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how many of you like this colour sceme of Rafale.
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Accchhhh Thhhooooo....Why the fetish with Japanese manga ? I prefer all black if there is color scheme..But in the end we will be seeing these fighters in Tipnis Grey..
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The usual Aid, Corruption, Clean Water , Sanitation....
Thought of replying back but WTH who gives a flying f*cK about what they say these days...
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Yes you said so, but that doesn't mean you reasons are correct, because the Mig (no matter if 29 SMT nor 35) was never a real choice.
Mig35 with AESA radar was as real choice for less than $50mil price, as their order for 45 Mig29k is now a reality for their new INS Vikramaditya and IAC-1. But the thing changed when IAF got ready to pay twice than Mig35 for the best available option for multi role operations, the best A2G operation that can not be expected from any other existing aircraft, and as the same aircraft is capable enough to deal with Su27/ J11, Su30K etc in air also, now we can see the result, the Rafale.............
the reason why I never hesitated to accept that if not Mig35 then it simply means IAF wants Rafale, If they can pay twice price for an aircraft to that of Mig35, and yes they can
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The tantrums of these big countries are beyond comprehension.
1. In came of American, there Ambassador resigned and LM and Boeing huff-puffed in the US Congress. They toned down soon after realizing that there are other contracts as well. There was a seminar recently at GWU where they were still asking why did India make a technical choice and not honor the strategic partnership with US. The Indian on the panel bombarded them that why did US offer a 1970s airframe, with very little ToT while the Europeans basically put ToT as an open ended call. Why judge this partnership on 1 deal given we've already bought equipment worth $8 billion. The Americans let go then.
2. The Brits are hurt. Something that will be more tragic is the invasion of Falkan Islands by Argentina. Very racist comments, similar to the high IQ members on this forum.
I didn't respond as well.Major technology transfers' in India fighter deal: Sarkozy
PARIS: President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Tuesday that a deal for French firm Dassault to sell Rafale fighter jets to India would include significant transfers of technology.
Hailing the deal, Sarkozy also said the French state would back Dassault in final talks on the details of the agreement.
"The negotiation of the contract will begin very soon with the full support of French authorities. It will include major transfers of technology guaranteed by the French state," he said.
"France welcomes the Indian government's decision to chose a French plane and to enter into exclusive negotiations with Dassault," Sarkozy said.
"This announcement comes following a competition that was at a very high level, was fair and transparent and which opposed two European finalists." He said the Rafale was chosen "thanks to the competitiveness of the global cost of the aircraft over its lifetime."
French and Indian officials said Tuesday that Dassault had beaten the Eurofighter consortium for the right to enter final exclusive talks with India on providing 126 Rafale fighter jets.
The estimated $12 billion (nine billion euro) contract, the first sale of the multi-role Rafales to a foreign buyer -- gave a much-needed boost to the Rafale programme.
Major technology transfers' in India fighter deal: Sarkozy - The Economic Times
PARIS: President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Tuesday that a deal for French firm Dassault to sell Rafale fighter jets to India would include significant transfers of technology.
Hailing the deal, Sarkozy also said the French state would back Dassault in final talks on the details of the agreement.
"The negotiation of the contract will begin very soon with the full support of French authorities. It will include major transfers of technology guaranteed by the French state," he said.
"France welcomes the Indian government's decision to chose a French plane and to enter into exclusive negotiations with Dassault," Sarkozy said.
"This announcement comes following a competition that was at a very high level, was fair and transparent and which opposed two European finalists." He said the Rafale was chosen "thanks to the competitiveness of the global cost of the aircraft over its lifetime."
French and Indian officials said Tuesday that Dassault had beaten the Eurofighter consortium for the right to enter final exclusive talks with India on providing 126 Rafale fighter jets.
The estimated $12 billion (nine billion euro) contract, the first sale of the multi-role Rafales to a foreign buyer -- gave a much-needed boost to the Rafale programme.
Major technology transfers' in India fighter deal: Sarkozy - The Economic Times
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Mig35 with AESA radar was as real choice for less than $50mil price, as their order for 45 Mig29k is now a reality for their new INS Vikramaditya and IAC-1. But the thing changed when IAF got ready to pay twice than Mig35 for the best available option for multi role operations, the best A2G operation that can not be expected from any other existing aircraft, Aad as the same aircraft is capable enough to deal with Su27/ J11, Su30K etc in air also, now we can see the result, Rafale.............
the reason why I never hesitated to accept that if not Mig35 then it simply means IAF wants Rafale.
$50 million a pop is just a estimate it is no guarantee and we all know with Russia and it's price increases once contracts have been signed.
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how many of you like this colour sceme of Rafale.
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If we have Lady Pilots !! give this color Scheme to them
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Now don’t talk about price increase, didn’t price of six French Scorpion submarines increased from $1.9bn to over $5bn right now, while still it is not in production line? And if Mig29k, a variant of Mig35/ Mig29VOT, is already being delivered and we expect 9 of them to be delivered this year only, the Mig29Ks which are signed for just $40mil each, then why worry too much?
I hope IAF may now go for 80 Mig35 for just around $4.5bn with loaded with missiles also, as per the latest news. as, if IN wants 40 Rafale for the price of $4bn for IAC-2 then its good. but if IAF will already have 126 Rafale with 51 Mirage2000-5 mk2 also, it isnt worth paying $8bn again for same type of 80 Rafale. 80 more Mig35 for just $4.5bn may form back boon for IAF with other 68 Mig29SMT which may be delivered from even 2013 onwards as production line of Mig29k is running right now
Dassault Chosen to Bid on $10 Billion Indian Military Contract
PARIS — India had selected Dassault Aviation of France as its preferred bidder in a $10 billion contest to supply its air force with a new fleet of advanced combat aircraft, the French government said Tuesday. Dassault edged out a European consortium for the coveted contract with one of the world’s biggest arms importers.
Dassault emerged as the lowest bidder in the final round, with its offer of 126 Rafale multi-role fighters undercutting a competing offer from Eurofighter, a consortium of European companies led by European Aeronautic Defense & Space, according to industry officials who asked not to be named because the bids were confidential.
The Indian Defense Ministry will now enter into exclusive talks with Dassault with an eye to finalizing an agreement later this year — although some analysts predicted Eurofighter might still return to New Delhi with a revised proposal.
Nonetheless, France's beleagured president, Nicolas Sarkozy, touted the news as a victory for French industry. Mr. Sarkozy, who faces an uphill battle for re-election in May, has pushed hard to secure contracts for French companies in India, particularly in strategic sectors such as aerospace and energy.
In a statement, Mr. Sarkozy said that Dassault’s bid would receive the “full support” of his government, adding that a deal would include “significant transfers of technology guaranteed by the French state.”
Under Indian rules, foreign defense manufacturers have to “offset,” or buy from local suppliers or joint-venture partners, components and services worth 30 percent of the total cost of its contract. According to the terms of Dassault’s bid, the first 18 aircraft will be built solely by the French manufacturer, with the rest to be built in partnership with an Indian company.
If signed, the contract with India would be Dassault’s first export sale for the Rafale, which has been in service with the French military for more than a decade.
If signed, the contract with India would be Dassault's first export sale for the Rafale, which has been in service with the French military for more than a decade.
''It would be a wonderful contract to win,'' said Alexandra Ashbourne, an aerospace and defense industry consultant in London. ''Until now, Rafale has sort of an embarassment for Dassault, kind of a white elephant.''
Analysts stressed that Dassault’s selection marked the beginning of what could still be an arduous negotiation process. Defense procurement has typically been a long, slow process in India and the country continues to use decades-old technology in many parts of its armed forces.
“This is by no means the end of the game,” said Howard Wheeldon, senior strategist at BGC Parners, a London brokerage. “This is only the beginning of the next stage of the competition.”
Eurofighter, meanwhile, made clear Tuesday that it was not ready to concede defeat.
“Based on the Indian government feedback, we will now carefully analyze and evaluate this situation together with our European partners and their respective governments,” said Theodor Benien, a spokesman for Cassidian, the EADS division responsible for the Eurofighter project.
The Indian authorities have said from the start that they would award the contract to the lowest-price bidder. In April, the country narrowed its choices to the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale, ruling out planes by the American manufacturers Boeing and Lockheed Martin and two other contenders from Russia and Sweden. That decision upset officials in Washington, who had expected that at least one of the American companies would make it to the final round.
India already uses French-built Mirage fighter jets, but this order is meant to replace an aging fleet of Russian-made jets. The deal was watched with great interest around the world because it is one of the largest single defense procurements ever. Also, it is seen as an indication of Indian preferences because the country is expected to spend $50 billion to $80 billion on defense equipment in the next five years.
Price has probably become even more of a concern for India since last year, because the government’s fiscal deficit is expected to be much bigger than earlier projected and the rupee fell sharply against the dollar and the euro at the end of last year, though it has recovered some of that lost ground in recent weeks.
Vikas Bajaj contributed reporting from Mumbai.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/business/global/dassault-chosen-to-bid-on-10-billion-indian-military-contract.html
PARIS — India had selected Dassault Aviation of France as its preferred bidder in a $10 billion contest to supply its air force with a new fleet of advanced combat aircraft, the French government said Tuesday. Dassault edged out a European consortium for the coveted contract with one of the world’s biggest arms importers.
Dassault emerged as the lowest bidder in the final round, with its offer of 126 Rafale multi-role fighters undercutting a competing offer from Eurofighter, a consortium of European companies led by European Aeronautic Defense & Space, according to industry officials who asked not to be named because the bids were confidential.
The Indian Defense Ministry will now enter into exclusive talks with Dassault with an eye to finalizing an agreement later this year — although some analysts predicted Eurofighter might still return to New Delhi with a revised proposal.
Nonetheless, France's beleagured president, Nicolas Sarkozy, touted the news as a victory for French industry. Mr. Sarkozy, who faces an uphill battle for re-election in May, has pushed hard to secure contracts for French companies in India, particularly in strategic sectors such as aerospace and energy.
In a statement, Mr. Sarkozy said that Dassault’s bid would receive the “full support” of his government, adding that a deal would include “significant transfers of technology guaranteed by the French state.”
Under Indian rules, foreign defense manufacturers have to “offset,” or buy from local suppliers or joint-venture partners, components and services worth 30 percent of the total cost of its contract. According to the terms of Dassault’s bid, the first 18 aircraft will be built solely by the French manufacturer, with the rest to be built in partnership with an Indian company.
If signed, the contract with India would be Dassault’s first export sale for the Rafale, which has been in service with the French military for more than a decade.
If signed, the contract with India would be Dassault's first export sale for the Rafale, which has been in service with the French military for more than a decade.
''It would be a wonderful contract to win,'' said Alexandra Ashbourne, an aerospace and defense industry consultant in London. ''Until now, Rafale has sort of an embarassment for Dassault, kind of a white elephant.''
Analysts stressed that Dassault’s selection marked the beginning of what could still be an arduous negotiation process. Defense procurement has typically been a long, slow process in India and the country continues to use decades-old technology in many parts of its armed forces.
“This is by no means the end of the game,” said Howard Wheeldon, senior strategist at BGC Parners, a London brokerage. “This is only the beginning of the next stage of the competition.”
Eurofighter, meanwhile, made clear Tuesday that it was not ready to concede defeat.
“Based on the Indian government feedback, we will now carefully analyze and evaluate this situation together with our European partners and their respective governments,” said Theodor Benien, a spokesman for Cassidian, the EADS division responsible for the Eurofighter project.
The Indian authorities have said from the start that they would award the contract to the lowest-price bidder. In April, the country narrowed its choices to the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale, ruling out planes by the American manufacturers Boeing and Lockheed Martin and two other contenders from Russia and Sweden. That decision upset officials in Washington, who had expected that at least one of the American companies would make it to the final round.
India already uses French-built Mirage fighter jets, but this order is meant to replace an aging fleet of Russian-made jets. The deal was watched with great interest around the world because it is one of the largest single defense procurements ever. Also, it is seen as an indication of Indian preferences because the country is expected to spend $50 billion to $80 billion on defense equipment in the next five years.
Price has probably become even more of a concern for India since last year, because the government’s fiscal deficit is expected to be much bigger than earlier projected and the rupee fell sharply against the dollar and the euro at the end of last year, though it has recovered some of that lost ground in recent weeks.
Vikas Bajaj contributed reporting from Mumbai.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/business/global/dassault-chosen-to-bid-on-10-billion-indian-military-contract.html
how many of you like this colour sceme of Rafale.
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give this to rahul gandhi , the only gay of India.. rahul betiya wil be very happy
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Congrates every indian and rafale suporters...speacially Spark,sancho..
MMRCA is final...
Now for the indian point of view next big one will be Agni 5....
MMRCA is final...
Now for the indian point of view next big one will be Agni 5....
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