
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/511/371/
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/weapon/kh31.asp
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/518/519/
http://www.deagel.com/Bombs-and-Guidance-Kits/KAB-500L_a001035002.aspx
http://kbptula.ru/eng/str/cannons/gsh301.htm
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/84507-cost-buying-operating-fighters-its-effects-sales.html

Will post the rest later.

 

[rai_kamal]

Go for jas gripen and f-16 as they r good in terms of operational cost compared to the migs and sukhois..
As u havn't got any enemies , u can buy one plane from all the vendors and test them,and by that u'll be the first country in world operating fighters from russia,sweden and US...
It's just an idea don't get angry on me,,ok...

 

[kobiraaz]

Go for jas gripen and f-16 as they r good in terms of operational cost compared to the migs and sukhois..
As u havn't got any enemies , u can buy one plane from all the vendors and test them,and by that u'll be the first country in world operating fighters from russia,sweden and US...
It's just an idea don't get angry on me,,ok...

seems like you are encouraged by Avishek Bachhan getting ridiculous ideas....

 

[patna_ke_presley]

seems like you are encouraged by Avishek Bachhan getting ridiculous ideas....

Anyway, can you explain, for what purpose Bangladesh is buying these Aircrafts. Is it against Myanmar or against both Myanmar and India.

 

[TopCat]

Anyway, can you explain, for what purpose Bangladesh is buying these Aircrafts. Is it against Myanmar or against both Myanmar and India.

Anybody who wishes any misadventure in our land and bay....

 

[patna_ke_presley]

Anybody who wishes any misadventure in our land and bay....

My question how Bangladesh is going to use this, where they will deploy it. Like for India, it is mostly placed against Chinese or Pakistan border.

 

[TopCat]

My question how Bangladesh is going to use this, where they will deploy it. Like for India, it is mostly placed against Chinese or Pakistan border.

No our is a small country and deployment in existing bases are suffecient. Besides we already built a forward base in Coxs Bazar recently to secure the bay. Also a squdron will be always ready for maritime strike there.

 

[RockyX]

Anybody who wishes any misadventure in our land and bay....

For protection, You need quality Air defence system and SAM equipped with long range radar and surveillance aircraft.

For Myanmar, It's fine.

For India, Anything would be too less & too little. Still, BD has right to improve her defence. I agree on that.

 

[RockyX]

MiG-29 SMT
-SU-30 (likely the MKK variant)
-Jas 39 Gripen
-F-16 Fighting Falcon
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There is also option of Rafale, Typhoon, F-18 Super hornet- But that would be very very expensive, so out of question. Russia won't sell Su-30 & U.S. won't sell F-16 that is for sure.

Out of these 4 options, Only 2 possible. MIG29SMT & Jas 39 Gripen. Also, China might sell J-10, J-11b to BD which is par with MIG29SMT.

 

[kobiraaz]

My question how Bangladesh is going to use this, where they will deploy it. Like for India, it is mostly placed against Chinese or Pakistan border.

Coxbazar base to prevent any myanmar aggression.....

 

[RockyX]

What does it matter which location in BD ??

A fighter jets like Su-30 MKI, our MMRCA can cover 500 Km in few minutes. Even Mig29, Jas Gripen.

BD is small country, so wherever she operates, won't make difference. Single engine jet would be fine. In our case, we need 2 engine jets like MKI, Mirage M2k, MMRCA as it has to cover 5,000 km sometime due to our doctrine.

 

[blackops]

j10 would be the best in my views due to factors such as
a reliable partner
provision of soft loan
low cost jet

jas 39 would be a good choice too but it has a lot of us content in it would require there nod plus new infra would have to be made for it

thirdly the jf17 cost effective jet with the provision of loan

---------- Post added at 02:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:41 AM ----------

What does it matter which location in BD ??

A fighter jets like Su-30 MKI, our MMRCA can cover 500 Km in few minutes. Even Mig29, Jas Gripen.

BD is small country, so wherever she operates, won't make difference. Single engine jet would be fine. In our case, we need 2 engine jets like MKI, Mirage M2k, MMRCA as it has to cover 5,000 km sometime due to our doctrine.

miage is a single engine jet

 

[TopCat]

BD airforce already got two unsolicited offer for Mig-29 CMT and Lockhead F-16. They are also evaluating SU-30 and some poster said that BAF already requested for SU-30 probably the MKK variant to the prime minister.

Those who think Russia wont sell, they are wrong. They are selling whole lot of things to BD now a days.

---------- Post added at 09:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:46 PM ----------

j10 would be the best in my views due to factors such as
a reliable partner
provision of soft loan
low cost jet

jas 39 would be a good choice too but it has a lot of us content in it would require there nod plus new infra would have to be made for it

thirdly the jf17 cost effective jet with the provision of loan

---------- Post added at 02:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:41 AM ----------



miage is a single engine jet

None of the Chinese jets are immediately available. So BD has to look for other sources. The most likely winner would be SU-30 or Mig-29 becuase our existing infra support those Russian techs.

 

[UKBengali]

For protection, You need quality Air defence system and SAM equipped with long range radar and surveillance aircraft.

For Myanmar, It's fine.

For India, Anything would be too less & too little. Still, BD has right to improve her defence. I agree on that.

In the short-to-medium term, you are correct.

In the long term(out to 2030) BD will have conventional forces at least on a par with Pakistan

 

[Zabaniyah]

Next up - the F-16. Since they haven't stated exactly which block they are going for or that the US is willing to offer, we'll assume the Block 52.